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Subject: Arr, Blackbeard!


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Susan
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Date Posted: 23:08:39 01/11/06 Wed

Well, mateys, your many positive comments about the film have finally convinced me to give "Blackbeard the Pirate" a second chance. I even got to see the complete (I presume!) version on TCM this past Monday, and it makes more sense with those missing scenes restored. Since so many people seem to love this movie, I finally got around to adding a Blackbeard photo gallery. You can find it at www.mooncove.com/newton/blackbeard1952.htm. (If anybody knows what scene that first photo of RN and Linda Darnell is from so I can add a caption, I'd be mighty grateful. I went through the film several times trying to find any scene where he's wearing the coat but no hat and she's wearing that dress--one of many she wears in the film--but finally gave up. Maybe it's from the "director's cut"? ;-))

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[> Subject: PS: More memorable lines too!


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Susan
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Date Posted: 23:31:06 01/11/06 Wed

Forgot to mention, in the process of watching (and re-re-re-watching) the film, I found a few more memorable lines, which I added here: www.mooncove.com/newton/lines.htm#blackbeard. In fact, I almost got a pain in my innards laughing at the "Maynyard! I got a pain in my innards!" scene. Did anybody else find that as hilarious as I did? He's whining like a big baby about his stomach ache, yet he keeps munching on that leg-of-whatever. I love his expression when he finally makes the connection. Bobby was more of a comedian than I realized! (I swear, I must never have paid attention to that scene before!)

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[> [> Subject: Re: PS: More memorable lines too!


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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 08:06:29 01/12/06 Thu

I also found the 'Innards' scene hilarious (the belching and gnawing and crying). There was another scene (and Susan, I'm probably going to drive you nuts with this movie!) that makes me chuckle every time I see it. It is where 'Maynyard' and Edwina are down in the hole on the ship and Blackbeard calls down to them that he knows they are there and to come up on deck. 'Maynyard' then calls to BB 'why don't you come on down and get us?'. Of course 'Maynyard' has a gun and BB knows that so he 'convinces' one of the shipmates (who is so innocent???) to go on down to get them. When the poor guy starts down the steps then 'Maynyard' blasts away (of course you hear the guy tumble down the steps and make a thud at the bottom)while BB, still up on deck, moves aside and starts laughing. It's the laugh that really gets me. He just chuckles away while this poor guy was just laid to rest on the steps below deck.

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[> [> [> Subject: Delicious ham!


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Susan
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Date Posted: 02:51:28 01/13/06 Fri

No way you're going to drive me nuts with this movie--the process of making a web page about it has got me obsessed with it, so I appreciate the chance to get it out of my system. It's especially great to have someone to laugh at it with. (If only we could get the MST3K team to join the party.) The first time I saw it--as an adult--I was too appalled to think of it as a comedy; somehow I assumed it was meant to be taken seriously! I still think it was ... I just ran across the most absurd tagline for the movie of all: It shows that same artwork of RN clutching the half-dressed Linda Darnell in one arm and the string of pearls spilling from his other hand (when does *that* actually happen in the movie???) with a caption above it that reads, "Love captive of the savage wolves of the sea!" Huh???? I'd say there's a rather vast chasm between the filmmakers' (advertised) conception of the production and the actual result, wouldn't you? The most off-putting part at first was RN's non-stop "arrrrr"-ing. But even after getting used to that, I still can't get past all the bad, bad, *horrible* acting--most conspicuously from William Bendix, but he's hardly alone. (Help! Is there a director in the house?!) By comparison with everyone else in the film, Bobby's outrageous performance deserved an Oscar. (I have to admit, there were a few other good ones, but not enough to cancel out the bad ones.) And then, besides the ridiculous script (how many separate times does Maynard tell Edwina she'll have to take off her dress?), there was the complete absence of anything historical about Blackbeard; the only "history" in it pertains to Henry Morgan! Plus I absolutely hated the ending; evil as he is, Blackbeard's the most sympathetic character in the story. To see him done in by a handful of sand ... arr, it breaks my 'eart. OK, with all that off my--ha-harr--"chest" ...

Yes, wasn't that the dumbest scene? (Well, maybe not *the* dumbest, but it's up there!) He sends the guy down into the "hold," simultaneously telling Maynard to "blast away," and the idiot drone just goes along with it, like, "Duh, okay." No look of apprehension or anything when it's obvious he's about to be shot! (Gotta share Blackbeard's laugh there!) But on top of that, have you noticed that the "hold" on the ship is directly below the main deck and appears to be about three feet high? That's completely absurd given the size of the ship when you see it from a distance. As I point out on my list of historical complaints, a ship of three masts like that would have had at least two levels between the main deck and the hold, including the gun deck and the orlop (or "horlop") deck, where Blackbeard explicitly sends the Dutchman to sleep when Edwina comes aboard.

