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Date Posted: 16:25:49 07/10/07 Tue
Author: Ixia
Subject: I don't think Frank is abusive at all and I think people are being too quick to judge him on one incident. I loved the sweet goodbyes between him and Denise when he was being deployed, you don't send love notes to a man who is making you unhappy. OK so their relationship may have been old fashioned, but at that point their was no indication that Denise was unhappy with it, in fact I don't think she was.I suspect Frank may not have been a good enough father, but as he said, recent events had given him a new perspective. He received the news from Jeremy about Westpoint in a good natured and fatherly way (more inside..)
In reply to: Jubellant 's message, "Just a question Theresa. Where do you get that Frank is abusive? Denise has stated he would never hit a woman. He might be domineering and have the old school I'm the man of the house mentality but I don't think we have seen abusive have we? Anger definitely." on 14:51:15 07/10/07 Tue

I suspect that if Jeremy had not hit his mother, then they would have had a startiong point for a better relationship.

Nobody expected Frank to react the way he did over Jeremy's confession, Denise had never seen him so angry before. That doesn't to me suggest someone with an anger management problem, but more someone under extreme stress, we shouldn't forget what an ordeal he had just been through. He does seem to fetch the army into his home life far too much, but I wonder if that is the front he needs to keep things together at the moment. He wasn't violent and didn't hit Jeremy, infact Michael Holden was more aggressive in pinning Jeremy against a wall. I think people are glossing over the fact that Jeremy hit his mother, not once but several times - he's not a child, but an adult. It's something that's beyond awful. I watched the episode again where Roxy defended Denise against him and it's difficult to feel sorry for him, it wasn't just a slap, but he really went for her - if Roxy hadn't walked in...what then? I'm not sure if it was wrong of Frank to make Jeremy leave the house, in two minds there. But he has no right to make that choice for Denise.

He isn't taking Denise's opinion into account and that is wrong on so many fronts, but he does need time to adapt to the new status quo. She hasn't been assertive in the past, but if she wants things to change then she has to facilitate that change.

Also I don't think it has been mentioned before, but I wonder how Frank and Denise's upbringings have influenced their relationship. Denise is from an old school military family, she's probably been brought up with the idea of the father being the head of the household.

Apologies for the small novel, this is what happens when you take a day to mull things over - lol.

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[> [> [> [> [> I think everyone is blown away by what has happened. Denise never thought she'd have to defend herself against her son. She never thought she'd have the guts to stand up to anyone like that. Frank never thought it would be a problem. Jeremy never thought his mother would be assertive with him and threaten to throw him out of her life if he did it again. He never thought his father would do just that by hearing about it. These people don't know each other or themselves very well. All of these things happened, and they never thought they would. -- Theresa, 16:59:34 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Also if Denise was perfectly happy with the way things were, and how Frank treated her, then she's probably never seen this side of him at all. This is all uncharted territory. They were happy in their little perfect 1940's traditional cocoon until their son got sick of his father's dictatorship and didn't know how to handle his anger. Denise is too sweet to show her anger so he didn't learn anger management from her, and Frank's household was being ran the way he wanted so he didn't have any anger to manage either. Neither Frank nor Denise expect Jeremy to be angry or even understood why. I don't blame Frank for his anger, I'd throw my son out the window if he tried to hurt me or my husband, but I wouldn't throw him out of my life. I blame him for his disregard for Denise. -- Theresa, 17:10:16 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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