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Date Posted: 02:11:26 10/08/08 Wed
Author: Terry
Subject: The Town Hall debate

McCain: Ramble ramble ramble, Senator Obama did it/didn't stop it, ramble ramble ramble, friend.

Obama: Ok, look, this is how it is and what I plan to do to fix it. And by the way Senator McCain voted with his party/President Bush and you can blame them for this mess we're in now.

McCain sounds like a doddering old man. Obama sounds like he's in the prime of his life. McCain had a hard row to hoe with his party having control for so long and being a huge part of the mess we are in now so he went in as the underdog (IMO).

That's about all I got out of the debate.

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[> Wow what a surprise! This from a mother thats a pot smoker..nice parental skills. -- Ramblin' Man Lover-not!, 06:23:53 10/08/08 Wed [1]


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[> [> Really? I guess that's what you get with anonymity. -- HF, 07:27:33 10/08/08 Wed [1]

What I like about this board is that I can disagree with Jeannine or Muppetmel or whomever, and I can know that they will treat me respectfully. Just because Jeannine is pro-life doesn't mean she's a bad person, and I hope (and sense) that she doesn't think I'm a bad person because I'm pro-choice.

What I dislike about this board is the lack of IP addresses. I think it encourages distasteful comments like yours because you can "hide".


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[> [> [> You won't know who I am even if I post my name. -- Ginger, 08:12:15 10/08/08 Wed [1]

I am an old friend of Nana's. I just finally got tired of Terry's negative attitude. Terry and Caren both hit below the belt repeatedly but get away with it. Terry brags about smoking pot which is against the law not to mention morally how wrong it is with children in the house. But yet she finds fault with anyone that doesnt agree with her or think like she does. You guys can have at it. Now I know why Nana quit posting. God rest her soul.


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[> [> [> [> I don't think anyone gets away with much around here, Ginger -- Jeannine, 11:00:32 10/08/08 Wed [1]

it may seem that way, but they don't. Most people just don't want to stir up trouble and say things that are better left unsaid. Things have been said here that I strongly disapprove of, but I have learned that non-comments sometimes speak loudest (and don't ignite board wars!).

I guess I try to keep in mind that we don't REALLY know each other at all, we just know a little slice of the people we post with.


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[> [> [> [> Well, Ginger -- Terry, 13:46:19 10/08/08 Wed [1]

It's nice to meet you. I have no idea who you are but thanks for sharing.

Now please excuse me, I have to get to the Fit Club to pick up my poor abused and neglected children from ballet and Kung Fu and hustle them home for a healthy dinner of baked chicken, spinach and pasta then later there will be some one-on-one homework time. After that I will be supervising their bath time and getting them to bed at a decent hour so they can be up early for school in the morning.

Then I'll probably call my fabulously successful oldest child and make sure he's doing ok; even though he's an adult we're still very close and I like to make sure he's eating right and getting to bed at a decent hour even though he is studying for his GRE in physics next month. He still wants to get into grad school, you know.

Take care and have a wonderful evening.


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[> [> [> [> [> You are such a horrible mother. -- LAwoman, 15:02:04 10/08/08 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Nice come back, but still doesn't make it right. If you are busted, the kids will suffer. -- Ginger, 08:01:34 10/09/08 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> And if you drive too fast -- niki, 11:47:01 10/09/08 Thu [1]

and get a ticket, YOUR kids will suffer. And if you drink too much, your kids will suffer. And your kids probably are suffering from having an extrememly judgemental mother.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> You dont know me, I raised 4 foster children & saw the effects of drugs everyday. -- Ginger-UYou have your opinion & I AM allowed to have mine., 13:06:18 10/09/08 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> You don't know anything about that side of my life. -- Terry, 16:06:32 10/09/08 Thu [1]

Other than what I say here. You have no way of knowing why I will not be "busted" or arrested or anything else.

And I won't tell you why. It's not your business.

You made your point and shared your opinion. Now move along, there's nothing to see here.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Then don't put your business out there. I am done. I said my peace. -- Ginger, 16:56:47 10/09/08 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> That should be piece. There was nothing peaceful about your posts. -- LAwoman, 19:09:28 10/09/08 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> What does this have to do with the debate or politics? -- JosieJ, 04:01:26 10/15/08 Wed [1]

Sounds like someone just felt like attacking for no good reason except maybe some long-held, irrational personal grudge. Hmmm. A unilateral decision to attack for something completely irrelevant. Maybe that DOES sound vaguely, familiarly political (not to mention WRONG).


