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Date Posted: 16:48:38 07/10/07 Tue
Author: Theresa
Subject: An abusive nature and abusive behavior are two different things. Frank has the discipline to never hit a woman, but he's a hothead. Look at the way he pulls away from Denise in Anger and sort of shoves her back in the preview. Frank has all the marks of someone who would be abusive had he not the self discipline. He expects that same self discipline from his son, but was never around to teach it to him. And it looks like Denise didn't think she'd have to. The abuse only started 6 months before the premiere. It's a relatively new developement, and it looks like Denise missed the signs along the way that pointed to raising an abuser. Most people miss the signs because they can't fathom it ever happening.
In reply to: Jubellant 's message, "Just a question Theresa. Where do you get that Frank is abusive? Denise has stated he would never hit a woman. He might be domineering and have the old school I'm the man of the house mentality but I don't think we have seen abusive have we? Anger definitely." on 14:51:15 07/10/07 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> It's difficult to tell from the preview as it's edited and moves so fast. But Denise doesn't shy away from him, there's no fear there and she puts her hand forward and almost pushes him in the stomach as if she is going to force him to listen to her. I don't see that he shoves her, just pulls away. -- Ixia, 17:14:57 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> I'll look again. What I'm saying is, that I don't think Frank would ever hurt Denise because he has more self control than that, but Jeremy has that same hot temper without the self control. Frank is domineering and dismissive of her feelings. They've probably never been in this situation before. She wouldn't be afraid of him. She wouldn't see that those are the marks of an abuser. There are many people who have a tendency and choose to suppress it. I think before now Frank suppressed his tendency to lash out. He didn't need to show it. Now he's showing it, but choosing not to be an abuser. Some people are too gentle natured to be an abuser, and others just choose not to be though they could easily be that way. I believe Frank is the latter. -- Theresa, 17:22:35 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I do hear what you're saying and I don't mean that in a buzz-phrase kind of way :) I don't feel I can class someone as an abuser just because they have the capability. He's a soldier obviously he will have the capability to resort to violent acts and the self control to keep it in check. ....I've suddenly got the vision of the two of us replaying the lifetime clip over in another window, just so we can see whose arms and hands are where. It's 1.35am here and I'm fast losing my capacity for rational thinking :/ -- Ixia, 17:37:34 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Excuse the spelling, I pressed enter for a new paragraph and it erm...entered my post into the thread. -- Ixia, 17:39:27 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I never said he was an abuser. I said he had an abusive nature which Jeremy inherited. He certainly didn't get the fiery temper from his mother. That's all I was saying. -- Theresa, 19:53:44 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Michael Holden told Jeremy he had respect for Frank. Frank stated at the welcome home activities that one of his men the age of his son died in his arms. Denise has said she has never seen him this angry. Frank was fortunate to even be alive. Until his son decided he did not want to attend West Point that was the direction his life had been headed. Major Sherwood's military style at home might have been his way of preparing Jeremy for that lifestyle. The first extended time we see Frank at home is after a traumatic experience. Can we be jumping the gun a little on his reactions? We did see him interacting positively with his son until he heard about the abuse of his mother. -- Jubellant, 23:44:51 07/10/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Frank's West Point reaction makes better sense, now (my 5 year old had the Mommy's when the show started the other day & I didn't hear all of the speech). After having one of his men die in his arms, that was his son's age, he's glad his son is choosing a career where he will be much less likely to be in harm's way. Frank was a tad peturbed that neither his wife nor son had told him about West Point, but I'm not sure he had given them a chance, either. -- Texasbrat, 05:01:03 07/11/07 Wed [1]


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