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Date Posted: 03:25:54 12/16/07 Sun
Author: DennyG
Subject: To All Our Democrat Friends:
To All Our Democrat Friends:
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.
To Our Republican Friends:
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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That was uncalled for. -- DizzyDeb, 13:38:04 12/18/07 Tue [1]
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Isn't this the political board where all is fair in love and war? -- Katt, 15:22:26 12/19/07 Wed [1]
Not to mention, it's very funny! :P
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LOL -- DennyG, 16:37:25 12/19/07 Wed [1]
It's cool. It was just a joke that tickled my funny bone. I guess it struck a nerve with some though.
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Sorry, DennyG -- DizzyDeb, 09:22:30 12/20/07 Thu [1]
Our lovely little VERY conservative town has really been getting on every liberal nerve lately. It just struck me as another blow on a bad day. Isn't this campaign year going to be fun? It seems like such a long time until November. LOL
Hope you have a very blessed and Merry Christmas!
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No problems here -- DennyG, 16:47:07 12/20/07 Thu [1]
While you will not find very much liberal in me, I still respect your right to have an opposing view. That is the purpose of this seperate board to express ourselves about our differing ideas without starting a board war on the main board.
And in the interest of peace in this season of peace to all, "Happy Holidays." I pray for you to find peace with those in your town who have forgotten that this season.
After Christmas, maybe we can get into some good political discussions here. I see several controversies brewing. I still haven't found a candidate quite conservative enough to suit me yet. But Huckabee made some gains with me by having the cross bookcase in his Christmas message.
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did Pat Buchanan write this? -- jayjay, 23:47:03 12/18/07 Tue [1]
;-)
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Thanks for the chuckle, DennyG. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you! -- gg, 08:21:32 12/19/07 Wed [1]
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Too funny, Denny, TFS. -- sami, 15:16:54 12/19/07 Wed [1]
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LOL!! -- Marcia, 16:55:05 12/19/07 Wed [1]
Merry Christmas, Denny! ;-D
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LOL YAY...holiday fun! -- SB, 13:15:10 12/20/07 Thu [1]
You would probably like Roland Martins article at CNN. Although to be honest...I don't understand the whole hysteria every year over holiday greetings. Why is "Happy Holidays" such an offensive greeting? Isn't it like reverse PC if you get upset by those 2 words because someone didn't wish you a Merry Christmas, but just 'Happy Holidays'? Are we really that arrogant to make an argument that someone can only give holiday greetings one way and if it not said YOUR way it is a sinister plot?
IMO using the term Happy Holidays is called c-o-m-m-o-n 'freakin' c-o-u-r-t-e-s-y and a reverence to all faiths in the holiday season, not a complete putdown to Christmas. I use it quite often, but I also say Merry Christmas when I know the person. I wouldn't expect that some stranger I passed that I wanted to give yuletide greetings to would give a damn how I did it (well..except I guess 'up yours' wouldn't be appropriate - LOL)! My feeling is that a “reasonable” person would not be offended by either Happy Holidays OR Merry Christmas if it is said in goodwill. That being said there sure are a lot of unreasonable people out there obviously on both sides. The fact article upon article is written this time of year about this 'greetings' subject boggles my imagination. Tis the season of holiday hysteria. Sometimes it’s amusing…sometimes it’s just sad.
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I've always liked Happy Holidays because to me it encompasses the New Year holiday too, -- LAwoman, 13:55:37 12/20/07 Thu [1]
which I do celebrate. In Vegas. I don't get worked up if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas even though I am not Christian. I take it as well-intentioned. Plus, I love any holiday that gets me some time off work. I'll celebrate anything for that!! So Merry Christmas, happy Winter Solstice, Happy Kwanzaa and a belated Happy Hanukkah! All of those and more!
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I did... -- DennyG, 17:04:28 12/20/07 Thu [1]
like that article. My problem is not that someone wants to say happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas. I spent six years in the military ready to fight for that right. Where I believe the problem begins is when we become so politically correct that we ban the use of Christmas in schools and government buildings. In a country where 84% of the people claim to be Christian that is ludicrous.
And as for what stores and other businesses do, I support their right to do that. But I also practice my right to take my money elsewhere. Old Navy, Lowe’s, and other stores that choose to have “holiday” gifts or “holiday” trees as opposed to Christmas gifts and trees, are welcome to do so, but they should not expect to receive any business from me.
