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kat
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Date Posted: 10:13:52 06/11/01 Mon
In reply to:
Chuckie
's message, "Re: The Death Penalty – the most controversial of subjects" on 08:25:32 06/11/01 Mon
>What happened at Waco was a horrible disaster. Of
>course, no one points a finger at the insane man who
>set the whole thing in motion - David Koresh.
He was convinced that the state was going to kill him. Whatever gave him that idea? How off the mark!!!
>The thing that bothers me the most about people who
>say it's always the evil government's fault when this
>happens is they (conveniently?) forget about the law.
Ok re-read this sentence: "where women and children died as a result of government action." This happened.
No mention of "evil government" - that is your spin on my words. What is undeniable is that officers from the government criminally mishandled the situation to the point where innocent people (children) died. Has anyone been brought to account for their incompetence, their negligence?
>If a deputy of the law serves you with a warrent, is
>it your right as a citizen to tell that deputy to take
>a hike? "Get lost, cop. I don't have to go with you
>if I don't want to." -- like that?
No one is above the law... Unless you are paranoid and convinced that the state is going to kill you, at which point officers attacking your home with tanks and guns and explosives might convince you that you are about to die.
All I am saying is that it should have been better handled. The people who were in charge of the Waco operation handled it with the same sensitivity as taking a sledgehammer to a landmine. They were criminally irresponsible.
>I just don't agree that anarchy is a better choice.
Neither do I! I have not advocated anarchy in any of my posts.
>>Of course not. Although some of the agencies
>>responsible for Waco were based in that building.
>>Interestingly, very few of them turned up to work on
>>the day of the bombing. Nor did they warn their
>>fellow office workers that a very real threat to the
>>building existed.
>
>Mmmm. And I've heard the Easter Bunny was involved in
>Kennedy's assignation.
Yes, that's it - everything the government tells you is true IS true and anyone who thinks that it is comprised of self-serving, fallible politicians more concerned with the way things appear than the truth, is a wacky free-thinker not to be taken seriously.
Hmm... Ever heard of the Macarthy hearings... Watergate?
>These are regular people you're slandering - accusing
>them of collusion with murderers - not evil comic book
>creatures.
These are people who, en masse, did not turn up for work that day. I'm not slandering them, just stating a fact. I have accused them of nothing. But their are questions both about Waco and the Oklahoma bombing that have not been adequately answered. They are less likely to be addressed with Timothy McVeigh's death.
>I agree with you that there needs to be a better way
>to solve this problem. But I disagree with your use
>of the phrase "state murder". Murder is an
> illegal act of one person killing another.
Yes it is. I happen to think that the state does not have that right either. It just becomes murder by consensus and that does not make it right.
>Until y'all come over here and change our laws to suit
>you, it's still a legal execution we're talking about.
This debate has never been about criticising America, Americans or you, Chuckie. For me, debate is about trying to look at how to understand, learn about and improve the world we live in.
kat
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