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Date Posted: 18:20:39 11/29/09 Sun
Author: David to Joel
Subject: Re: Joel's "Say No to Drugs!" Whipping From Grandpa
In reply to: Joel 's message, "Joel's "Say No to Drugs!" Whipping From Grandpa" on 07:23:52 11/28/09 Sat

Joel, its been a long 4 day holiday weekend & my butt is dragging right now. Rick & I did a 4-some with Jeanne & Mollie for brunch & then couples split off to have some holiday time together before the work week starts tomorrow.

This is going to be short for now. Maybe I'll think more & address more later & if you need answers Joel to anything, I'll do my best but I'm no psychologist, counselor or minister so dont promise to have all the answers or even the best ones but I'll give my 'big bro' gut reactions.

Your grandpa screwed up Joel on this. From what you said, it was discipline & hell, for sure no game like with your jock buddies. It was plain abuse & that's illegal & no boy, girl or anyone deserve physical abuse. The only thing I fault you for dude was taking it instead of standing up as a smart 17 year old & saying hell no. You say no to drugs & alcohol & that was what grandpa needed to hear. That would not be disrespect or sass.

Maybe the answer to why your dad chose not to spank you growing up came out in those minutes in the barn. Maybe your dad was abused as a boy & swore to himself never to inflict that pain on his son. If grandpa took liberties with you, maybe 30 or so years ago when whipping a boy's ass was more socially acceptable, your dad got more than a spanking/whipping & maybe undeserved as yours was.

I share Kyle's reaction to this. It was from all indications 100% wrong & if it came out, your grandpa could be embarrassed & charged with a felony. If it would not cause a major rift between your dad & his dad, I'd tell you to go right now & square this matter in full truth of details with your mom & dad. Joel, just one favor I ask, please do not go back to grandpa ever again alone. Make sure a buddy, dad/mom, grandma, gf or someone is always there. He lured you alone & did unthinkable harm & I would never want this to happen to you again. If anything like this ever comes close to happening again, you turn & take a hike as fast as those jock legs will carry you. Never submit to this again Joel.

Sounds as if you & Holly had a great time despite everything else. Happy to hear that. I see where you told Rick it was 'NO' to calling off the challenge. I'll accept that decision & everything rides as it was but 'cool' awhile & let this settle before taking on dad.

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