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Subject: New Day, New Topic(?)
Author: Anthony [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05:22:34 04/03/01 Tue Well, we had a pretty heated discussion going on in here yesterday. I started the whole thing by stating my outrage toward the activities of a militant religious group called the Army of God. The AOG's members believe that they, as (self-appointed) Soldiers of God, have been chosen to stop abortions via direct physical violence: the killing of abortion-performing doctors. The conversation that started jumped to abortion in general, then back again. As far as that topic is concerned, everyone is of course free to keep discussing that. I wanted to bring up another topic, however, just to keep things fresh. In the Rant section of the site, I put up an essay that discusses the proposed Bush tax cut, among other things. If you want to read that and come back and start a conversation, so be it. I welcome longer, more formal responses in essay form as well, and any such pieces will be posted along with the original essay. This same policy goes for any Past Rants in the rant section as well. Talk to you all later, ACS [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: New Day, New Topic(?) -- Choppy, 06:19:28 04/03/01 Tue

Subject: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged
Author: Anthony [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:24:14 04/02/01 Mon Speaking of religion, I saw a show last night on a militant anti-abortion group called the Army of God. They are a group responsible for the deaths of doctors that perform abortions. Don't they really know their precious scripture? I was raised on a lot of hard-core Baptist dogma (which I have thankfully been able to shake off, unlike some of the brainwashed bastards I saw last night on the idiot box) and if it was up to my old pastors, I would be out there killing in the name of God. But I realized that the Bible itself says that only God is supposed to judge us. Human beings are not supposed to do this, that is why the Bible says things like "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "let he who has no sin cast the first stone." Fanatics like the Army of God have been killing in the name of God forever. They are ignoring their own sin in killing other human beings and claiming to know the will of God. This is another reason why so many people are turing their backs on organized religion, specifically Christianity. I for one don't agree with things like partial birth abortion, but abortion concerning a pinhead-sized fetus is another thing. But these fundamentalists are truly deluded, in my opinion, and are just as if not more guilty of murder than the abortionists they hate so much. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Bisel Zen, 08:42:39 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Anthony, 08:48:57 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Bisel Zen, 10:46:48 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 08:56:09 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Anthony, 09:04:55 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 09:07:06 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 09:04:52 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Anthony, 09:08:24 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 09:16:06 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Floppy, 10:42:37 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 11:22:46 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- icky-icky, 11:03:08 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Floppy, 11:12:21 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- icky-icky, 11:28:54 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 11:34:25 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- icky-icky, 12:04:51 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Floppy, 11:50:37 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 12:02:19 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Floppy, 12:16:42 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 12:24:29 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Bisel Zen, 12:36:16 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Floppy, 12:50:50 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Bisel Zen, 12:56:08 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Floppy, 12:38:33 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 12:56:08 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel Ben, 13:00:32 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Bisel Zen, 13:09:15 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 13:12:15 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Floppy, 13:25:20 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Bisel Zen, 13:45:06 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 12:08:54 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Anthony, 12:06:24 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Zisel ben, 12:13:05 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Floppy, 12:23:45 04/02/01 Mon Zisel ben IS NOT DEREK -- Zisel ben, 12:32:08 04/02/01 Mon Re: Zisel ben IS NOT DEREK -- Derek, 12:37:19 04/02/01 Mon Re: Zisel ben IS NOT DEREK -- Zisel ben, 12:39:01 04/02/01 Mon Re: Zisel ben IS NOT DEREK -- derek, 13:43:25 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- Anthony, 12:34:42 04/02/01 Mon Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged -- icky-icky, 12:26:51 04/02/01 Mon

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Archives

Author:
Anthony
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Date Posted: 13:37:19 04/02/01 Mon

Okay, attention all! In order to keep the forum from being overwhelmed, I have stepped up the forum's archive controls. I didn't really expect ALL of the messages to be dumped into an archive all of a sudden, but then again there is a certain vagueness to the Voy message manager controls. You should be able to respond to archived threads, and they should appear here in the main forum. I don't think this will confuse anyone who comes here regularly, but then again, you never know. Things were just getting so damned slow in here! Sorry for the confusion or inconvenience. I have a T1 line at work, and MY access was slower than Congress! Keep on talking!