But the part of that scene that really gave me a cackle was Robert Newton's doubly intensified overacting when he starts with the "Here I come, I fear no man, blast away" bit. Just when you thought his hamming had already reached its peak, he takes it to a new level. (That really is a remarkable talent; I'm not being facetious!) But an even better scene in that respect, I thought, was when Worley catches him in his cabin trying to make off with the treasure, and Blackbeard melodramatically feigns taking offense to his insult. "Why, Ben, ye might as lief put a pistol to my gut [pretending not to notice that Ben already has] ... Ar, black is the day, 'eavy is my 'eart that I should live to see stout Ben Worley turn on old Ned Teach, what always trusted 'im like a brother. [pushes the pistol aside without looking at it] 'Eavy is my 'eart. Arrrr ... [sits down with an exaggerated sigh of dejection] It breaks my 'eart." I love it--if only he'd had a different actor to play off of there, like Alan Mowbray maybe, that scene could have been great! How many other actors could go that far over the top and still make you like the character? And speaking of pistols ... that's exactly who he reminds me of in that scene--Pistol making his histrionic grand entrance in Henry V! Is it my imagination, or does he use almost the exact same tone of voice?

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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 13:41:39 01/13/06 Fri

I know that I've said before that I regarded Blackbeard as 'almost' a comedy. However, I think that you are right that this was intended to be serious. I do believe that it was rated as a 'Drama', but perhaps because of the historical inaccuracies, they lightened-up. It also gave RN a chanceto 'play it up', which he was soooo good at.
I would never have caught all the ship design mess-ups. I know nothing about ships except maybe bow, stern, deck and mast. Oh and sails too. Hollywood certainly didn't do much homework in prepatation of this film, did they?

The scene on the poster advertising the film was never in the picture. Talk about 'suggestive' that poster certainly made the impression that there was more going on in the film than was ever shown!! It seems as though they could be suggestive in advertising but not (too much)in the films during that time. And about the pictures you put on the Website, the one you mentioned with BB in the cabin (no hat - blue coat)with Linda Darnell..I don't remember that in the film either. Another thing is bothering me about another picture in that gallery. The one where he is tying Linda D. on the deck...if that was the scene at the end of the picture, then in the movie BB was wearing a 'red' coat, not a blue one. In fact, that scene of him facing forward, holding a sword, and standing next to Linda D. is on the jacket of the DVD (and he is wearing RED). He didn't tie her out there on the deck in more than one scene, did he? I will take another look at the film to check.

Time to sign off. Have a wonderful weekend!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Red coats and ham!


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Susan
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Date Posted: 17:54:05 01/13/06 Fri

You're right--he is wearing a red coat in that scene. All the "color" photos in the gallery were, in fact, colorized, so ignore all colors. (For example, she never wears a yellow dress either; she's always in red. She's a fiery wench, you know! Little Robin Red Breast.) Also, not only is he wearing the coat without a hat and she the laced dress, but they are in his cabin. The only scenes I can find where he's inside his cabin with his coat on are at the end, and he is with Worley or a totally uncredited semi-major character named Izzard (or something like that).

Come to think of it, there were a *lot* of uncredited performances in that film! And of the credited ones, hardly any of the character names are mentioned during the film--yet another major annoyance. (For example, when is "Tom Whetstone" or "Pierre La Garde" ever addressed by name? Meantime, Gilly clearly calls Dick Wessel "Mr. Bullwinkel" when they're on the island, yet he's credited as "The Dutchman." Then again, the movie's credits never mention any character names at all and only about ten members of the cast, when at least twenty people have speaking parts. BTW, for the characters' names, I'm mostly going by the IMDb, though there are other sources that list the same names.) Of all the named characters, I *think* I've figured out who everybody is except the guy they repeatedly call "Jubel" (sp?), who's in the film quite a lot--yet no sign of that name in the credits ... unless it's a nickname for "Job Maggot." (I can't find a decent picture of Pat Flaherty--the actor--online to help identify him. Can anybody help?)

Yeah, talk about suggestive advertising--in fact, there was much ado made at the time about Linda Darnell's "strip tease" in the film. While for the girls, there's "50's hearttrob" Keith Andes' shirtless swordfight--that wasn't by accident, I'm sure. (Not my type, alas.) Did you laugh out loud like I did when he "killed" his opponent instantaneously with a downward slash to the deck that *might* have just barely grazed the guy's leg? And then Blackbeard complains "There goes our best cut-and-slash man"? It's a pretty sorry crew he has if his best cut-and-slash man was done in so easily by a "down-at-the-heels surgeon"! And then they just toss the body overboard with that silly nursery rhyme led by Worley in his absurd monotone--yet no mention of the deceased's name? (I *think*, by process of elimination, the actor was Sol Gorss, who was a popular stuntman at the time.) In real life, if he was of any importance at all in the crew, they'd have sewn him up in his hammock and given him a slightly more ceremonious funeral, commending his spirit *somewhere*--and punctuating it with a sorrowful "Arrr-men"! (I could just go on and on ...)

Yeah, I wish the movie had been more like it was advertised--with Bob as the romantic lead! :-) As I think (obsess) about it, I've been developing a hypothesis to explain it all. Tell me what you think: The movie was originally conceived to be about Henry Morgan, with a preliminary script already written (and some amount of research done). But once they started production, they found out they could get Robert Newton and, rather than cast him as Morgan, they got the bright idea to work Blackbeard into the plot. Well, how could you have the guy who had just redefined piracy in "Treasure Island" in your movie and not make him the star? So they reworked the script at the last minute, giving RN free reign to do whatever he wanted and making up the other details as they went along. Meanwhile, the ad campaign was started well before the movie was finished. What do you think?

