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Subject: Re: Thomas Kuhn Author: Anthony [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 06:54:48 04/16/01 Mon In reply to: HDT 's message, "Thomas Kuhn" on 13:15:19 04/11/01 Wed Hey, you want another "symptom" of our dying Western paradigm that is so dependant on the Scientific Method, reason, logic, and lacking is spiritual focus (or rather a balance with the spirit)? The televangelists!!! People are so starved for spiritual nurishment in America that they turn to these con men in droves! I see the televangelist, the people that literally take up snakes and drink poison, and all other RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS as a violent backlash resulting from hundreds of years of dependance on the sensate and the lack of attention to spiritual concerns. That's my opinion. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Thomas Kuhn Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:09:56 04/16/01 Mon Hmmm. I like your opinion. But, ummm...what's wrong with taking up snakes and drinking poison? I think you're being a bit prejudice against us religious fundimentalists suckers. ;-) People are indeed starving. I think it might be because they want someone else to nourish them. They want to depend on some other spiritual icon to worship instead of looking into themselves and realizing the beauty that is there, that has always been there, that they need to continue to develop on their own. Like Nelson Mandela said in that snazzy little quote I posted. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Thomas Kuhn Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:37:45 04/16/01 Mon "Up on Housing Project Hill It's either fortune or fame You must pick up one or the other Though neither of them are to be what they claim If you're lookin' to get silly You better go back to from where you came" Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham v'Rachel Riva 1965 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Thomas Kuhn Author: icky-icky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:44:38 04/16/01 Mon Ummm, but Anthony, I have always beleived that that is how religion started. In a sense, it was a response to misunderstanding of the neatural world. Over time as scince started to explain more of what we did not understand, religion became the safety net to which we all would eventually fall (there are no athiests in foxholes right?). SO now we have movements, incomprehensible to us hwo people can really take them seriously, but maybe that is not the appropriate question. I mean are these people looking for a new found faith in the current paradigm, or do they want a new one. Afterall most people who are disenfranchised from a system only want inclusion, not necessarily revolution....... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Thomas Kuhn Author: Anthony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:34:44 04/16/01 Mon I agree to a point. Remember that myth was created to explain the unexplainable, and that myth and religion were often synonymous (but not necessarily always, I think). In my book and within my belief system, myth and religion are intertwined. I think they always have been to a certain degree. Anyway, I agree that religion serves as the "opiate", but I also believe in the spirit, so I guess I am biased. I agree. BUT...I believe that these modern times there is a certain desperation that was never felt before. But then again, I was never witness to any but this era in history. But I believe that there were always those who were charismatic, who were able to manipulate the willing, the desperate...but there is just something about what I see that makes me think that times are different now. I don't know. Call it instinct, call it whatever...I concede that I could be coming to the conclusion that best suits my worldview. In the end, I suppose there are many answers. The reason why there is intolerance and such is that people are often baffled by too many choices and eventually beg to be told that there is only one "true" way. God, I am rambling!!! Anyway, I think that these people, the ones seemingly so easily entranced by the televangelists, are looking for a "new and improved", more MIRACULOUS religious experience. Belief and faith are not enough, they need proof in the form of miracles to show them that God exists. I think that is definitly the fault of the overly-rational world view. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]