ACS

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Subject: The Ants Have Returned, I see...
Author: Zisel ben [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:07:10 04/02/01 Mon LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I DID NOT POST THE "ZISEL BEN" message that reads something about now being Floppy or whatever. Who the hell is trying to disrupt this Forum again? Who's being the coward and trying to cause problems? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Religion
Author: Bisel Zen [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:36:18 04/02/01 Mon so, what's the religiion today for you fucking idealistic hippies? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Religion -- Zisel ben, 07:54:14 04/02/01 Mon Re: Religion -- Bisel Zen, 08:21:47 04/02/01 Mon Re: Religion -- Zisel ben, 09:55:24 04/02/01 Mon Re: Religion -- Bisel Zen, 10:35:08 04/02/01 Mon

Subject: BUSH!

Author:
Anthony
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Date Posted: 10:01:58 04/02/01 Mon

Just wanted to let everyone know there is a new piece in the Rant section of the site. Thought I would point that out to any interested parties. It concerns the Bush tax cuts, among other things. I was hoping to get some responses on this subject, to be posted here or, if you are so inclined, you can write a response to be posted on the site in the Rant section.

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Subject: Hypocrite!
Author: Lil'ho [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:39:36 03/29/01 Thu Hypocrite! You say you welcome good ol' fashion conversation or debatin', but most of those posts were debating, they were people making conversation and expressing how they felt. I will say though that I thought the most interesting part of your pretentious, self-absorbed site was that it was working and getting people involved. And then you got all hypersensitive and took everything so personally. You can't handle free speech. You have all your preconcieved notions of what that should be. You need to look into yourself. I suppose though that you will not like what I am saying and remove this from your site as well. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Hypocrite! -- Anthony, 05:16:59 03/30/01 Fri Re: Hypocrite! -- Anthony, 05:23:21 03/30/01 Fri Re: Hypocrite! -- jibbi, 06:19:20 03/30/01 Fri Re: Hypocrite! -- Anthony, 06:22:47 03/30/01 Fri Re: Hypocrite! -- jibbi, 07:29:35 03/30/01 Fri Re: Hypocrite! -- Floppy, 08:30:50 04/02/01 Mon Re: Hypocrite! -- Anthony, 08:36:07 04/02/01 Mon Re: Hypocrite! -- Floppy, 08:46:31 04/02/01 Mon

Subject: Assassinate Bush!
Author: KILL! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06:02:49 03/30/01 Fri seriously. no, not really. but how rediculous is our whole election process? I have never understood the electoral college concept. why not just go by popular vote? and i read the gun control bit. i think the gun locks are bad for home defense. "hold on honey, i'll shoot the burgler after i get this damn child-proof lock off" gimme a break! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Assassinate Bush! -- jibbi, 06:17:47 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- Anthony, 06:27:40 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- jibbi, 07:05:15 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- Zisel ben, 07:05:30 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- jibbi, 07:14:21 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- Zisel ben, 07:27:49 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- jibbi, 11:10:22 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- jibbi, 07:17:41 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- kill, 08:16:30 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- Zisel ben, 08:32:15 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- kill, 08:42:56 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- jibbi, 11:11:52 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- Zisel ben, 08:48:02 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- ada, 08:59:14 03/30/01 Fri Re: Assassinate Bush! -- kill, 09:16:33 03/30/01 Fri

Subject: ANTHONY!
Author: Zisel ben [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:43:48 03/30/01 Fri Yo, can you repair my sloppy mistakes, like change the order of the responses because I wrote my last response on the wrong line; it was supposed to be AFTER the last comment by jibbi. No big deal if you can't. It just get's confusing. Sorry. MY BRAIN CAN'T HANDLE COMPLICATED FORUMS TODAY!!! Heh. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: ANTHONY! -- Anthony, 08:10:55 03/30/01 Fri