BTW, I found a Blackbeard review last night at Lisa Jensen's pirate movie page that says pretty much the same thing I said (only better)--except, unfortunately, she wasn't as amused as we are by Mr. Newton: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.beaglebay.com/jensens_reviews.htm#[B]">http://www.beaglebay.com/jensens_reviews.htm#[B]</a>

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Lois
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Date Posted: 07:11:24 01/16/06 Mon

Hello,

I have been browsing through the Blackbeard section and would just like to say that the historical information is very interesting. Of course, Hollywood rarely acknowledges historical fact (like other filmmaking bodies) but it is enlightening to know something about the 'real' events or characters that appear in the film. It is clear that you know a lot about pirates and buckaneers, etc.

For me, the archetypal pirate was Errol Flynn as The Sea Hawk or Captain Blood and it would annoy me when my mother asked which historical figure he was supposed to be! No one - just Errol Flynn swashbuckling about! Of course, Blackbeard takes the name of a real pirate, and is nothing like the honourable swashbuckler that Flynn portrayed!

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Date Posted: 15:40:23 01/18/06 Wed

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the historical information. :-) Obviously, one of my major barriers to enjoying the movie is that I know too much about real pirates, and Blackbeard's is one of the better documented (and more interesting) tales; it's just crying out to be turned into a movie, and no one could have played him more perfectly than Robert Newton; the missed opportunity really irks me, and watching the movie they did make just reminds me! If (as Lisa Jensen points out) they had just left out the historical names and used fictional pirates like they did in "Captain Blood," I probably could have kept a more open mind and enjoyed it a lot more. But when they brazenly call it "Blackbeard the Pirate" (if you watcn closely, there's even a tiny disclaimer at the beginning of the opening credits touting the way it relied on historical facts, and the press book did the same) it's setting pirate fans up with certain expectations, making it almost impossible to tap into that all-important "willing suspension of disbelief." (Granted, though, that most of the literature I've read about Blackbeard was written *after* this picture was made, and the interest in researching it was perhaps spurred on by the film--but still, Defoe's version of the story has been readily available since the 1700s, and there were also official records they could checked!) I suppose not knowing BB's true history is part of the reason so many people did enjoy the film. I don't mean to go bursting everyone's bubble--just trying to convey my own reasons for giving it such an unusually bad review. (This helps me understand why Phil Leibfried, who authored an excellent biography on Rudyard Kipling, hated "Soldiers Three." Never having read the Rudyard Kipling version of "Soldiers Three" myself, I got a kick out of the movie. True, it's frothy and silly, but it's kind of fun--and way better than half the idiotic comedies they're making nowadays.) Of course, in "Blackbeard" there's that other insurmountable obstacle (for me) of William Bendix, who seems, as Ms. Jensen expressed it so perfectly, like he just wandered in out of a Three Stooges short!

So have I managed to drive *you* nuts yet with this movie? ;-)

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Lois
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Date Posted: 05:50:04 01/19/06 Thu


Like you say, a missed opportunity. I have seen a good Blackbeard film, black and white I believe, but I cannot remember anything more. Except that he did set fire to the ribbons in his beard as he swooped onto the decks of the ship whilst roaring. Probably another woefully inaccurate film, but I remember being entertained at the time...

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Date Posted: 08:46:22 01/19/06 Thu

Susan, your historical information is quite interesting reading. You have done a great amount of research. I agree, that had I known anything at all about Blackbeard, except that he was a pirate, that I also would have disliked the movie. Again, I think that you have to view (this movie, at least)as a part comedy (Blackbeard: I think I'm gonna catch me a rat! Worley: What for? You hungry?).
Something else that I have learned over the years is that reading a novel before viewing the movie almost always leads to a disappointment in the movie. For instance, I read 'Hatter's Castle' after I saw the movie. Had it been the other way around, I would never have liked the movie (However, I must say that I don't think that ANYONE could have played the part of James Brodie like Robert Newton). I could go on about books vs movies. I believe that the problem is usually about time limitations for the movie. But in the process of trying to fit the story into an approx 2 hr film, sometimes they change the whole story. Why, in 'Hatter's Castle', did they change the number of children he had? In the book he had 3 children and in the movie 2 children. The movie could have been much better had they left that alone and gone along with the storyline in the book. I think that the TV mini-series had the right idea. At least the story could be more thorough.

Susan: Again, please read 'Man About a Dog' if you get the chance. This was one exception about the movie vs the book. I thought 'Obsession' was actually better than the book. If you read the book you will see why I say that Clive is a saint in the movie compaired to Clive in the book (however, his evil thoughts were still there in the movie!! Bad boy!!).

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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 15:27:03 01/19/06 Thu

Let me clarify that comment I made about the TV mini-series. I was referring to the fact that the TV mini-series were longer and could devote more time to telling the whole and complete story. The way I had it worded in the previous message made it sound like there had been a mini-series on TV for 'Hatter's Castle' (there was none..that I know of).

