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Subject: Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged Author: Floppy [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 12:38:33 04/02/01 Mon In reply to: Floppy 's message, "Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged" on 12:16:42 04/02/01 Mon "Sure, a noble man stands up and takes his medicine. But, many do not. So, all women should be aware of this, and I am sure that most are." How is this letting men off the hook at all? What the fuck are you even reading??? What I posted is a fact. There is no denying that fact. Many men skip out. I was in no way "letting men off the hook." I simply stated a fact. You are not disputing that fact. You are simply trying to twist it into something that you are capable of getting emotional over. I never said that men should not be held responsible. What I posted can not be argued over by anyone of intelligence. I guess you do not realize that. Since you claim to be a woman, how can you not realize that you have more of a vested interest in your pregnancy? What is oppressive towards women is the general feeling that men hold a huge amount of the blame. Part of taking responsiblity for one's body includes taking responsibility for one's pregnancy. It is swell if the man sticks around, but ultimately the woman is physically connected to the fetus. And, I never once said that both parties are not responsible. Everything I have stated is irrefutable. The fact that you, a "woman" of all people, are arguing with me over this is ludicrous, and I kindly ask you to check your rampant emotions at the door before you click "send." [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:56:08 04/02/01 Mon Bisel Zen or Floppy, I do believe YOU were the first person to resort to name calling by twisting around MY name and calling me a "fuckin idealistic hippie." Just wanted to get that straight. My emotions need to be checked at the door? Is that correct? Oh, I must be getting PMS, right? Yea everything I say is irrational...er..due to the fact that I am a woman that is "too emotional". And what's this about how "since Since you claim to be a woman, how can you not realize that you have more of a vested interest in your pregnancy? " Are you assuming that since I'm a woman I automatically have more vested interest in my pregnancy? That's sounds pretty idealistic if you ask me. Maybe I don't care what the hell grows insida' me. Go get rid of it. Gimmee more sex. Ahhhhahhah!!!! No, seriously. I'm getting sick of this debate. I am trying to keep an open mind but I don't think I am going to change mind on the fact that BOTH parties need to be EQUALLY responsible for a pregnancy occurring. From ejaculation until the ultimate death of the creation of that act. "Sure, a noble man stands up and takes his medicine. But, many do not. So, all women should be aware of this, and I am sure that most are." Being Aware is the first step to CHANGING the reality! Change is a beautiful thing. Let's change the fact that "most men skip out" which, incidently is the reason that so many women feel the need to have abortions... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged Author: Zisel Ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:00:32 04/02/01 Mon AHHH!!!!! I knew it would happen! I DID NOT POST THAT!!! THAT WAS FLOPPY!!!! DO NOT DIRECT IT TOWARDS ME!!!! Thanks..... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged Author: Bisel Zen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:09:15 04/02/01 Mon Whoops. That should have said "Bisel Zen" and NOT "Zisel Ben." I'm sure you all realize that, though. Sorry again. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged Author: Zisel ben [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:12:15 04/02/01 Mon Interesting slip... How could you "accidently" post with the wrong name? Why don't you do this: Go get your own name and don't make it a conjugation of mine. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged Author: Floppy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:25:20 04/02/01 Mon I was using the reasonable man distinction. Most women care if they become pregnant, one way or another. If you are a pregnant woman, and do not care one way or another, then that is beyond the realm of the reasonable. Reasonable man distinction. I neve eluded to you having PMS. You are getting overly emotional in this conversation. You are not making much sense in you arguments, and the points you are making are weak at best. You can be emotional if you want, but do not let it cloud your judgement fully. You have never tried to keep an open mind, since you obviously never truly took the time to understand what I have been saying. Both parties should be equally responsible, but if you know anything about biology, you would know that is impossible. Also... ----Let's change the fact that "most men skip out" which, incidently is the reason that so many women feel the need to have abortions...---- You have no way of knowing that "fact," making that an argument from ignorance. By definition, you have no way of winning that argument. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged Author: Bisel Zen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:45:06 04/02/01 Mon I never refered directly to you as a "fucking idealistic hippy." I was kidding around with everyone. You are touchy, though. Especially with this whole thing with Floppy. Though fun to read, Floppy really isn't writing anything that a reasonable person could argue with. Floppy was actually agreeing with you to a point, and you didn't even realize it. I figured you for a reasonable person. I'm believing more and more that you're Derek, also. You write, and flip out, exactly like he did. Just relax, read the posts over better, and realize when something is directed towards you specifically, and when something is directed towards the group. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]