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Date Posted: 16:38:06 11/22/08 Sat
Author: Roger
Subject: Re: We need a religious nut! The Antichrist
In reply to: iteo 's message, "Re: We need a religious nut! The Antichrist" on 09:42:09 11/22/08 Sat

It is not only the Catholic Church that is driving people away. Often, Evangelical Protestant and mainstream churches accomplish the same thing by bad practices on the part of priests and pastors who don't really get it. There are many.

I completely reject your conclusion that the Roman Catholic church is the Antichrist. That is as close as you can come to a ridiculous statement, followed closely by the claim that the Church of England is the Church of Laodicea from the Apocalypse. The Catholic church, along with the Eastern branches, the Coptics and some others, kept the worship of Jesus alive for more than a thousand years, and for every bad priest there were, and are, dozens of deeply spiritual, committed Christian clerics who dedicated their lives to spreading the Gospel and doing and encouraging good works.

I agree that there are "forces on this planet trying desperately to trap as many souls as possible and prevent them from enlightenment," but I always thought they were entertainment and broadcast moguls.

Far from leading their congregants astray, the Catholic churches have maintained the Union with Jesus Christ in the Eucharist as the principal act of worship, as it should be, and was at the beginning of the Christian Church. The evangelical churches who have branched away and made teaching and preaching the focus of worship are in error, especially as they do not recognize the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I do believe that through the Grace of God they will be saved. There is a time for teaching, but it is not necessarily in the liturgy.

Surrender of self is a common element of many religions. Buddhism expects you to achieve an ego-less state, Islam is built on submission to God, Christianity asks you to surrender your life to God in Jesus Christ. What's the diff?

Christianity in fact teaches that no-one can be good enough to deserve salvation, and that salvation is a free gift of God. The Second Person of the Trinity became a man in order to suffer as a man, and to reconcile us to God. It seems to me to be a good path, and Jesus a good Man, to follow.

The idea that Catholic worship is a mystery religion is no surprise to me. We cannot fully understand the Mysteries of God. That is why we need faith. We know we are worshipping a Mystery.

>>what is it about the Catholic Church, that it causes
>>so many to run away from 'God'?
>
>well, you won't like my answer and I realize that it
>will place me (in your mind only) firmly in the
>category of 'religious nut', but the catholic church
>is a strong arm of the antichrist - though at the same
>time, for me the antichrist is in many ways merely a
>personification of these end times - of the negative
>polarity
>
>at the same time however, there really are forces on
>this planet trying desperately to trap as many souls
>as possible and prevent them from enlightenment - to
>prevent them becoming christs (in other words - the
>antichrist). And you (as I was) have been duped into
>laughing at such ideas. We are truly living a
>spiritual existence that is beyond your imagination.
>
>But I will say however that I don't know how important
>it is for someone like you Michael to realize these
>things because I see you as someone who is on the path
>for enlightenment, which is the most important path
>IMHO.
>
>It seems to me that it's more important for those who
>have given up their personal power to a church and a
>set of beliefs to wake up and realize that they are
>being tricked. Those who wrongly believe that God or
>Jesus, et al will *save* them, when in fact they need
>to save themselves.
>
>This was the plan of the Catholic church from the
>beginning (besides terror and torture), from which
>virtually all other Christian sects branched off from.
>To tell the masses that they are "sinners" and have no
>power, they are not worthy, and that they must put all
>of their trust into Jesus saving them (and belief in
>the infallibility of the Roman Pope).
>
>(I will say that I do think that Jesus was likely a
>real person who may have been enlightened - but the
>antichrist took over his message when the Roman
>emperor became a "Christian" and then proceeded to
>re-write the Bible. It's also apparent that the Bible
>is filled with truth, but the truth has been hidden in
>allegory).
>
>The Catholic church is really the church of Babylon (a
>mystery religion). This is why the Pope wears the
>mitre, which is really a fish head, based on the
>worship of Oannes:
>
><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.godsonlygospel.com/PIC~2.JPG">http://www.godsonlygospel.com/PIC~2.JPG</a>
>
><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.crystalinks.com/dagon2.jpg">http://www.crystalinks.com/dagon2.jpg</a>
>
>"Oannes (Assyrian-Babylonian) A deity, half man, half
>fish, who rose every day from the Persian Gulf and
>taught the people wisdom, the arts and sciences,
>agriculture, etc. Identified with the deity Ea and
>also called Dagon (Dagon) and Annedotus. A somewhat
>similar story is related in the Sanskrit Hari-Purana
>about Vishnu during his Matsya-avatara (fish
>incarnation). " <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://dictionary.babylon.com/Oannes">http://dictionary.babylon.com/Oannes</a>
>
>Oannes taught mankind wisdom - which is the antithesis
>of true knowledge which is beyond the rational
>intellect.

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Re: We need a religious nut! The Antichrist -- iteo, 17:42:32 11/22/08 Sat
- Re: We need a religious nut! The Antichrist -- Roger, 10:49:03 11/24/08 Mon
  - Re: We need a religious nut! The Antichrist -- iteo, 12:31:31 11/24/08 Mon
    - Re: We need a religious nut! The Antichrist -- Roger, 00:48:48 11/25/08 Tue