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Susan the Longwinded
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Date Posted: 04:54:48 01/20/06 Fri

Wow, looks like I'm going to get part of my wish ... I just looked on the IMDb to see which movie it was you saw, Lois, and noticed that there are not one but *two* TV movies about Blackbeard currently in the works! There's virtually no information about the one that was supposed to come out in the UK last year (as of November, it was still in production, and there's no cast listed), but the miniseries slated to air in the US this June looks interesting ... It features Richard Chamberlain as Governor Eden, and they've cast a Scottish actor I don't know in the title role: Angus Macfayden. Anybody familiar with his work? The only performance of his I think I've seen is as Robert the Bruce in "Braveheart." (Unfortunately, I can't remember much about it; I saw the movie on TV and was only half paying attention, as usual, but I imagine charisma would be a prerequisite for that sort of role.) He also played Bob's pal Richard Burton in a Liz Taylor biopic! But I see a mistake already: Stacy Keach plays Captain "James" Hornigold (Teach's mentor); his first name should be Benjamin! (At least they got Maynyard's first name right.) I'm not sure about the director, Kevin Connor. He recently directed "In the Beginning," which, if I recall correctly, was dreadfully dull, in spite of a stellar cast. Then again, he also directed "Space: 1999" (a little schlocky, but I used to love it) and (going even farther back, to 1973) "From Beyond the Grave," in which he got a particularly impressive performance from David Warner. (Then again, in the hundreds of film and TV appearances he's made, I've very *rarely* seen David Warner give what I thought was a poor performance, no matter who the director or how awful the material! But I digress ...) Meantime, the writer is a former CNN correspondent. Hope that means he's done his homework! :-) (I know, I'd better not set my expectations too high!)

Anyway, Lois, do you remember the name of the good version of Blackbeard that you saw? The only other one listed on the IMDb with Blackbeard in the title is indeed in B&W, but it's a silent short from 1911. Could that be it?

Sue, that line you quoted ("What faw? Ya hungry?") is the one that made me groan the loudest! (That and "For a man, most like.") But then, I think it's all in the delivery. Maybe it's just me,but William Bendix seems just so unbelievably out of place with that Brooklyn accent and his dumb-as-a-post, monotone delivery, it just completely takes me out of the story every time he opens his mouth. (He sounds like too many stereotypically stoopid cartoon characters I could list.) Maybe if Gilly had been given that line, it would've sounded funnier. (In fact, Skelton Knaggs is a real hoot in the film. Guess I'm partial to actors who'd rather err on the side of overacting than underplaying when it comes to scurvy cutthroats!) But, IMO, there's just *no* chemistry whatsoever between Newton and Bendix--their approaches couldn't be more opposite, with Bob acting his heart out and Bendix reacting to him like he's in some kind of trance!

BTW, I have nothing against a Brooklyn accent--I'm half Brooklynese myself. It just sounds totally out of place in a pirate movie (as it would, say, in a Western ... or as a British accent would sound on the Sopranos)!

Yup, I agree with you about not reading the book before you see the movie. I could cite so many examples. Although, as I've mentioned before, Jamaica Inn is one of those rare exceptions. Have you read it? I know Ilsa and Lois preferred the movie, but I read the book after seeing the movie and totally fell in love with it, to the point where I completely forgot the movie version till I saw it again about twenty years later. (True, it's a romance, but it's a great suspenseful adventure story as well. And Daphne du Maurier will make you fall in love with Cornwall.)

I agree that the problem is books can convey so much detail that would just make the movie too long, unless you made it into a miniseries. Then again, look at the 1985 Jamaica Inn miniseries--it was much more faithful to the book, but it actually seemed a bit too long. (Then again, even that version changed a few things from the book. In fact, I think the additions, like Jem arriving at the inn in a cage (???) were actually what made it drag.) Then again, the scenery is so gorgeous, it's hard to be bored.

On the other hand, I've seriously thought for a while now (especially with the last film!) that the Harry Potter books should be made into a miniseries to do them justice instead of trying to tell an 800-page story in 2 1/2 hours ... but I digress again. At least they're making Blackbeard into a mini--wouldn't it be great if it had the production values of the Horatio Hornblower series?! :-)

I checked my local library for "Man About a Dog," but, alas, they don't have it. :-( I wonder if it's still in print. But in case I manage to find a copy, just warn me of one thing before I read it: Is there any animal cruelty--worse than what almost happens in the movie?

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Date Posted: 05:22:00 01/20/06 Fri

I said I completely forgot the film version of JI after reading the book, but actually there was one (and only one) part of the movie that always stuck with me: Harry the Pedlar--even though in all those years (until I started the RN site) it never even occurred to me to find out the actor's name. (In fact, I only found out it was Emlyn Williams by accident, when captioning a photo from the film--I'd never heard of him before, but since then have became a huge fan. I've even been tempted many times to make a fansite about him.) I guess he was so perfect in the role that I never saw him as an actor--only as the character! Watching it again now, I see his performance as just the right level of over-the-top--he had the intensity that Joss should have had but didn't because he was constantly in the Squire's shadow. (In the book, Joss was more menacing, while the *real* villain lurked in the shadows until the very end.) Anyway, I was surprised Ilsa and Lois didn't like Emlyn in it! (And I see by your review you weren't crazy about him in Hatter's Castle either. Neither was I, but for me it was because he played a complete jerk just a little too well, not because he was miscast. I take it he's not among your favorite actors?)

