If you scroll down quite aways on this page you will find this question addressed. Someone said that Royals often hold more than one title and are just known by their most important. The example given is that Prince Charles is Prince of Wales but also Duke of Rothesay and Lord of the Ilses........who knew? I guess it was a message that Hal sent to others that he would not use his title of Duke until his Father's name was cleared. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 14:52:33 09/05/07 Wed
Author: CherylR
Subject: If you scroll down quite aways on this page you will find this question addressed. Someone said that Royals often hold more than one title and are just known by their most important. The example given is that Prince Charles is Prince of Wales but also Duke of Rothesay and Lord of the Ilses........who knew? I guess it was a message that Hal sent to others that he would not use his title of Duke until his Father's name was cleared.
In reply to: Susannah 's message, "I just started this book, and already I'm lost. What on earth is wrong with being "gracious"? Is there some meaning there that I just have never come across before?" on 09:28:47 09/05/07 Wed

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Thanks...but see my question above. Do you know why he would continue to use the title for an Earl, then? Why an Earl and not a Duke? (NT) -- Conmama, 06:12:41 09/06/07 Thu
- Because the top most title a man possesses is his own. So even if his father was also an earl, foremost he was a Duke, and the name the Duke of Pardloe is what has been tainted by the suicide. (NT) -- Oleander, 06:19:10 09/06/07 Thu
  - Ahh.....now I understand. Thanks. So, do you think there was friction between Hal and John because John wouldn't then just refer to himself as "honorable"? (NT) -- Conmama, 07:58:43 09/06/07 Thu
    - I don't know, really. Reading the second time, I made sure to pay careful attention. I think most people in their lives chalked it all up to equal amounts of stubborness. Knowing what Grey knew- that his father was murdered, it makes perfect sense that he would not accept his father's name as stained...oh going long--> -- Oleander, 09:36:46 09/06/07 Thu
      - On second though, as CherylR said, maybe Grey accepted this from Hal because he understood Hal's need to have their father's name cleared before he used the name, a sort of reclaiming? (NT) -- Oleander, 09:38:06 09/06/07 Thu
      - I think he *does* feel anger and resentment toward Hal, because Hal shoved him off to Aberdeen and would never talk about the whole affair. (NT) -- maddiej, 11:44:50 09/06/07 Thu
        agreed. But does he also resent Hal's stubborn refusal to keep his fathers name? (NT) -- Oleander, 13:39:44 09/06/07 Thu
        Yes, I think he thinks it's ridiculous...or at least that's the impression I came away with. (NT) -- Conmama, 05:34:00 09/07/07 Fri
        They seem to sort of mutually respect (and maybe even admire) each other's stubborness, even if they're mutually opposed. (NT) -- maddiej, 12:27:25 09/07/07 Fri

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