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• Meant to say "hi" to Oleander too! Lovely to find another friend to swoon over LJG with! (NT) -- pamelalass, 06:24:24 09/07/07 Fri
  • Hello Pamelalass! *waves* I don't know what it is but...ooh whatta man! I think Jane is onto something, the challenge would be fun. (NT) -- Oleander, 07:09:46 09/07/07 Fri
  
  

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• Hi Pamela. I think it could be that just taken as "a man", he's got so many swoon-worthy charateristics that we'd find in any hetero-man. Then there's this little iggly-sense (like Jane said), of the challenge. Even if you couldn't make them come over to the other side, maybe we could confuse them a bit? (NT) -- Conmama, 06:42:13 09/07/07 Fri
  • Yes, I see that. But Jamie's there to swoon over, so it is really quite remarkable how John manages to hold his own in such company! I also think it has something to do with the way he is able to be friends with women. In fact, his relationships with women are a really interesting area to explore, especially since his mother has that "honorary MacKenzie" quality (I loved that idea below - sorry I can't remember who said it!). He respects women, and I think he understands a lot about women. But he's not effeminate; it's not about sharing make-up tips and that kind of silliness. I love how we see him with Tom Byrd in this book, always very concerned about his clothes, but his look is very elegant, severe, and masculine. (NT) -- pamelalass, 06:56:36 09/07/07 Fri
    • I do love how he seems to respect, admire, and enjoy women as well. In Private Matter we see a bit of this when he talks about appreciating women's bodies aesthetically, if not sexually. (NT) -- Oleander, 07:12:29 09/07/07 Fri
    • I think you're on to something there, Pamela. I had to read your post a couple of times. I think when I really started having the flutters for LJ was during his interactions with Bree. She being a modern woman, with a modern woman's sensibilities, way of speaking forthright, educated, is basically...many of us. Lord John is taken with her intellectually and I think he finds her fascinating and refreshing. The way he embraces her is endearing to us, perhaps, because it seems that he would like us and find us fascinating, too. But...in all honesty...the proper manner of his speech is a big turn-on for me. (NT) -- Conmama, 08:09:51 09/07/07 Fri
      • LMAO! I am cracking up Conmama... (NT) -- Oleander, 08:42:04 09/07/07 Fri
        • Is that because I took the words right out of your mouth? LOL! (NT) -- Conmama, 08:46:58 09/07/07 Fri
          • LOL yes! (NT) -- Oleander, 10:08:13 09/07/07 Fri
      • LOL! As Bree says, "I like the way you talk." Yes, it was his time with Bree that put me over the edge too! It gave me as a reader a "place" to fit myself in relation to him -- it's a pretty seductive fantasy in its own right just to think about having a man of his wit, charm, strength, and beauty, focus his attention and affection on making you laugh, helping you figure out your "messy" life, and just generally making it his business to keep you company and let you keep him company! Pretty appealing even without sexual tension. And there are a couple of moments where their banter gets slightly racy - fun but "safe." He makes no deep emotional -- or sexual, obviously -- demands on her. He has decided to love her because she is Jamie's daughter, but then he comes to love her because she's wonderful in her own right. He is simply her friend, and he's a man to be reckoned with. As I said, I find this pretty seductive in spite of the lack of sexual desire between them. (NT) -- pamelalass, 08:54:41 09/07/07 Fri
        • If I had my way, there would be no such lack ;) LOL there is my attempt at bawdy humor. On a more serious note, I totally agree. I will have to go back to DOA and re read the section though, I am a little hazy on the details. (NT) -- Oleander, 10:11:31 09/07/07 Fri
        • Nicely said, Pamela. Maybe the seduction is in friendship with a male? I like men and the way their minds work. But it's really hard to be just friends with a man if there's any kind of sexual tension or attraction. I guess I disagree with Oleander, I like the lack. I can lust after Jamie and have a good friend in John. My life is complete. *g* (NT) -- Carol P, 12:53:15 09/07/07 Fri
          • Yes! Thank you, Carol, for summing it up so well -- I like being friends with men too, and I do find it really appealing when a man wants to be friends with me, thinks I'm funny or interesting, etc. And the kind of "faux-flirting" that goes on can be so much fun, without any of the baggage of sexual attraction, etc. Like Jane said below, I'm thrilled to see who's hanging out here on this lovely "lordly" board! (NT) -- pamelalass, 19:23:05 09/07/07 Fri
        • John's conversation with Bree on the abandoned race track in ABOSAA is classic Diana Gabaldon. Isn't this a great board? I don't imagine the folks who hate John will bother with it, glad you've joined us here Pamela! (NT) -- Jane, 17:22:35 09/07/07 Fri
          • I so agree, Jane! That kind of dialogue is just brilliant, and trademark DG writing. One of my favorite scenes too! You must be counting down to Capitola! *g* (NT) -- pamelalass, 19:35:59 09/07/07 Fri
            • Counting down to be sure..thankfully my friend Sarah, who's coming with me, is just as crazy as me, but doesn't visit the boards...sigh...wish you were here.... (NT) -- Jane, 20:06:21 09/07/07 Fri
            • I"m on my reread of ABOSSA right now...I can't wait now to get to that discussion! (NT) -- Conmama, 05:16:40 09/08/07 Sat