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Subject: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 18:28:21 08/23/07 Thu In another topic, we got off on a tangent that I thought would make an interesting topic ... Here's what I said: "Speaking of mannerisms, have any of you noticed his repeated use of what I've started calling the 'Newton Maneuver'? I suppose it's not all that uncommon (I've noticed Emlyn Williams doing the same thing in JI, for example), but Bob seems to do it so often, I've started noticing ... He'll be talking to someone he has a rapport with (e.g., Purity, or Maureen O'Hara in the cave, et al.) and kind of whack them gently in the upper arm with the back of his hand in a friendly sort of 'Hey, I have an idea!' gesture. If you watch closely, you'll see he does that over and over! It gives me a sense of the warm, charming person so many of his costars and friends describe him as." I was thinking it'd be fun to list as many instances as we can find of him doing this, so if you spot one, please list it here! (Please name the movie and the other actor or character he does it to, and describe the scene.) Thanks! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Eliabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:52:12 08/23/07 Thu I just got home from the store, I was about to post something about it, you beat me to the chase, I'll start looking right now! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:37:09 08/23/07 Thu BTW There's another mannerism that I've noticed that he does rather frequently. I think it's usually when he's amused about something. He will leave his head in one spot and roll his eyes to whoever/whatever has his attention and then he will turn his head that way. But he does the 'eye-roll' first. I know he does it in Obsession when Storm is talking on the phone. Then he does it again when Storm comes to his office and grabs the money out of his hand while she is announcing that she just got a letter from Bill (I guess I've seen this film too often too, huh?). Anyway, it's just something else to watch for and take notice. But we have to begin by counting the 'arm-whacks' first. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:38:46 08/24/07 Fri Hmm, the old eye-roll/head-turn maneuver, eh? That's one I've never noticed, but I'll look for it. Anyway, I just wanted to clarify ... you don't have to describe the scene in too much detail--just enough so that the rest of us can find it or remember where it was in the movie/show. OK, I'll go first with an easy one: In Jamaica Inn, when Jem and Mary are sitting together in the cave after their boat floats away ... Jem: "Trust me to land myself with a woman. On the other hand, of course, you did save my life." Mary [pouting]: "I hope you make better use of it in the future." Jem: "That's a tall order for a desperate character like me. ... A smuggler and a cutthroat I think you said ... Do you think there's any hope for me? [whack] Tell me, what ought I to do?" (Psst: I distinctly remember at least one scene where he does it to Purity, but I can't remember what episode it was in. Twenty points to anyone who finds it before I do!) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:55:03 08/29/07 Wed Ok, here goes: The LJS TV series in The Necklace: in the tavern when LJS returns from 'purchasing' the necklace for Purity. He says something like 'My fortunes have changed (whack-whack-whack)' and then he pulls out the necklace. That was a 'THREE' whacker right on her upper arm. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:45:40 08/24/07 Fri Gimme time! I'm at school from 6:00 AM to 4:00 pm!!! And besides you've seen more movies than I have. I think I know what you're talking about Sue. I've never seen Obsession but I think he does (It just sounded like it) it in Treasure Island when they'll all drunk on the ship and Long John comes in and knocks everything off the table with his crutch, then he gets elected as Captain. And he saids "Easy off a point on the rum...here that Agot?!" I think he does it there. And another time in Treasure Island is when they give him the black spot on a page out of the Bible and he says "Put it back in the good book, maty. Poor (something)(something) the likes of you needs every scrap of scripture he can get." and he looks at one of them beside him and does it. I'm not sure but I'm off for another 10 hour day! I'll check back during lunch or 4th period becuase in 4th I'm on a computer for 2 1/2 hours!