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Date Posted: 05:01:47 11/06/08 Thu
Author: SFGirl Jan
Subject: Re: I don't usually post on here, but....
In reply to: Jenn 's message, "I don't usually post on here, but...." on 13:54:06 11/05/08 Wed

Jenn

The ballots were very clear--and there is no way, with all the lies and hatred being spewed in the TV ads, that *anyone* could be confused about which way to vote. I am truly disheartened and angry. But as LAwoman said, it ain't over by a long shot--this will not die quietly.

I think the condescending attitude of the pro-8 people was something that also irritated me. There was someone yesterday on the news that said, "now let's join together to start the healing."

Um, there would be no reason for any "healing" if you hadn't backed a horribly discrimnate proposal!

Taking a deep breath now....

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[> Why is it -- Jeannine, 10:19:37 11/06/08 Thu [1]

that defeated liberal positions are "never give up! fight fight fight!!!", but conservative defeat is the will of the people and should be accepted?

President-Elect Obama does not support gay marriage, does he?


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[> [> UR correct...he is against them -- SB, 11:16:32 11/06/08 Thu [1]

for religious reasons. One of things I definitely disagree with him on. He says "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

He did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. He us in support of letting the states decide about same-sex marriage.


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[> [> I might not have the right ot vote and -- LAwoman, 12:40:27 11/06/08 Thu [1]

Obama might not either without the efforts of community activists who fought for civil rights through history. There was a huge protest rally in West Hollywood last night and I know we'll keep trying to end discrimination based on sexual orientation. I just wonder if my co-workers' marriages will now be annulled? One of the couples ( who have children BTW) have been together 30 years. Another woman I know has been with her partner for 32 years and they were so happy to get married. It breaks my heart.


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[> [> I don't think it is a liberal issue. -- Terry, 15:27:20 11/06/08 Thu [1]

It is discrimination, pure and simple.

It has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal. Either you think we are all entitled to the same rights no matter what race, religion or sexual orientation or you don't. Equal rights aren't just for some of us.

We are supposed to be one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Not just the straight folks or the white folks or the men folks.

I have a dream...for my son and everyone like him. To live their lives without fear of being hated for who they are and have equal rights under the law.


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[> [> A couple of things. -- HF, 18:11:42 11/06/08 Thu [1]

1. Obama publicly says that he does not support gay marriage and it infuriates me. I don't think he actually believes what he says, however, as evidenced by this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8.

I think his position is more about getting full legal rights for the gay population in the best way that he knows how, and unfortunately we live in a society where the best way might just be to do it without admitting that's what we're doing.

2. I have a lot of trouble believing that the anti-gay position is "conservative." I'm probably in denial (especially because I don't personally know any democrats who are anti-gay), but I generally try to think that conservatives are primarily concerned with a reduction in business taxes, big defense, immigration control, etc. I can't wrap my mind around an entire political party hating gay people (and I really can't see how denying rights to people who love each other is anything other than hateful).

3. Not that you brought it up, but I also have a LOT of trouble understanding something about Christianity. We hear a lot about a loving God (in fact, he so loved the the world that he gave his only son...), but I don't understand how we can call this person/entity loving if s/he openly discriminates against people because of whom those people love. If God is all about love, how come gay people aren't allowed to express love?


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[> [> [> Ugh. Try this URL. -- HF, 18:13:32 11/06/08 Thu [1]

The period at the end made it not work.

Try this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8


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