You're right Pamela, the John/Stephan musings are a lot more fun than this. I'd like to see them together too but can't picture an honorable man like Stephan leaving his life and family behind whatever the temptation John certainly presents. On long term gay relationships. My husband has a couple of coworkers who have been together longer than Bob and I. They were the first gay long term couple I ever met and seem to be enjoying growing old together (25 years later). I had some acquaintances when we were showing our dog (surprising number of gay people in dog showing) who had also been couples forever. I think it is a myth that gays are promiscuous and don't want to enjoy long term relationships. If they were allowed to marry and it was as hard to break up as a heterosexual couple (mostly to do with property settlements during divorce and the legal entanglements of common law marriage) I think there would be a lot more long term gay couples. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 06:59:28 09/15/07 Sat
Author: Jane
Subject: You're right Pamela, the John/Stephan musings are a lot more fun than this. I'd like to see them together too but can't picture an honorable man like Stephan leaving his life and family behind whatever the temptation John certainly presents. On long term gay relationships. My husband has a couple of coworkers who have been together longer than Bob and I. They were the first gay long term couple I ever met and seem to be enjoying growing old together (25 years later). I had some acquaintances when we were showing our dog (surprising number of gay people in dog showing) who had also been couples forever. I think it is a myth that gays are promiscuous and don't want to enjoy long term relationships. If they were allowed to marry and it was as hard to break up as a heterosexual couple (mostly to do with property settlements during divorce and the legal entanglements of common law marriage) I think there would be a lot more long term gay couples.
In reply to: Jane 's message, "My copy of Hellfire is in the back of LJAPM it doesn't have page numbers, so I can't direct you to the pages with Everett. I'll do a little random quoting in the attempt to provide an overview of their relationship, of all the scenes with George and hope I don't get in too much trouble. First sighting "George Everett was looking well-very well indeed." then a little physical description especially of his long, mobile mouth "Grey's index finger twitched involuntarily, tracing the line of it in memory." Then later at the same party George greets him, says John is in good looks and that "exile agrees with you, it seems." That is the point where John thinks to himself that Everett's perfume's scent "conjured tumbled linens, and the touch of hard and knowing hands." I think there can be no doubt that they were intimate. Even when John turned from him "his heart beating faster" he was "conscious of Everett's eyes burning holes in his back." (more inside)" on 20:00:24 09/14/07 Fri

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I agree wholeheartedly! Was thinking about the relationship between the stereotype of promiscuity and the marriage prohibition for gay couples, too. As difficult as it is now, it would have been virtually impossible to have something long term in 18th-century public life, don't you think? Still, I was thinking if John and Stephan both ended up being widowers at some point far in the future.... *g* silly, I know, and of course it's hardly appropriate to be having that kind of thought about Stephan's poor wife! (NT) -- pamelalass, 10:44:56 09/15/07 Sat
- Well, since they are both imaginary, I don't think it horrible to wish Stephan's wife out of the way along with Isobel. If that were to happen he and John could be respectable widowers living together, both of them so heartsick over the loss of their wives that they never again seek female companionship. ;-) (NT) -- Jane, 16:46:11 09/15/07 Sat
  - She is spending the end of her pregnancy with her FORMER mother-in-law, which is slightly odd . . . (NT) -- CatherineM., 21:19:01 09/15/07 Sat
    - Oh, yes, that's a wonderful detail that slipped right by me (read the book way too fast!) -- a real potential plot thickener! (NT) -- pamelalass, 05:23:15 09/16/07 Sun
      - Wow Catherine! I missed that "former mother in law" too! Great catch. I've been putting off a re-read since my job is making me go to school at night after work. I wanted to give my first BOB re-read some time when I could devote my full attention, but it might be months before that is gonna happen. If I missed big stuff like this it means I should reread now. There is always time for a good thorough reread in the future. I guess I need to force my self to spend a little less time checking up on the boards...SIGH. (NT) -- Jane, 07:04:27 09/16/07 Sun
        Broch Talk is coming up, Jane - so don't back off just yet, or at least not too far off! (NT) -- CatherineM., 10:34:56 09/16/07 Sun
        You and Jesse's Broch Talks are absolutely irresistible! There is no way I could stay away when these brilliant ladies are all sharing their insights. I learn so much from everyone there and have SO MUCH FUN! (NT) -- Jane, 20:13:59 09/16/07 Sun

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