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Lois
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Date Posted: 10:01:47 01/24/06 Tue

Oh no no no! You misunderstand!

Ilsa and I LOVE Emlyn Williams!

In "Jamaica Inn" he dresssed as silly as everyone else - I mean he looks very camp doesn't he? - and he is hilarious! As for Hatter's Castle: he is a scream in the fast talking scenes where he mainupulates everyone - but he (again) is far too camp to be seducing anyone - and as for being an ex-lover of Nancy's! Ahem! Not really!

You should do a little page on him!

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Susan
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Date Posted: 01:52:22 01/25/06 Wed

Good to know you both love Emlyn Williams! He seemed to relish playing campy villains--which I guess I'm a sucker for, depending on the actor, of course. What did you think of his Caligula? I soooo wish they had finished that movie--he'd have been so good in it. In the documentary footage, I get such a kick out of the scene where he decides to fix up Charles Laughton and Merle Oberon, then goes into a fit of diabolical laughter. He's laughing so hard, he looks like he's going to bust a gut, till the director says cut, and he snaps immediately back out of character, looking completely staid and serious. Now that's acting!

There's already a nice page about him on the BBC website:
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/arts/emlyn_williams.shtml,">http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/arts/emlyn_williams.shtml,</a> but it's a little short on photos. I'd love to make a site about him, but maintaining the sites I have already takes up so much time, I don't know how I could keep up with another one. (BTW, would you believe this site started out as "just a little page," and look what became of it.) Besides, unlike the other actors I've made pages about, I dread having to write a bio on Emlyn Williams because there's just *too much* information about him to distill into a simple website! (He wrote two autobiographies and only got up to 1935--plus I have two other bios about him. The *only* thing I can't seem to find out about him is how he got along with Bob. Obviously, they worked well together, but I don't find any evidence that ever associated off the set, although Emlyn was mentor to Bob's friend Richard Burton, who was also good friends with Emlyn's son Brook.) One thing that would be nice to have though: a good forum to talk about his work! (I tried starting one on the IMDb, but didn't have much success there.)

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Lois
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Date Posted: 07:53:27 01/26/06 Thu

A new thread for EMLYN WILLIAMS

SUSAN WROTE:

Good to know you both love Emlyn Williams! He seemed to relish playing campy villains--which I guess I'm a sucker for, depending on the actor, of course. What did you think of his Caligula? I soooo wish they had finished that movie--he'd have been so good in it. In the documentary footage, I get such a kick out of the scene where he decides to fix up Charles Laughton and Merle Oberon, then goes into a fit of diabolical laughter. He's laughing so hard, he looks like he's going to bust a gut, till the director says cut, and he snaps immediately back out of character, looking completely staid and serious. Now that's acting!

There's already a nice page about him on the BBC website:
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/arts/emlyn_williams.shtml,">http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/arts/emlyn_williams.shtml,</a> but it's a little short on photos. I'd love to make a site about him, but maintaining the sites I have already takes up so much time, I don't know how I could keep up with another one. (BTW, would you believe this site started out as "just a little page," and look what became of it.) Besides, unlike the other actors I've made pages about, I dread having to write a bio on Emlyn Williams because there's just *too much* information about him to distill into a simple website! (He wrote two autobiographies and only got up to 1935--plus I have two other bios about him. The *only* thing I can't seem to find out about him is how he got along with Bob. Obviously, they worked well together, but I don't find any evidence that ever associated off the set, although Emlyn was mentor to Bob's friend Richard Burton, who was also good friends with Emlyn's son Brook.) One thing that would be nice to have though: a good forum to talk about his work! (I tried starting one on the IMDb, but didn't have much success there.)

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Date Posted: 08:07:56 01/26/06 Thu

Emlyn can be discussed on here! After all he is connected to Bob and anything connected to Bob is fair game for this forum.

I would love to have seen "I Claudius" completed - what a stunning film that would have been. Of course it would never have been a box office success and I guess Korda knew that and that's why he pulled the plug. A work of art, a magnificent piece of acting from Laughton and a cast of talented actors, but it was way ahead of its time - twenty years later and it would have been perfecting timing!

The film desperately needed von Sternberg and Laughton because it is their particular genius that makes the clips so beautiful. That lighting and composition and isn't Laughton simply perfect as the stuttering 'fool' who is nobody's fool!

Emlyn Williams as Caligula - ahh, how perfect. Perfect for that campy, over-the-top, evil meglomanic that was desperately trying to get out! Ha ha ha!

