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Date Posted: 01:22:13 07/16/08 Wed
Author: Michael
Subject: Re: Spiritual Awakening
In reply to: iteo 's message, "Re: Spiritual Awakening" on 23:20:10 07/15/08 Tue

This Guru often quotes Ramana Maharshi. He was inspired as a boy by Him and also Ramakrishna. As a boy He had a similar thought about death as Ramana Maharshi.

He spent 20 years working for his Guru running a remote ashram, doing everything just for His Guru, and being chastised fiercly very often - all to teach Him surrender and remove His ego. When His Guru died He soon after went into Tapas (intense 'full time' meditation) and staying like that fro 5 years to complete the transformation. His Guru had done 12 years of Tapas. He did 5 as His 20 years of Selfless Service was the equivalent of 7 years Tapas in its effect.

Ramana Maharshi has often been quoted as saying you dont need to meditate, just enquire 'Who am I?' or 'Where does the sense of 'I' come from?" Babaji said that it is usually mistaken as an intellectual thought process to contemplate, or repeat like a mantra, but in fact, in order to find the answer to those questions one needs to meditate. It is only in deeper meditative states that those questions begin to be explored.

>I've never had a guru, so I find your experience
>interesting. As far as I can see, it's all about
>eliminating the ego, which your guru seems to be doing
>reasonably well.
>
>According to Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi:
>
>“There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be
>independent of it. One is to enquire for whom is this
>destiny and discover that only the ego is bound by
>destiny and not the Self and that the ego is
>non-existent.
>
>“The other way is to kill the ego by completely
>surrendering to the Lord, by realizing one’s
>helplessness and saying all the time, ‘Not I, but
>Thou, oh Lord’ and giving up all sense of ‘I’ and
>‘mine’, and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes
>with you. Complete effacement of the ego is necessary
>to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this
>effacement through Self-enquiry or bhakti marga
>(path).“
>
>I haven't figured out which path is right for me, but
>I am leaning towards the second. ;-)

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