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[> [> Nice. Personal attacks are so special. -- LAwoman, 13:46:04 10/08/08 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> She brings it on herself,she whines: no money for her kids Xmas but then talks about smoking Tommy -- Long time lurker, 09:12:20 10/09/08 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> But you're a better person for pubicly belittling someone? -- HF, 10:37:39 10/09/08 Thu [1]

I don't know why I'm typing this, but I will never understand why people feel the need to judge others. If you don't agree with someone's opinions or decisions, that's ok. You don't have to call them a bad person or berate them. Life is hard enough and usually time will tell re what the right thing to do is or was.


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[> [> [> [> [> I just calls it as I see it. She certainly judges people, have you not read her posts? -- Long time lurker, 11:46:38 10/09/08 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> This is not worth arguing about. -- HF, 12:20:41 10/09/08 Thu [1]

You want to judge people, ok, it's your conscience. I don't. I've made my point and I'm going to drop it now.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Thanks HF. Please don't feed the troll. -- Terry, 16:07:32 10/09/08 Thu [1]

Seriously, I don't need to be defended. But thank you.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You're welcome. -- HF, 16:48:49 10/09/08 Thu [1]

Except that to quote someone else, I just calls it like I see it. What I wrote didn't have much to do with your specific situation. I get cranky anytime the judgmental and self-righteous come out of the woodwork regardless of where it's directed.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> And I thank 'Long Time Lurker' but trust me, quite a few here have sent me emails agreeing. -- G.-Standing up for children's rights for drug free mom, 16:59:42 10/09/08 Thu [1]


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[> [> ...& yr pt is, ramblin'? Terry is right, McC IS a doddering old man and Obama is young. -- JennyJenkins: those are the facts, 15:58:10 10/08/08 Wed [1]

anyway, McC is soooo proud of the Bush record that you won't catch him saying "Bush" even once. He doesn't even refer to his party by name. He alwyas says "I" and only "I" as if he could even do what he says he would, NOT!

BTW, pot should be legalized, and all drugs too, this way, they could be sold as controlled substances that could be taxed by the government. That way there wouldn't be a criminal underground. The rate of crime would drop. I wish there was a gov't brave enough to do this. :-/


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[> [> [> Out of curiousity, Jenny, how old are you? -- Jeannine, 17:27:14 10/08/08 Wed [1]

just so I can put you in context. No answer required, of course.


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[> [> [> It doesn't make any difference to me, but I'm old enough to be a Grandmother ;-) (soon) -- JennyJenkins: has kids in their late 20's & one is married, 18:05:50 10/08/08 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> ...and what about you Jeannine? -- JennyJenkins, 18:06:50 10/08/08 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> 55 -- Jeannine, 18:48:34 10/08/08 Wed [1]

I just got the impression that you seem to put a high value on youth. Nothing wrong with that, just don't discount us oldsters.


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[> I am actually proud of this board this election cycle -- Jeannine, 07:52:36 10/08/08 Wed [1]

I think we have been playing pretty nice compared to last time (whew!).

I do wonder why we don't have IP addresses here, but I know there are a lot of people who don't feel comfortable posting personal opinions for fear of backlash, so it doesn't bother me - I have been the "victim" of anon comments a time or two myself.

I don't think any of us are bad people but we sure as hell are opinionated.

On the debate, once again I think who won depends on who you support.


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[> [> Do you think the presidential debates have been kinda dull? -- HF, 08:11:04 10/08/08 Wed [1]

I wish there was more direct interaction between the candidates. Last night didn't reveal anything particularly new, and both candidates seemed so "I'm giving a lecture" instead of conversational. Say what I will about Palin's speaking habits, but at least she makes things lively. I feel like I can go to Obama's or McCain's websites and learn what I'm learning from the debates. I want to see something different.


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[> [> [> They have been really boring -- Jeannine, 10:06:35 10/08/08 Wed [1]

Sarah/Joe were fun to watch and more engaged.

Maybe it is a sign of the times, no one wants to go out on a limb. Don't really blame them - these days the press, shit, even the public, is there with cameras just hoping for a YouTube moment.

There is still one debate to go, we can hope for a good one. I wish they both would show the fire that we see on the news from their campaign speeches.


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[> You did have to give Tom Brokaw a big hand -- DizzyDeb, 08:31:16 10/08/08 Wed [1]

Poor guy was doing his best to keep to the rules agreed to by both campaigns. LOL! And then at the end when they stood in front of his prompter? Cracked me up! But he did manage to keep the candidates in line better than others have.

I haven't heard anything new or anything that's going to change my mind yet. I think I like the debate format better than the town meeting-type. I like hearing the back & forth between the candidates. And I'm grateful that we get to experience these debates at all and just as grateful that people can then express opinions someplace like this board in a respectful manner, even when things do get a little heated at times.


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[> ITA w/you, Terry. (And I don't even smoke pot!) -- jennymc, 08:34:47 10/08/08 Wed [1]

McCain looked old and tired, and sounded like he had trouble breathing.