Subject: Idiot Wind
Author: Zisel ben [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:14:00 03/29/01 Thu Anthony, You are the webmaster. Embrace your position. This Lil'ho person is probably just part of previous army of ants coming to invade your picnic because they aren't equipped with enough intelligence to fashion their own food. Know what I mean? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Idiot Wind -- Da Man, 16:02:50 03/29/01 Thu Re: Idiot Wind -- Zisel ben, 06:10:04 03/30/01 Fri

Subject: Hello, Anthony...
Author: Zisel ben [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:56:12 03/27/01 Tue Hi. I returned your mail on friday and I haven't heard from you since and now I see that the mail I sent you on friday was returned to me; couldn't establish an SMTP connection or something like that. So I'll try again but I just wanted to let you know in case you don't receive that one either. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Welcome to the Paradigm Shifts Forum!
Author: Anthony [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:11:59 03/23/01 Fri Welcome to the Paradigm Shifts forum! This page has gone through some rapid changes in its short life. There was a rash of personal attacks on me recently. This acted as a wake-up call to me, making me more cautious of the Internet medium. I still regard the Internet as an amazing new means of human communication. But just like any other medium we have created, there are those that abuse the Web. As a result of these recent attacks, I feel obliged to lay down some rules for this forum. In my opinion, just like there are chat room rules that determine whether someone gets booted off, there need to be rules for forums. I despise censorship, but some people go too far under the cloak of free speech. These people use the First Amendment as an excuse to post profanity, pornography, and personal attacks. That, to me, is an abuse of free speech and frankly immature. It is a slap in the face of the good old fashioned tradition of friendly debate and argumentation. Therefore, I reserve the right to delete all posts that involve content that I deem innapropriate for this forum. I will not allow people to post personal information regarding another person. I will NEVER censor honest debate, heated though it may get. I will NEVER censor criticism of the site. But I WILL not tolerate people that are obviously trying to disrupt the forum, for the protection of the people that use the forum and for myself. Thanks to all of those who come here in the name of honest conversation. You don't know how much I appreciate it. ACS [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: Welcome to the Paradigm Shifts Forum! -- Zisel ben, 08:52:37 03/23/01 Fri

Subject: sounds of silence
Author: Zisel ben [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:59:20 03/16/01 Fri indignant towards silence Anthony, i don't "hear" anything as i am reading. reading your words, that is. i imagine hearing things, i imagine the tone of your voice, i interperate the conjectured sound of your energy into a sphere i can relate to but maybe what i hear in my head is not how you sound in reality, therefore how are you breaking the chain of silence by typing away at your keyboard and throwing the lettered print in front of me? silence is silence as long as you are silent. if your voice cannot be heard in the literal sense than every word you write down is still soundless and will not be heard until you speak them--Outloud. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Re: sounds of silence -- Anthony, 10:02:17 03/16/01 Fri Re: sounds of silence -- Zisel ben, 10:38:32 03/16/01 Fri Re: sounds of silence -- Anthony, 11:30:05 03/16/01 Fri Re: sounds of silence -- Zisel ben, 15:15:19 03/16/01 Fri Re: sounds of silence -- Anthony, 06:07:59 03/19/01 Mon Re: sounds of silence -- derek, 13:16:55 03/16/01 Fri Re: sounds of silence -- Zisel ben, 15:19:46 03/16/01 Fri Re: sounds of silence -- derek, 10:16:04 03/19/01 Mon cdaotggtoadc -- Zisel ben, 21:00:38 03/19/01 Mon Re: sounds of silence -- derek, 13:21:47 03/16/01 Fri Re: sounds of silence -- Snarf, 13:35:07 03/19/01 Mon Re: sounds of silence -- Anthony, 05:45:37 03/20/01 Tue Re: sounds of silence -- derek, 12:52:59 03/20/01 Tue Re: sounds of silence -- no one of consequence, 21:18:40 03/20/01 Tue Re: sounds of silence -- derek, 06:59:55 03/21/01 Wed Re: sounds of silence -- no one of consequence, 08:21:58 03/21/01 Wed Re: sounds of silence -- Anthony, 07:14:05 03/23/01 Fri

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