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Subject: Your a liar


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Date Posted: 08/27/06 5:07pm
In reply to: Flow 's message, "The law is still the LAWWWW" on 08/27/06 1:27pm
 You have never been with some one dragging a net. You are a liar to say that there's some gillnetting moron out there that grabbed the fish as it came out of the net and dumped it right back in the river to be hauled right back up in the net again. You are a fuking idiot if your saying that doesn't happen. That's the truth of it. And where is this supposed cancer coming from and whose vessel were you supposedly on that immediatly released thier fish? And if they all have cancer, what difference does it make to you if we fish them all and why don't you go after whatever gave them the cancer instead of shitting on people trying to make a living instead of the people preventing us from doing it? How do you know whether or not I know the guy. Do you know him? Is that why your writing on his defense? WTF I don't know him?

The "law" that were fighting is the terminology. It says fish must be immediately released when the fisherman has the opportunity to do so and its safe to do so. Cenci's agents have the discrecion to decide if the fisherman has had the opportunity to do so. They are deciding that the fisherman is going to do something illegal (such as sell an illegal fish) before that has happened. Where else is such a thing allowed? Fining someone for a supposed "thought" of maybe breaking the law?

This is what YOU don't understand. A fishing vessel is the only privately owned place that a law enforcement agent can enter without a warrant or even suspesion. They can board a vessel without probable cause look around and leave. They don't even have to say what their looking for. They are imagining that a fisherman is going to do something illegal with his fish even before he has indicated that he is going to do so. In the past twenty years that WDFW has been on the job looking for fishing violations/poachers spending millions of taxpayers dollars you know how many convictions resulting in jail time they have? Less than one dozen. You know how much they net in fishing violations from Columbia river fisherman? Less than $10,000/year and thats at $300 to $1000 per pop for things such as (gods honest truth) not having corks red enough (a $300 fine), having a busted light ($300 fine), not having a live box running (even when there wasn't any fish in the boat $500 fine). As many as 10 agents on the water for 12 hours in three boats to write one $300 ticket sometimes thats how honest your local gillnetters are.

That's why these agents HAVE to randomly board one or two of the gillnetters boats to raid. They HAVE to find some reason to justify their jobs or they are going to loose their budgets. They aren't like staters with patrol cars in the public eye on the freeways. These guys have boats and equipment they can play with all day long with little supervision and they will loose them if they don't start showing that they actually do something with them. The fact of the matter is that Clatsop, Pacific and Wahkiakum counties have good fisherman and what these agents are doing has nothing to do with keeping us honest they just impede us doing our jobs. The big owners with many vessels as well as the cannaries that own fleets do you think what the agents do harms them or threatens them or makes them fish safer or more honest? Hell no.

Don't you think if the agents really wanted to catch fishermen selling illegal fish they would wait for that action to happen (like where the buying takes place at the canaries and processors)? But then they wouldn't get the fun equipment just plain old cars and clip boards.

What they do instead is violate basic liberty. That's like giving you a fine in a store for shoplifting because your basket was full and so you carried something around in your hand instead of switching to a shopping cart. You MIGHT have slipped it into your pocket and then you MIGHT have walked out of the store without paying for it. Or you MIGHT have paid for it! At what point do you deserve the fine? The letter of the law says if you "take it without paying for it" the interpretation is in what is take? When it enters your possesion? Does that mean your pocket? Your purse? When you leave the store? If the store's security job depended on apprehending shoplifters and/or increasing revenue -not just preventing crime- don't you think that the intrepretation of shoplifting might change from when you left the store (or passed through the checkout line) to whenever the product looked like it might be entering your pocket or purse? Hell yeah!

And so it is with this group of agents. They board boats randomly and if your boarded you might as well bend over cause your gonna get screwed. Anger management? Thats what these boards are for. I don't see anyone huggin anyone here.
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