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Subject: been well known to be still swimable 24 hours later

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Date Posted: 09/14/06 2:41pm
In reply to: Villiage idiot 's message, "Sturgeon out of water" on 09/14/06 10:32am

if the gills aren't torn and if they aren't crushed. they are extremely hardy.

it is no biggy that the industry is being watched. any industry needs to be watched. what is aggravated is when it is watched by idiots who have no clue as to what constitutes a violation.

fish tickets are a way to collect data so that we know where the fish are being caught, how many are coming out of the river and so forth. yet, you wouldn't believe the way they are used to jam up a fisheman if the agent is pissed off at you. if a fishing family has two boats and they both go out, come in and sell their fish and are writing out tickets who cares what fish came in on what boat? well the agent does. he watches the fish come off one boat and then sees the kid write out the ticket for the fish. half of the time the ticket isn't all of the way filled out because the vital info is just there but then the agent comes up and says hey, this isn't filled out all of the way. the fisherman sighs and says okay here, and finishes filling it in putting down either one of the boats because it just doesn't matter which one. BOOM the agent issues a ticket for a violation of providing false information because he saw that fish come off of the other boat. the fisherman is baffled because he doesn't even know how the agent can say which fish came off of which boat but if it goes to court at the very least the fisherman has to pay court costs plus his own attorney fees so he pays the violation. then if he ever does go to court because he is tired of all of the petty crap the prosecution pulls out all of the prior violations to show that the fisherman is supposedly what Burke would call a "pirate"!

This industry needs an agency that is comprised of fisherman to oversee it. Construction workers have engineer inspectors overlooking their work who have to constantly take certification courses updating their knowledge of the construction world. Fish and wildlife agents, if they are going to be allowed to issue citations and board fishing vessels, should have to undergo constant certification process as well. They should have to know the difference between the fish and how long they can survive out of the water in reality, not wht some book says. What does it look like to drag and area and throw sturgeon right back in to be caught in the net again. What does that do to a fish to have its gills damaged over and over being pulled out of the net again and agian? does it matter which vessel the fish came out of? is is worth a citation? why is the information gathered? is it to catch dishonest fisherman or is it to collect data? is it in any way related to saving our dwindling fish population?

i think if the agents better understood the fishermen's job they would/could do their job better. if the agents job is to find the "pirates" they wouldn't waste their time and the tax payers money with stupid violations that don't mean anything that don't save fish, don't make the river safer, don't make the industry more competitive and are wholly for data collection or as an outdated means of controlling a group of people to do what they are told to do.

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