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I think I may have made up for your not shopping at Old Navy and Lowes LOL! -- LAwomanshoppedthere.....a lot, 22:02:58 12/20/07 Thu [1]
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Well, I understand why there can't be Christmas decorations, etc. -- Carrie, 10:04:44 12/21/07 Fri [1]
I know you know it's separation of church and state; that the Government cannot, under the Constitution, be seen to promote *any* religion. This is not to say that any and all mentions of "God" should be removed from anything having to do with the government. It means that there can't be the 10 Commandments in a courthouse or a nativity in front of City Hall. Those things are definitely related to one religion and it would appear that, by placing these things in such close proximity to government buildings, the government believes that Christianity is the only way to go. So, really, it's not political correctness; it's Constitutional correctness.
I think that the reason it bothers people, mostly, is because those people are among the majority. It makes sense to them to celebrate a very special and sacred event, and to let other people know their personal feelings about it.
However, being in the majority does not mean that other people's beliefs or feelings are important or that they aren't just as deeply held as yours are. To some people, seeing a nativity in front of a government building or in a store is very offensive. You might not agree or understand, but that's just the way it is.
If 83% of people in this country were Jewish and there were dreidels and menorhas and Happy Chanukah everywhere, I think people would probably get pretty sick of the majority completely overlooking their beliefs. And I think they'd have a point.
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Can you tell me? -- DennyG, 14:09:07 12/21/07 Fri [1]
Where in the constitution do you find any mention of seperation of church and state?
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First Amendment -- Carrie, 15:06:00 12/21/07 Fri [1]
It's called the "establishment clause." Here's the text of the first amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
That first part says that Congress cannot make any laws that would establish a "state religion." That's why we don't have a national religion. If we were to do something like that, it would negate everything that people came here to escape.
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I'm so freaking sick of the War on Christmas -- Caren, 07:57:27 12/22/07 Sat [1]
IMO using the term Happy Holidays is called c-o-m-m-o-n 'freakin' c-o-u-r-t-e-s-y and a reverence to all faiths in the holiday season, not a complete putdown to Christmas.
Thank you, SB.
I am so sick of the Neo-Pharisees acting like they are being oppressed b/c they can't impose their particular religion on everyone.
"Seasons' Greetings" first appeared on Christmas cards 150+ years ago. "Happy Holidays" is one of my favorite Christmas songs.
Anyone remember the real War on Christmas? It was against the commercialization of the holiday. You shouldn't WANT a store saying "Merry Christmas" in order to sell you stuff. The Grinch and Charlie Brown Christmas specials from the 60s have the same message--without bells and bows, without pink aluminum Christmas trees, Christmas comes all the same b/c Christmas really has nothing to do with stuff. It's supposed to be a time of Peace on Earth, Good Will to All.
The only time Jesus really lost his temper in the Bible is when he kicked the money changers out of the temple. Commerce and religion, or more commerce *using* religion really irritated the Christ.
We lost that war. Christmas is a big national secular holiday now, driving the country's economic fortunes.
This new, fabricated War on Christmas (tm) is just Neo-Pharisees stamping their feet if the entire country doesn't kowtow and acknowledge their Present-fest--without acknowledging any other winter celebration. Their "Merry Christmas" isn't actually a greeting wishing joy for others, but a demand-->worship my way or else.
Don't believe me? Want a true Christian story that proves it? http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/ (yeah, it's cnn, but that's just the first link that came up when Googled)
Jews carrying a menorah get on the Q train in New York. Christians yell "Merry Christmas" at them. One man replies "Happy Hanukkah" b/c strangely enough, even though Christmas is still a month away, it is one of the 8 days of Hanukkah. One of the Christians responds "Oh yeah, Hannukkahs the day the Jews killed Jesus." (Actually, that was the Romans and Good Friday/Easter, but that's another tale) The Christians then begin to kick the sh!t out of the Jews for not replying with "Merry Christmas".
Here's where it gets really good.
Who comes to the Jewish man's aid? A Muslim. Yep, the currently most reviled religious outcasts in America. Hassan Askari -- a Muslim student from Bangladesh stepped up and helped.
It's a real life Good Samaritan. Samaritans were reviled in Jesus' time--that's what makes the parable so powerful. The so-called good people walk on by while that "no-good" Samaritan acted against his own self-interest to benefit another person.
So we lose again. The people who think they are "defending" their faith by insisting on "Merry Christmas" are actually defiling it by disregarding Jesus' words to love and forgive. It's holier-than-thou crap that's against everything Jesus said.
"Merry Christmas." It used to be such a nice thing to hear. Now it sounds like a big "Eff You" and I hate that people have done that to the holiday.
We lose again.
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Caren I always agree with your posts. -- lindalou, 23:20:52 12/24/07 Mon [1]
Have a wonderful Christmas. One of my resolutions this year is to meet a few RTer's, and you are just a couple hundred miles away. I hope I can meet you this year.
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