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:31:43 08/26/07 Sun No rush, it's not like this topic is going to be deleted or anything! Just anytime you happen to spot the arm-whack, post it here. Now are those examples you cited of Sue's eye movement thing? I'm not noticing it (maybe I'm not sure what it is I'm looking for). I'll have to dig out "Obsession" again. (But now that I'm watching TI, I do have to mention another thing I love about him, and it's not a "feature" per se, but I just love the expressiveness of his whole face!) FYI "(something)(something)" is "roving seamen." And "Agot" is actually "Haggott." (He doesn't pronounce the "H.") [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:53:09 08/27/07 Mon Susan, The best eye-roll scene in Obsession is when Clive has the gun on Storm and Bill and he is sitting at his desk and Storm walks over to call her friend on the phone to ask if she saw them at the concert. Clive is sitting there, I think, looking at Bill and then kind of rolls his eyes up at Storm, of course with an amused look on his face, and then turns his head in her direction (I think I have it right). Anyway, it's something like that. The other one that I mentioned, in his office, is a little different because Storm is behind him and announces about getting a letter from Bill, while Clive is standing there with his wallet still in his hand and the other hand empty, where Storm just grabbed the money from him. He just rolls is eyes over to the side with a confused look on his face. It was a good shot and a typical RN expression. I know I've seen it in his other movies but can't remember exactly in which scene and which movie. But I'll pay more attention in the future. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:38:34 08/26/07 Sun I thought Agot was the guy's name, Haggott? what kind of a name is Haggott? I REALLY need subtitles! Yeah, I was thinking that's what Sue mean. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:59:32 08/28/07 Tue "I thought Agot was the guy's name, Haggott? what kind of a name is Haggott?" Um, I dunno, British? I just did a Google search, and it's a fairly common surname. I can't remember if it was used in the book, but it's in the end credits of the movie. Do you have the DVD of "Treasure Island"? Usually they have subtitles. Or you could turn on the closed-captioning on your TV. (Can't guarantee it's always accurate though!) Have you read the book "Treasure Island"? I think that would help give you a feel for the sailors' dialect they speak. And then just overlay that with Robert Newton's Cornish accent! There are lots of places where he doesn't pronounce his "h"s at the beginnings of words. Anyway, if there's anything you can't figure out, just ask! I'm sure one of us will understand what he's saying. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:15:27 08/30/07 Thu Yeah, I'll look for it on DVD, Amazon.com or something, i've seen it there. You know what Susan? I've been getting on here at school 4 or 5 times a day and it hasn't popped up as "Sexual Content" since. Actually it didn't say "Sexual CONTENT is filtered", it said "Sex is filtered", and I don't know what it found that has to do with that, but these copmuters are so sensitive it's annoying! I was doing a search on Gypsies to do a report on my background and where I came from and my parents are from Romania and there are Gypsies in Romania and it blocked me out. I said "Gypsy" not "Prostitute"! But it'll let me on now so, no worries! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:15:57 08/31/07 Fri Hey, Sue [whack], I found the scene in "Obsession" where Storm is on the phone, and I think I know what you mean now ... like his eyes move first, then he turns his head. Good sighting in "The Necklace." You know, we're 3 for 3 right now cuz I just watched "The Eviction" and "Ship o' the Dead" and he does it several times in both episodes. In the beginning of "The Eviction" when he and Jim are sitting together at the table with Jim doing his homework (arguing over how to spell "excellent"), he gives Jim about three whacks. In "Ship o' the Dead," he gives one to Jim about 11 minutes in and later bestows one upon Governor Strong. I'm starting to think it might be more of a challenge to find an episode of LJS where he *doesn't* treat somebody to a friendly whack! :-) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:04:02 08/31/07 Fri Yeah,Susan (whack) you caught the 'eye-roller' (and whack again). That's the movement that I'm talking about. Don't forget to also check out the scene in his office. It's actually kind of funny. Probably the only funny thing out of the whole film. Oh, except the last comment about a 'near miss'. And, I know I've seen it in some of his other films. Wow, I'll have to check out more of the LJS series. Ever since we have been in this discussion on the chatboard, I've been having a kind of 'yearning' to watch more of the LJS series. I try to watch maybe one a night. But I thought that he might do that 'whack' more often as LJS than any other character. It was probably natural for him to do it on his own but it also goes with the nature of the LJS character so the director, most likely, just let him 'do it'. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:01:56 08/31/07 Fri Now you guys are making me want to see Obsession, I've never seen it. It sounds really good! I found Devil's Stew of the LJS series on DVD so I'll watch for whacks! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:31:16 08/31/07 Fri Elizabeth, Let me know if you want a copy of Obsession and I can send you one. My DVD is able to be copied. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:36:32 08/31/07 Fri By the by, who started the "Hey whoever whack)" thing? who was the first to do that, was it Susan? Hey Susan (whack) great idea =~) Looks like we're finding more of our own arm whacks rather than Robert's! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:58:21 09/01/07 Sat Elizabeth, I guess I've just been paying such close attention to arm-whacks now, I'm picking up Bob's mannerisms! It can be like our special Robert Newton Fan Club Handshake or something. Know what I mean? [whack] ;-) And yeah, Sue, this has given me a good excuse to watch some episodes of the series again. Actually, I think we're 5 for 5 now; I spotted two more last night: In "Sword of Vengeance," he whacks Patch about 5 1/2 minutes in, just as they're about to board the "ghost" ship; he says, "An' if there be any treasure aboard, 'tis for dividin' equal. [whack] Patch, you an' Fenner come with me, we'll search the cabin. And look lively now." Then in "Turnabout," Jim gets a double arm-whack at about 8 1/2 minutes when he protests to "Captain" Leon, "I'd feed you slop!" And Leon gets a whack in the chest at about 18 1/2 minutes when Long John unties him from the mast and tells him he's to be the new cook. (And so far, I've also noticed that he always uses his right hand.) (This is almost too easy; looking for arm-whacks in the LJS series is like shooting fish in a barrel ... almost as easy as trying catch him saying "Arr" in "Blackbeard the Pirate"!) BTW, here's something else interesting I noticed in "Turnabout": it's one of the few episodes (if not the only one) that still has Captain Flint (the parrot)! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:45:18 09/01/07 Sat Susan & Elizabeth, you ladies are too much! Now you've got me looking for arm whacks, too! ;-) I was watching Oliver Twist last night and found something interesting. In the scene where Nancy finds Oliver out in the street on his way to return some books, Kay Walsh (Nancy) gives Bob an arm whack! I laughed out loud! Sikes: "What's this? He's been stealing again!" (Bill hits Oliver upside the head) Nancy: "Oh no, Bill!" (whack!!) Another interesting thing, Bob doesn't really do the arm whack thing in this picture. Rather, he seems to prefer elbow jabs. It's a more crude gesture, in keeping with Sikes' character, I suppose. In his fantastic entrance scene in Fagin's hideaway when he tries to get the Artful Dodger or Charlie to go to the police court, Sikes jabs each of them when he speaks to them. Also in the Three Cripples Tavern, he jabs Fagin after they plan the robbery. This is great fun! Can't wait to see Obsession...I'm gonna order a copy. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:54:30 09/02/07 Sun I noticed a whack in the LJS series 'The Pink Pearl'. He whacks Jim in the cabin when they are planning to go ashore. I guess it's at least halfway through the episode and it's a very light, I think it was, two whacks. And he does elbow quite a bit too. I saw some of it in 'The Eviction'(someone had mentioned him using the elbow tap too). So we have 'arm whacks' and 'elbow taps' to collect. I'll be looking for more. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:50:31 09/01/07 Sat That is funny Jenny! Robert's getting whacks from the ladies now, is he? As long as one of em doesn't whack him across the face I'm good. Aw! He had Capt. Flint!? I love that little bird, he's so cute. Who's parrot was he anyway? In real life, I know he was Long John's in the movie and the series, but who really owned him as a pet? Was his name even Capt. Flint? Was it even a "he"? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:43:01 09/03/07 Mon LOL, Jenny, yes, it's silly topic I know, but it's one of those things--once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere! Hmm, maybe it does depend on the type of character he's playing. Since Sikes is such a nasty person, the elbow jab makes more sense for that character--and it's funny that Nancy does it to *him* ... maybe Kay Walsh picked it up from him, having worked with him before in "This Happy Breed." But again, it's not a totally unique mannerism; I just noticed that he does it a *lot*! I also noticed him doing the elbow-jab thing a few times in LJS as well, but I haven't seen it consistently enough to think to make a note of it. Now I'll be keeping an eye out for that too. Hmm, here's a theory that could warrant more study (maybe one of us could use it for their doctoral thesis ;-)): Could it be that when he's playing a villain, he's more apt to use the elbow jab, and when he's playing a nice guy, he's more apt to use the arm whack? So with "The Pink Pearl," it looks like we're now 6 for 6, Sue ... and counting! I'll be surprised now if we find an LJS episode where he doesn't do it! Like Jenny, we should also try watching some non-pirate films and try to spot him doing it there; that could be more of a challenge, although I'm *sure* I've seen him do it elsewhere. I think it just has to be a role where he's feeling chummy with someone as opposed to the villain. I'll bet "Night Boat to Dublin" will have a few! And I have a vague recollection of him doing it a few times in "The Beachcomber" as well; Elizabeth, that one sounds like a job for you, if you're very feeling human today (and I don't beat