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Date Posted: 00:11:34 07/10/07 Tue
Author: jo
Subject: it truly angered me that Frank made it about himself: it was HIS wife who got hit by HIS son so it was HE who had been injured. oh, and the story shouldn’t be on HIS record. His wife and kid are not his family but his property. I have a feeling that it hasn’t much to do with the crash but with who Frank really is (btw, isn’t the ep’s title “Who we are”?). He has a caveman mentality: thanking Jeremy for having been the man of the house & taken care of his mother… the way he said it made me believe he was convinced that Denise needed a man to take care of her. This is consistent with the way he disregards her opinions, he can’t truly love her as he doesn’t respect her (inside)
In reply to: Theresa 's message, "Even if he was trying to protect Denise from Jeremy he should have seen that it was hurting her worse to throw her son out into the cold without any place to go. She'd just gone from not knowing if he was dead or alive to fearing that Jeremy was also now in danger because he was essentially homeless. If Jeremy was still a threat to Denise, if he needed to be removed, then he should have been sent to a specific place where he could get some help and his parents knew where he was and that he was safe. When Frank said, "That's not the boy I raised." He was damned right. Denise raised him, and she was working it out with him. He can't be a part time parent and full time boss of the house. It doesn't work that way." on 15:36:55 07/09/07 Mon

the contrast with Michael Holden’s household is striking. Whereas Michael is also used to command and have people obey his orders (actually, he is a bigger boss than Frank and he has been in combat too), he treats CJ with respect not only with affection. He listens to her opinions, he truly considers her pov, and they discuss together the decisions concerning their daughters. She is his equal, where Denise is far from being Frank’s equal in their home. Denise isn’t supposed to have any opinions, she must take her orders from her husband and obey them without thinking. It has nothing to do with stress, which must have amplified Frank’s reaction but IMO didn’t prompt it. One doesn’t kick his kid out of the house like that. I would have expected a slap or something, not Frank saying his son is dead to him

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[> [> [> [> [> Wow jo, another Great Post. I agree wholeheartedly and once again you've said it all for me. Take Care! :o) -- KH, 05:27:22 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Some very valid points made here jo. It is interesting that both women were in the midst of their education and gave up their future careers to marry. CJ's husband values her opinions whereas Frank does not seem to value Denise's. Denise gave Jeremy the same ultimatum about kicking him out of her home and would change the locks. We saw three evidences of abuse and as far as I'm concerned Strike Three and you are out! Denise was willing to cut her son some slack. Frank's theory was one time was one time too many. Jeremy was not acting like a son but like the man of the house who thought he had a right to abuse his mother. He is 18 not a child. If he man enough to hit his mother he is man enough to bear the consequences. Last I heard schools had guidance counsellors. He didn(Inside) -- Jubellant, 05:36:10 07/10/07 Tue [1]

ITA with you about Frank's comment about his son being dead to him. That was over the top. He should have expressed his diappointment. The Frank Denise relationship needs alot of work. Possessiveness isn't love. That Denise didn't complete her nursing studies first before marrying Frank speaks volumes to me. Love is grand and all but it is wise to have a fallback plan even just in case anything ever happened to Frank she knows she could be self sufficiant. Nursing is a high demand profession and would come in handy wherever they were stationed. Claudia Joy is not the type to take a back seat to anyone. Denise on the otherhand just let herself be directed by her husband. People treat you how you let them.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Sorry pressed the wrong key! I started to say Jeremy didn't think saying sorry was enough? Hello, it was a place to start. He needed Amanda to tell him that?!! Write his Mom a letter of apology. I don't know why I did it? Give me a break. You just start beating up on your Mom and you don't know why? I agree the young man has problems but he's 18 for crying out loud. Did he do it to give him a reason to opt out of West Point? I don't deserve to go there, he stated. The fact that he even tried it and even taunted his mother that she wouldn't tell speaks volumes about his character. If he were 12 or even 14 maybe I'd have a bit more sympathy but sorry, his remorse just didn't ring true to me. -- Jubellant, 05:46:37 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Again I disagree Jubellant but I'll leave it at that. I again agree with jo and Theresa. -- Kathy, 06:47:29 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No problemo Kathy, that is what a discussion is all about, different viewpoints. You may see where someone is coming from, or not. You may even pursuade a few to change their original viewpoints, or not, which is what makes it all interesting. -- Jubellant, 07:19:37 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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