Create a New Forum Admin Login Member Login Contribute to Voyager Search VoyForums Help Desk VoyForums Exchange VoyForums Directory/Categories VoyForums Homepage VoyForums News FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions

[ Show ]

Support VoyForums

[ Shrink ]

VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, [4] ]

Subject: Re: sounds of silence Author: Zisel ben [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:38:32 03/16/01 Fri In reply to: Anthony 's message, "Re: sounds of silence" on 10:02:17 03/16/01 Fri okay so you're saying thoughts are synonymous with action is that correct? so if you "think" about eating, you're actually consuming nutrients and keeping your body in a healthy state? if you "think" about playing an instrument you will eventually build up the dexterity in your hands to become a virtuoso musician? if you think real hard about helping out people/humanity then those thoughts will reach these people and intercept the blows they are recieving? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

[> [> [> Subject: Re: sounds of silence Author: Anthony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:30:05 03/16/01 Fri No. You are thinking in terms of absolutes, and also ascribing rigid interpritation to my words. I didn't say that thought is synonymous with action. I said that people sometimes do not think about acting, or at least that is what I meant to say. It often does not seem to occur to people to act on things. People are told over and over that they cannot change the world, cannot affect the world at all by acting on their beliefs. This kind of pessimisim is rampant in our society especially. This pessimisim is often disguised with the phrase "I'm just being a realist." But I want people to refute that concept! Your actions may not shake the globe and change the world, but they will make an impact for change, however small. Look, I really don't even see the point of this conversation, frankly. But then again, you have made me view my thoughts from a different perspective. I am not into nitpicking about the interpritation of words. I thought it was understood that I, the author, know that words on page are technically silent unless read aloud by a human voice, but in this case I was being "poetic" by saying that I was using the written word over the Internet to break the silence of inactive minds. Making inactive minds active will hopefully spur people into action both mental and physical. Hopefully these thoughts and actions will cause people to become aware and make others aware that civilization is always in flux and we must embrace change. Otherwise, civilization stagnates. And I believe that silence of mind and voice and inactivity of mind and voice lead to stagnation. I hope this helps. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: sounds of silence Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:15:19 03/16/01 Fri I'm glad I made you view your thoughts from a different perspective, that was my only goal with this conversation and it seems I have accomplished it rather swiftly. "...using the written word over the Internet to break the silence of inactive minds..." in response to this though I would like to remind you that people who are reading this page or even just "surfing the net" ARE very obviously being "active" with their minds just by doing that---consuming information is an extremely intense activity, an active choice that they made, so if you are seriously concerned with influencing "inactive" people then maybe you should present your views in a place where the people are really not doing anything at all. A place where reading or moving or speaking in a forward thinking manner are concepts that are completely foreign to them. What I am trying to say is that it is all well and good that you have this page up for discussion among people but that the people who will frequent it are people who are curious, intelligent, self-motivated ones and they aren't the audience that "needs" your words of wisdom to inspire them (although I AM enjoying this conversation) so maybe you should skydive into a desolate third world country somewhere and descend upon the people there who are sitting around in front of their tin shacks with flys buzzing all over them, starving for a glimmer of hope and need direction from a "loud thinker" such as yourself. I hope this helps. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: sounds of silence Author: Anthony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:07:59 03/19/01 Mon Hey, Yes, this is a very interesting conversation. I agree that those of us of the "creative minority" (those of us aware of the need to embrace civilization's cyclical, changing nature instead of fearing it) to seek out the inactive minds of the world, or the ignorant or the unlearned. BUT, I think that this site is more than worth it to create, since I can reach others of a similar mindset and remind them that it is up to us, the thinkers, the creative, the active in mind and spirit, to go out and teach people that the world CAN be changed through the will of the people. We can tell them of the need to welcome change and to forget the stagnant ways of the past. Listen, I don't have the life path needed to plunk myself down in an intellectually-starving nation somewhere in the world and start teaching. BUT maybe my site or similar sites inspire others who will do things like join the Peace Corp and go to nations that need mental and physical nurturing. Who knows? I understand your point, and it is an interesting one, and I both agree and disagree with your point. You obviously have a good head on your shoulders. Please consider submitting something to the site, something concerning the world or whatever you want, and I will put it on the site. You obviously came here for a reason. Tell me how you found the site and what attracted you to it. Thanks again, and I hope to keep talking to you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]