you to it)! ;-) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings (S3 and Odd Man Out) Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:33:11 09/03/07 Mon I just spotted a few minor ones in "Soldiers Three" ... About 42 minutes into the movie, when Bob and Cyril are sitting outside eating together and Stewart Granger makes a snarky remark to them, then goes into the officers' tent, Bob says, "'Ere [whack], did you notice when Ackroyd was smellin', 'e looked like a skunk?" (To which Cyril responds, "When he was smellin', he smelt like a skunk.") Also, in the "moo"-ing scene, Bob gives Cyril a teeny little elbow jab. Then, at just about 1:00, after they return to camp with the guns, Stewart comes over to talk to Bob and Cyril, saying he might have some news for them (just before Sgt. Murphy goes by and comments, "Getting pretty friendly with the ranks these days"), and Bob gives Cyril a little left-handed whack. At about 1:11, Bob gives Cyril another little one when they're in the fortress playing cards (or, technically, counting to make sure they've got all of them back). Surprisingly, though, considering how chummy they are in the movie, those were the only ones I could find. (On the other hand, half the time they look like they're just too close together, practically snuggling with each other--aww--to get in any really classic whacks.) BTW, no arm whacks at all in "Odd Man Out," but I see what you mean about Lukey roughing up poor little Shel! I guess we have to stick with the light-hearted flicks if we're looking for those friendly mannerisms. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings (S3 and Odd Man Out) Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:48:16 09/04/07 Tue Remember that Shell got even with Lukey in the bar. Do you remember that scene??? He apparently gave Lukey a ,not so friendly, 'whack' in a non-mentionable part of the anatomy (I'm trying to keep this clean). It was 'poor Lukey' that time! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:59:30 09/03/07 Mon I watched The Beachcomber this morning, about 2:00 this morning. I'll have to watch it again today, I don't have anything going on for Labor Day and it's raining out so, I guess I know what I'll be doing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:08:00 09/04/07 Tue I watched the Beachcomber this weekend and I didn't see any arm whacks. I thought maybe he would give one to Donald Sinden but it wasn't to be. I guess it wouldn't have been 'proper' to whack Glynis Johns because she would have fainted, at least until she because smitten with him. 'Hmm, here's a theory that could warrant more study (maybe one of us could use it for their doctoral thesis ;-)): Could it be that when he's playing a villain, he's more apt to use the elbow jab, and when he's playing a nice guy, he's more apt to use the arm whack?' Susan, I would say that the 'whack' was more of a friendly gesture and that he would use it when he was playing a nice part. The elbow jab 'could' be more severe, depending on how hard it was done. So, yes, I would say that he probably would be more likely to use it as a villan. As Bill Sykes, he certainly was not being 'friendly'. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:36:42 09/04/07 Tue We've gone from Arm Whacks to Elbow Jabs, can we start counting kisses? =~D [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:23:19 09/04/07 Tue Wow, I'm really surprised there's not a single arm-whack in "The Beachcomber"! Oh well ... you know how it goes, maybe once we stop looking for them, we'll start noticing them again. There's no rush to find every last one of them, you know! :-) Hmm, I think kiss sightings would warrant a separate topic, wouldn't it? Just off the top of my head, I remember he has *two* kisses in the Beachcomber--one with his forsaken native girlfriend, and then lucky Glynis gets one. I think he kisses Tamara Desni in "The Squeaker" (a rare, full-on romantic type). I think there was a platonic kiss between him and his "non-romantic life partner"--that is, wife (Diana Wynyard) in "Tom Brown's School Days." I also think he kisses Elsa Lanchester on the cheek in "Baker of Barnbury." Seems to me Purity got a peck on the cheek at some point too ... But these are all from memory; I could be totally wrong. Any more? ("We're fond of company.") If so, feel free to start a new topic for "Kiss sightings." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kiss Sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:45:51 09/04/07 Tue Hatter's Castle. He gave Nancy a real nice one in the hallway of the Winton Arms. In fact, I have that on a screen cap. That kiss was really impressive, being that he was such a stinker in that film. You would think that the character of Brodie had no romance in him whatsoever given how foul tempered he was. :-D [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: user303 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:08:37 09/05/07 Wed Hey Susan (whack), perhaps "Wings & the Woman" might be worth looking at? I haven't watched it in a long time. Maybe I'll do that later today. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:39:42 09/05/07 Wed There's three in The Beachcomber, he kisses the native girl once when he goes home then another time when he lives on the boat then Glynis Johns. I wanna see the one in Hatters Castle, Sue G. can you send me a link? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:48:24 09/05/07 Wed Elizabeth, Do you mean that you want a copy of the screen cap? Or the movie? Because the movie would have to be copied. Let me know what you want. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:09:42 09/08/07 Sat Good memory, Sue. I think I just happen to have a screencap from that HC scene handy ... um, but I guess it would be more appropriate to post the address under Kiss Sightings. (It was really hard to get a good one because the scene is so shadowy.) "Remember that Shell got even with Lukey in the bar. Do you remember that scene??? He apparently gave Lukey a ,not so friendly, 'whack' in a non-mentionable part of the anatomy (I'm trying to keep this clean). It was 'poor Lukey' that time!)" You know, I don't think I ever caught that until my most recent viewing of the movie--dunno why that one in particular is so hard for me to follow!--but I definitely remember Lukey threatening to do the very same thing to Shel earlier when he's grabbing him by the throat. In fact, if you watch that scene really closely ... has anybody else noticed that his lips don't match up with the words you hear him saying to Shel? It looks like he made a "blooper" and they dubbed the correct line in afterwards. I'm dying to know what he really said! Anybody here good at lipreading?? (I wish my deaf friend who could lipread what all the coaches were saying on the sidelines during football games still lived around here!) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:17:47 09/08/07 Sat Susan (whack), (I definitely remember Lukey threatening to do the very same thing to Shel earlier when he's grabbing him by the throat.) Lukey's line was so funny, "...I'll hit you hard - where it hurts!" He got a dose of his own medicine later on, didn't he? That whole bar sequence was pretty intense. (In fact, if you watch that scene really closely ... has anybody else noticed that his lips don't match up with the words you hear him saying to Shel? It looks like he made a "blooper" and they dubbed the correct line in afterwards. I'm dying to know what he really said!) Thank you, Susan! I did indeed notice that. Oh it would be neat to know what he actually said! Too bad they didn't do blooper reels back then, hey? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:40:12 09/08/07 Sat "has anybody else noticed that his lips don't match up with the words you hear him saying to Shel?" OMG, I thought I was just blinking at the wrong time or something!!! I DID notice it but I thought that it was maybe just something wrong with my dvd or there was some kind of a 'burp' in the film. I wonder what he really said? He may have had 'one too many' that day of filming and used a 'not so acceptable' term for hitting Shell there. Wow, I'm going to have to look at that again. Susan, I'm glad to brought that up, I really just thought that it was the film. "That whole bar sequence was pretty intense." That bar scene was probably the highlight of the film, in my opinion anyway. It added a livelier tone to a very depressing film. That's our RN. He could always liven up a scene, couldn't he? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:17:53 09/08/07 Sat Sue G. I meant the screencap, I'd love the DVD too though! You can just post the link to the screencap, thanks. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:00:05 09/08/07 Sat "I wonder what he really said? He may have had 'one too many' that day of filming and used a 'not so acceptable' term for hitting Shell there. Wow, I'm going to have to look at that again. Susan, I'm glad to brought that up, I really just thought that it was the film." Or ... just possibly, Bob said the line correctly but they decided it was too explicit and they changed it later? Well, here I go firing up the DVD player again ... I just watched it several times, with and without the sound, and in slo-mo ... The exact line you hear him say that doesn't match up to his mouth movement is "I'll break your little neck." Now, I'm definitely no expert lipreader so this is just a guess, but it looks to me like he could be saying "I'll kick your ar$e." What do you think? (Whatever it is, it's very brief; it doesn't look to me like he's saying enough syllables for it to be longer than that.) Anyway, I'm glad to know I'm not the only person who noticed that! It's great having this little "support group" so we know we're not crazy, isn't it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:40:07 09/08/07 Sat IDK, i'll have to watch it, I'm pretty good at reading lips, that's usually how I can tell if someon is talking about me from a distance! I'll watch it though. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:48:27 09/09/07 Sun OMG SUSAN! you're right!!!!! That's EXCATLY what he said!!!! =~O LOLOLOL, I found it rather funny though. Although, I can't see our wellbreed English gentleman speaking like that. It's still funny though. I'm weird, I can find humor in almost anything. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:43:12 09/10/07 Mon You would probably be 'surprised' at what out wellbred English gentleman could say!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:58:44 09/10/07 Mon What?! no way! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:30:45 09/10/07 Mon Boy my typing is really getting bad. I'm finding typos in almost every email that I send now. Must be age creeping up on me!! The strange thing is that I usually proofread before I send something then I find the error after I send it! Oh well!!! Anyway, Elizabeth, do you really think that the man never cursed or used any kind of strong language?? I wouldn't think that he was human if he didn't! I'll bet that's what they did though, Susan. Probably changed their minds after the line had already been out and didn't want the retake because they thought that his face was turned enough to the side so no one would notice. Bunch of Eagle eyes, aren't we? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:43:24 09/10/07 Mon Well, I'm sure he didn't go all 50 years without saying anything like that, but... IDK, Maybe I'm the weird one, I'm just not used to really hearing it. I'm sure that if he was mad at something or someone he might have. And back in his time era, even that one famous line in Gone With The Wind was a shocker. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:12:59 09/10/07 Mon That's the problem, 'ar$e' was probably considered quite a strong word for that time, as was the ending of GWTW. Listening to some of the movies today, it seems almost as tame as the word 'the'. I guess they just didn't want any strong language in the film. Actually, the whole content of the film was strong, with the killing and betrayal. And I was surprised that Lukey was even allowed to mention 'where' he wanted to hit Shell. I thought that was rather strong for it's day. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:02:35 09/10/07 Mon Ha! Check out David Niven's book "Bring on the Empty Horses" if you *really* want to know what kind of colorful language his friend Bobbie was wont to use. I guess you've never read it, but he devotes a whole chapter to Robert Newton. (Not that all of it's 100% accurate--I have it on good authority that Niven was never one to let the truth get in the way of a good story--but I suspect he captured Bob's personality pretty well, and it's quite entertaining. But I'll warn you now, "our well-bred English gentleman" was no altarboy!) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:29:53 09/10/07 Mon "And I was surprised that Lukey was even allowed to mention 'where' he wanted to hit Shell." True, but he gave a pretty clear indication with his eye-gaze, didn't he? ;-) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:01:38 09/12/07 Wed Yeah, and it was 'quite' obvious where Shell whacked (and not our friendly arm-whack either--probably more like his foot!)Lukey too! There was no doubt there. Didn't Shell remind you a little of an older Ron Moody? Pretty agile, wasn't he? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:21:49 09/11/07 Tue I started reading David Niven's book, well actually I WAS skimming through to try to find what he said about Robert. I can't find it!!! What chapter? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Sue G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:09:56 09/11/07 Tue Try the chapter that says "Bobbie". [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:49:50 09/11/07 Tue O_O O, yeah, that might help. I haven't seen a copy of it in forever, I thought they were numbered, not titaled. *sigh* ok, I'll go try to track down another copy. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Jenny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:29:51 09/11/07 Tue I just ordered both of Niven's autobiographies: The Moon's a Balloon and Bring on the Empty Horses. Can't wait for them to arrive! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:44:55 09/11/07 Tue lucky, I've got to track it down from any library in the state of Florida. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:39:39 09/11/07 Tue I know what you mean, Elizabeth. We had copies of "The Moon's a Balloon" *and* "Bring on the Empty Horses" in the house when I was a kid, and I never realized there was a chapter on RN in the latter book because it didn't have an index at the back, whereas "Moon" did. It never occurred to me that Niven would have devoted a whole chapter to Robert Newton, so I never even looked at the table of contents ... plus I wasn't much of a reader back then. Still, you'd think my mom or my sister would have told me since they'd read both books! Maybe they didn't want me to know about his "bad-boy" side. (Best line: "Put it on my mother's charge account at Sears, Roebuck"!) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Arm-whack sightings Author: Elizabeth [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:49:23 09/12/07 Wed Ha, nothing like a bad boy to make a girl's heart beat faster! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]