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Date Posted: 08:46:05 01/20/06 Fri

I also saw the two Blackbeard's in production out at the IMDb database. Isn't it ironic that Blackbeard had been the main topic on this Website now for several weeks and none of us knew about new movies in production? We all must have had a 'feeling' something was coming along (I still will always regard RN as Blackbeard, though!).
I have read Jamaica Inn but many years ago. I was a big fan of Daphne DuMaurier in HS & read many of her books. I must say that I cannot remember much of the book now, but this gives me an excuse to read it again. Actually, I did re-read a DuMaurier book last year, 'The House on the Strand', and it has renewed my interest in her books. One of her books that I have always liked, even better than JI, is 'Frenchman's Creek'. Have you ever read it? It's about a pirate!!! There was also a movie made in 1944 (I already looked in the IMDb database) starring Joan Fontaine and Auturo deCordova and apparently a remake for TV in 1998. I will have to re-read that book too.
I like Emlyn Williams in both JI and Hatter's Castle, but the characer he played in HC is a totally different one than the one in the book. The book's character was a much more sympathetic and likeable person (that's what I mean by changing the characters and the story from the book). However, Emlyn Williams was probably better as a 'dastardly villain' so they decided to change the script to make him more 'interesting'.
'Man About A Dog' is out of print so I had to get a used copy. Seeing the movie piqued my interest & I had to get the book (knowing that books are more detailed). But, to answer your question, yes, there is more animal (and human) abuse in the book than the movie. However, no details are described on how 'things' are done!! I've noticed the books from that generation don't go into 'gory' details but the thought is still there!
And I will leave you with that thought (just a little humor)!

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Date Posted: 12:05:11 01/20/06 Fri

BTW..... 'A Man About a Dog' was the title published in England. The book was apparently known as 'Over The Line' here in the states and it was written by Alec Coppel. So we have two movie titles: 'Obsession' and 'The Hidden Room' and two book titles: 'A Man About a Dog' and 'Over The Line'. How is that for confusion? Just in case you want to check to library again try for 'Over the Line'.

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Date Posted: 14:26:06 01/20/06 Fri

Alas, the only Alec Coppel items owned by our entire county library system are "The Gazebo: a play in two acts" and the movie "Vertigo," for which he wrote the screenplay. Wow, so many titles for that story--which one do you think is most appropriate? (Hmm, "Over the Line" is kind of interesting if you think about the story!)

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Date Posted: 09:23:41 01/24/06 Tue

'Over the Line' certainly fit in with both the book and the film. However, 'Man About a Dog' had a catch to it also because that was how the inspector was first introduced in the story (looking for Storm's dog). I wonder why they felt the need in many instances to change the title of a film from that of the book it was based on? And why films (and books) titles were changed from one country to another (Obsession in the UK, The Hidden Room in the US...Man About a Dog in the UK and Over the Line in the US..it can get confusing).
Some day we will have to start a discussion on this film. For instance,have you ever thought how in the world he kept a person chained up in a room (I guess it was a bomb shelter left from the war) for months and no one ever heard a thing. Clive had to have visited that place a couple of times a day to keep Bill fed. No one ever caught on to him 'slipping away' every day, including weekends, with food. Another thing, if Bill had used his head, he could have feigned illness to get Clive near him so he could overtake him.In fact, why he didn't get ill living in a damp basement for months (with no heat, from the looks of it), is a little puzzling.
And you're right, Susan, why didn't Clive just kill Storm? However,that would not make for as good a move as this was. I was never sure if Clive really loved Storm or he was just bent on revenge for her numerous affairs because he felt betrayed.
These are just some 'observations' about the film that I thought might spark up some conversation.
It is still one of my favorite RN films. And I think he looks 'good' in it!

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Date Posted: 21:15:22 02/06/06 Mon

Ahoy all,

According to "The RKO Story" a very interesting tid-bit about the history of this odball bit of ham and hokem is that the picture was prepared by horror film master Val Lewton as (presumably) a thriller to star non other than Boris Karloff as Blackbeard! If you look at the finished picture this idea has some sort of depraved logic actually. This is the most sadistic pirate film I can think off -- filled with beheadings and torture and violence unlike any other pirate picture of the era. The climax is really tasteless if you think about it. I mean what an awful way to die, burried to the neck in sand, having to watch the tide come and go and wondering which time it will do one and not the other... In fact a much later horror film, "Creepshow", ripped off the idea and it played exactly the same way.
I suspect that when RKO got the chance to hire Newton conventional pirate elements were brought in to satisfy his "Treasure Island" fans. So it was Henry Morgan, not Blackbeard that was grafted into the plot at the last minute.
I hate to admiit it, well, maybe not, but when I first saw this film, I was maybe 8 and found it, and Newton very scary indeed. Maybe if Boris Karloff had played the part I'd be posting on a "Frankenstein" site today.

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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 08:06:15 02/07/06 Tue

That's really interesting and it would cetainly explain why they did not attempt to follow the real history of Blackbeard. I could see why you would find Robert Newton scary in that film, expecially as a child. If I didn't like RN so much I would have found the movie totally gross. I had not seen the movie for many years and the one thing that I did remember from the film was his head sticking up from the sand and the water washing over it! That scene stuck in my mind all those years. It was a bit creepy! I didn't remember the humorous parts of the film (until seeing it recently). Just that one horrible ending!