I thought he was very rude pacing around all over the place while Obama was speaking. At least Obama was courteous enough to sit still and appear to listen to McCain rambling on with all his tired old cliches.

There was an interesting piecee on McCain in Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print


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[> Well... -- Susan, 09:08:13 10/08/08 Wed [1]

yes, Obama is very charismatic and is a great speaker. That does not necessarily make one a great president. McCain is old, true, but calling him doddering is unfair. I think he has alot of experience and good sense. I don't know much about foreign policy, economics, and all that, but what McCain had to say made sense to me. But it was a pretty boring debate, and poor Tom Brokaw's voice sounded like someone in the last stages of emphysema!


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[> [> i love that guy but it sounded like he had shiat in his mouth! :) -- ozzie, 09:58:56 10/08/08 Wed [1]


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[> [> Good thing disability isn't disqualifying -- Jeannine, 10:03:20 10/08/08 Wed [1]

or we never would have had FDR as president. I get angry when he is described as "doddering" etc, because of the years of unimaginable physical torture he endured. I broke my foot as a teenager and now at 55 I dodder at times - try multiplying that by 1000. I can only admire his endurance and stamina.

I do agree with you, Susan, charisma isn't everything. I am more likely to go with the candidate that I feel truly puts his country first.


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[> [> [> Re: Good thing disability isn't disqualifying -- niki, 11:39:16 10/08/08 Wed [1]

I didn't think he can off as doddering, but he did not impress me either.
Neither did Obama.

I thought they both just seemed to be saying blahblahblah, its all his fault, blah blah , no, it all his fault, blah blah blah.

I thought the whole thing was very pointless.

Frankly, I'd like to vote for Biden with Palin or McCain as VP.


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[> Re: The Town Hall debate -- scooter, 11:41:02 10/08/08 Wed [1]

I thought Obama won (I know, you're all shocked), but I thought McCain had two really bad moments: first, when he called Obama "that one." That was really dismissive and disrespectful. And second, when he kept mentioning the overhead projector for the auditorium in Chicago. That seemed so inconsequential and out of touch in view of the financial crisis.


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[> [> 'that one' -- SB, 12:16:56 10/08/08 Wed [1]

This will end up being a new slogan I think. Someone already sent me a URL from Cafepress that were selling "This one voted for That One" t-shirts! LOL


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[> [> I think "That one" was supposed to be a 'moment' -- Jeannine, 13:26:42 10/08/08 Wed [1]

but it didn't pan out. Sounded like an old guy saying 'hey, get outta my yard!' to me, and keep in mind that I love McCain.

I just don't understand how, in an hour and 1/2 debate, there weren't any questions about supreme court justices, immigration reform, and about a million other domestic policies. I know the economy is on everyone's mind, but that is not the only thing.


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[> [> [> Because people are very scared. -- Terry, 13:54:33 10/08/08 Wed [1]

My dear friend at work, Mr. Pence (age 69 and still working) and his lovely wife have lost almost all of their retirement in the past few weeks. My parents have, too.

I would have liked to hear more about the same topics you listed but the people who were asking the questions obviously thought the economy was more important.

And my point was I expected more from McCain. I actually felt sorry for him; I'm pretty sure that wasn't what he was going for. I expected him to sound stronger and be more in tune with the audience and IMO, he seemed even older and more frail, like the stress of the campaing is getting to him.

If his health is poor due to his years as a POW and having melanoma then that just reinforces my opinion he made a terrible choice when he picked Sarah Palin as a running mate.


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[> [> [> About the questions... -- JennyJenkins, 16:16:53 10/08/08 Wed [1]

I read in my newspaper, The Toronto Star, that the questions are not complete surprises. The people are picked way before the debate, by the press, and the candidates are given clues as to what to prepare in their answers. They don't exactly know the text, but the content isn't new to the them. This debate's main topic was supposed to be foreign affairs. They couldn't, however, ignore the economy, considering what's happening in the country and worldwide, so that question had to be included too.

BTW, I listen to the Public Radio and watch the PBS and ABC news. I like their impratiality, the best. Of course, living in Canada, I follow the CBC also.


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[> [> [> [> Oh, yeah, about "that one"... -- JennyJenkins, 16:22:40 10/08/08 Wed [1]

last night PBS and ABC made hay with "that one" and they both said that it'll cost McCain. They didn't excuse it as a "senior moment" because they said that McCain refers to Obama as "that one" at private Republican rallies. That tells me A LOT! :-/


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[> I pretty much felt that it was not a debate that would change -- LAwoman, 15:12:38 10/08/08 Wed [1]

the minds of anyone who already planned to vote for a particular candidate. It reinforced my choice, but I doubt anyone jumped sides based on that debate. And the undecideds may have wanted more topics covered, but there is one more debate to go.


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