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Date Posted: 16:37:13 02/08/06 Wed

Yeah, the “Blackbeard” violence level, and particularly that ending, was indeed pretty strong stuff. The 8–year old version of myself also thought it was scary that Blackbeard sleeps in the film with those wild eyes of his wide-open! Although when I saw the movie again years later I noticed that this feat was described but never actually seen --although Robert Newton’s eyes certainly do make the idea easy to visualize.
The real Blackbeard the pirate’s story was a bit of a horror tale itself come to think of it – what with his proclaimed “I’m the devil from hell” theatrics and his apparently refusing to die until he was practically hacked to pieces-- I especially enjoyed reading here that according to legend, after Blackbeard was beheaded, and his body cast over the side, his torso swam around the boat a few times in defiance. Boris Karloff and Val Lewton would have fit right into THAT film. I wonder what direction the 21st century Blackbeard movies are going to swim in

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Date Posted: 02:05:10 02/13/06 Mon

I heartily agree with both of you about the ending! (It's especially disturbing to see *Robert Newton* meet such a gruesome end. Although Boris Karloff met an even more grisly one in the Black Cat, didn't he? Though we only see it in shadow.) Thanks for the interesting trivia about its almost being a horror movie--makes a lot more sense now! Although I imagine the whole thing would've been different with Boris Karloff as the lead. But can you imagine William Bendix as Karloff's sidekick? Brings to mind certain Abbott & Costello movies!

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Date Posted: 19:09:05 02/13/06 Mon

Personally, I have always watched it as if it were mainly a comedy which is why I enjoy it so much. Given the many attempts at humor in the film you wonder what the director really felt about it-ie, did he mean it to be a comedy/adventure film?

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Date Posted: 11:47:12 02/01/06 Wed

The photo could be from a publicity still session done after the "wrap" where the original costumes were not available readily, so they found some others ?

Well, it's an idea !

Tim.

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Date Posted: 21:36:44 02/01/06 Wed

Thanks, Tim. I have the same impression--or that perhaps it was from a scene that ended up on the editing-room floor. But if somebody can actually find it in the movie, maybe I should offer a reward or something!

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Date Posted: 17:51:47 02/08/06 Wed

Wow!! I love the new addition of the Blackbeard the Pirate section! The pictures and information regarding the film are excellent! Thanks for providing a great service to us Robert Newton fans. BRAVO!!

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Date Posted: 19:03:43 02/13/06 Mon

I just watched Blackbeard again myself. It seems to me that the critics attack it for 2 reasons: (1)It isn't historically accurate and (2)Newton is too much of a ham. As for point #2 it's his over the top performance that makes it so great. Furthermore, who cares if it was historically accurate or not. The fact is it's entertaining and that is all that matters. Perhaps one day someone will make a historically accurate film on Blackbeard though of course whoever plays him better not use any Arrghs and other mannerisms that Newton was so great at. Newton's pirate is the quintessential pirate and no one can even come remotely close to playing it the way he did.
As I was watching the movie again, I thought back to the first time I saw it when I was a kid in the early 1970s and it appeared on a Saturday afternoon matinee time slot. The one thing I always remembered about it was the way Blackbeard dies in the end. I have heard many people say the same. I don't think I can recall any other movie where someone dies like that.

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Date Posted: 16:14:48 02/14/06 Tue

Hi Dan,

I agree with your statement, "The one thing I always remembered about it was the way Blackbeard dies in the end. I have heard many people say the same. I don't think I can recall any other movie where someone dies like that."

The first time I saw Blackbeard the Pirate (many years ago), that scene really "spooked" me. I've always had a fear of drowning, so you can imagine why it got to me. However, the more I watch the movie, the more I'm getting use to it, so it doesn't bother me quite as bad.

Enjoyed your comments!

Your friend,
Trisha :)

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Date Posted: 20:45:58 02/26/06 Sun

I agree with Dan and Trisha. Blackbeard is very entertaining which is really what is most important. I also remember that way he dies in the end when I watched it originally as a kid. Dan, you mentioned that someday they may make a more historically accurate film on Blackbeard and lo and behold National Geographic has been promoting such a film (at least it sounds like a film rather than a documentary)on Blackbeard which will come out in March. I can't remeber if they said March 12 or the 17th but keep an eye out for it.

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Date Posted: 19:24:45 02/27/06 Mon

Thanks so much, Michael, for that bit of info! Awesome! You're right, it is a film--I've just found the official page for it on the National Geographic website:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/blackbeard/">http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/blackbeard/</a>

I can't wait to see it--sounds like exactly what I've been hankering for! Hope James Purefoy can do the role justice. It says he played Marc Antony in the recent HBO series "Rome," but I haven't seen it. (I did try watching a couple of episodes but just couldn't get into it. Did anybody else catch it?) Otherwise, I'm unfamiliar with his work.

Just to be clear, I don't mean to put down anybody who enjoyed the film! But I am curious whether you became a fan of Robert Newton before (or after) seeing it and whether you already knew the story of Blackbeard. (Be sure to vote in the poll!)

Like I said, I can relate to author Phil Leibfried who seemed equally appalled by both Blackbeard the Pirate and Soldiers Three (originally, even more misleadingly titled "Rudyard Kipling's Soldiers Three"). Being a Rudyard Kipling afficionado, he was understandably disappointed by the film version, which, except for the names of the characters, had almost nothing to do with Kipling's original story. To him I can imagine the movie was tantamount to blasphemy. On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie since I've read very little Kipling and, having no expectations beforehand, saw it as just a fun comedy with a reasonably coherent (if silly) storyline. This is how I imagine most of you probably view "Blackbeard the Pirate."

I first saw Blackbeard in the late 1970s or early 1980s and, frankly, at the time, I found it pretty innocuous--the only part of it that really stuck with me was Noll the kooky beachcomber impersonating Bob, with his memorable intonations of "Gather unto me" and "I am the King of Spain!" And then there was the grisly ending, of course! I didn't see it again until after creating this website, having done quite a bit of research on Robert Newton and having seen a number of his films and performances which were of far superior quality (depending how you define quality, of course!) to Blackbeard. I had also, during the past thirty years or so since Robert Newton first captivated me in Treasure Island, done a considerable amount of research on pirates, and the real (and legendary) Blackbeard is among of my favorites. For a pirate, he was relatively humane, but what a character!

So after having immersed myself in so many of Newton's more subtle performances, like Obsession and the Desert Rats (even Jamaica Inn, in which he's so conventional, I hardly noticed him in it the first time around), then going back to watch Blackbeard again, my jaw practically dropped on the floor to see him give such a shockingly unrestrained performance. To paraphrase my friend Phil, it's as if the director were completely absent from the set, leaving the actors to run amok, doing whatever they wanted without regard to what anybody else's conception of the film--some completely underplaying their parts or seeming wooden, some seeming to have just stumbled in off the set of a Three Stooges short ;-), still others managing to turn in deftly humorous performances--while for his part, Robert Newton, ever the pioneer, was giving new meaning to the words "over the top." At first, I was actually embarrassed for him, hearing him throw the word "arr" into just about every line at *least* once, most of which were just lame set-ups to predictable jokes. It seemed to me like the cast was just making the whole movie up as they went along. Or if Raoul Walsh was actually giving any direction, I envision him doing it in the style of Ed Wood. (No matter what anybody does, he shouts gleefully, "That was great!")

Then, added to all that, were the glaring, nonstop inaccuracies. If I hadn't known a thing about Blackbeard (or Henry Morgan) before seeing it, I would probably have enjoyed the movie a lot more (or at least found it as innocuous as I did back circa 1980), but the plot is just so far removed from reality, I just couldn't suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy it. Not with all the other incongruities going on at the same time.

However ...

As I've said, the numerous comments (like yours) posted here and in the guestbook have convinced me that there is some merit to the film, if approached without all the expectations that I had. That's why I gave the film another chance and, now that I was better prepared for Bob's very enthusiastic demonstration of the "presentational style" of acting ;-), was able to enjoy it more--or at least enjoy his, er, "groundbreaking" performance, which, fortunately, dominates the film, making the flaws less obvious. Unfortunately, I can't just make myself forget everything I already know about pirates, and, in my opinion, the film is a dreadful mess. I don't mean to spoil (or put down) anybody else's enjoyment of the movie; I simply felt a need to set the record straight about Blackbeard for anybody who's interested in the character, as well as to defend my scathing review since, believe it or not, it pains me to have to post it. (I just can't bring myself to pretend I liked it more than I did! Although I have revised it several times trying to make it a little softer.) I hope the page I created with the photos doesn't seem harsh! I don't mean it to. It's just so hard to hold back my opinion.

So if I upped my final rating of the film to two stars, would it make anybody happier? Probably not, huh? (Not that a little controversy is a bad thing. I'm glad to see so much *friendly* discussion about the film!)

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Date Posted: 21:34:10 02/27/06 Mon

Finally got the trailer to load (it took forever over a 56K modem), and it looks like I may have few (crossed) bones to pick over this version too. It's a very short teaser (after all that waiting), but as soon as I saw them hoisting Calico Jack Rackham's jolly roger instead of Blackbeard's, I decided I'd better not get my hopes up. (But then, Blackbeard was a contemporary of Calico Jack, so maybe the two have an encounter in the film?? That would be interesting.) Also, from what I read, there is no historical record of Blackbeard's ever having had to fight, except in his final battle, yet the trailer touts lots of bloodshed. (Captain Charles Johnson's version of the story has him engaging in battle with just one ship, but that ship's log records no engagement with Blackbeard. Yet the film's tagline is "The Legend Is Real." Have they unearthed some new naval records?) OK, before anyone says it, I know--I'd better approach it as yet another work of fiction. At least it looks like they might have *tried* to get it right. The synopsis, by contrast, looks pretty accurate. Maybe the advertising is just hype. (At any rate, it'll be interesting to compare this version with the miniseries that's due out in June.)

BTW, this is that "2005" UK version I mentioned in a previous post that had such sparse information on the IMDb: us.imdb.com/title/tt0492448/ In fact, the data there is still so sparse, it's still listed as being in post-production. If it is, they'd better hurry up as it does air March 12 (8 p.m. Eastern).

James Purefoy was born and raised in Somerset, BTW, so I wonder if he'll be sporting the now-traditional West Country accent. :-)

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