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Subject: My view of being spanked


Author:
Benji
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Date Posted: 22:15:33 09/15/12 Sat

I posted this at another board but I felt it would be useful here too.

A little of the information is now outdated but the important stuff is still relevant.

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The last time I posted about my dad, I was really critical of him and it caused some issues. I am going to try to do differently but he is on my mind right now.

I first want to say something that is related to this board. I hear all of the time about how much we hate our spankings and how horrible they are and, yes, some even criticize their parents for spanking them. OK, I get that, I do. I really hate getting a spanking myself. It hurts, it burns, it stings, it is somewhat embarrassing and I feel bad about myself. I mean who likes to hurt? All of us are around the same age here and I think we are old enough to take a different view of getting spanked. Have we ever thought about how it helps us?

I am the product of an uninvolved absent father and a very liberal mother. I was not spanked as a younger kid. Yes, Dad slapped a belt across the seat of my pants when I was 8 because I lied to him but it was only one lick and I barely felt it. That was it. Mom was always protective of me and Dad was more in love with his career than me and so he really did not care what I did. Not only was I not spanked, I was rarely punished. I remember being in time out a few times and not getting to watch TV for a day and I think I remember getting out of the TV ban. Mom liked to reason with me. I lived in Germany most of my childhood due to Dad's career. I would sometimes get sent to the USA to visit my uncle and cousins over Spring Breaks. By the time I was 11 I was a spoiled obnoxious brat. OK, I can admit that now. I was 11 and I was visiting here and I guess I thought I could treat my Aunt just like I treated Mom - like a servant. I got a couple of warnings from my Aunt and Uncle about my attitude but I could have cared less. I smarted off to Aunt Karen and demanded something from her and the next I knew Uncle Pat had me by the arm and said I was "going to learn how to treat adults with respect." That was the first REAL spanking I ever got. It was very drawn out because I also had to learn that Uncle Pat was serious about me taking my own shorts and undies down. It was the most painful thing I ever experienced and I was mad and hurt and all of that. But, it was weird, I also felt good. I guess I felt like someone cared. I got over being mad and my rear actually felt fine after a couple of hours but I was a different kid for the rest of the visit. I actually had fun and enjoyed myself.

I went home and fell back into being a spoiled obnoxious brat and my parents allowed it. I turned 12 that April and found a new group of friends. It was a gang of thugs. I started skipping school. I would run with these guys and we would vandalize houses and cars and we would steal and shoplift. We were a group of delinquents. We vandalized a little market and stole stuff from it and got caught. I was just taken home and turned over to my mother. Mom was so upset that she made me stand in time out for a whole half hour. Wow! I wasn't going to do that again. NOT! I was forbidden to hang with these guys. I really obeyed that restriction. I would skip school and sneak out at all hours just to be with my "friends." They were in to drugs and wanted me to get in on them as well. I did hold some pot for them a couple of times but, thank God, I never tried the drugs! When my gang was busted for drugs, I am so thankful that I was at a doctor's appointment when it happened, Mom realized my situation was serious. Dad's whole take on it was that "boys will be boys" and that it was a phase and I would grow out of it. Really, Dad? Mom made a hard call and called her brother in the USA. I was on a plane within the week.

Being taken away from your home and shipped 6000 miles away from everything you grew up with is a sobering experience. Just that alone was a wake up call and I vowed to try my best to be a different kid. My obnoxious brattiness still came out and I still tried to do stupid things but my uncle's response was different than Mom's or definitely Dad's. His answer was to light my rear end up. I also realized the principal at the school had a paddle and skipping school was a sure fire way to meet his paddle. I guess I really did not sit comfortably for a couple of months in to my transition. But, the whole thing literally saved my life. I also was able to become part of a baseball team at school and we had a great coach who taught us teamwork and discipline and, oh yeah, he had a paddle too. He used it on me once and only once. I also met my great friend Justin who you all know as Turtle. Turtle is a very positive kid and he influenced me in so many good ways. I finally realized what a true friend was.

So, people, hate your spankings all you want. Gripe about them all you want. Yes, I know it is a horrible experience. But, please ask yourself, where would you be if someone did not take the time to care enough about you to cause some serious hurt in your backside? Had I not been removed from my situation and had I not started to receive real consequences for my actions I would be in jail, addicted to drugs, and maybe even dead. Next time you are sniffling and rubbing a burning butt, think about that.

All of that to give a report about Dad. He was supposed to retire and come live here in December. Instead he decided to not retire and to divorce my mother. OK, their marriage was a charade anyway, I get it. Dad promised he would fly me and a friend to Germany for Spring Break. Well, it seems something came up and that did not happen. He was going to come here for my birthday in April. He was so sorry but he could not work it out.

The divorce was final last week. Mom has been real quiet about it. She left some papers out and I got nosy and read them. It was the final decree. Dad relinquished all custody and visitation rights to me and offered Mom a one time child support settlement. Yes, essentially Dad coughed up some cash to be rid of me. That is how I see it anyway. I had a bad weekend after that but I am getting over it. Too many people love me and see value in me for me to worry about a man who was never really there for me anyway.

Dad called at some ridiculous hour this morning. I think it was like 1:30AM. He always says the time difference confuses him. He wanted to know how I was doing and he was trying to say he was going to try to work out a week to come see me. Something came over me and I went off on him. I dumped 14 years worth of disappointment and hurt and indifference on him and then ended the call sobbing like a toddler. I feel better now.

Mom? She is a wonderful woman who loves me. She just has a liberal attitude. But she sees the value in physical correction, she just can't bring herself to do it, but she has no problem delivering me to my uncle who has no problem giving me what I need.

Yeah, I hate it and it hurts but I am so lucky to have someone who cares for me!

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Benji
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Date Posted: 23:36:25 09/16/12 Sun

Updates:

Mom has moved to Chicago for a job. I am back with my Aunt and Uncle as I did not want to go to Chicago. I like things here.

Dad is basically totally out of the picture now.

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Taylor
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Date Posted: 19:01:07 09/20/12 Thu

Hi Benji,

I think it is really sad about you & your father. But I also think that you are really fortunate to have an aunt & uncle who care that much for you.

I don't know how you will take this but this is my personal belief. God loves you & I really believe He is working in your life in a very strong way. He gave you a path away from that life you had in Germany & brought you to a better place for you. I'm not saying that your parents are bad people but they just weren't making the right decisions for you. God saw that & gave you another chance in a new place. I know you love your mom & I think deep down you love your dad too & they still love you.

You sound like a really good kid & the way you are handling this is very mature. My parents have read your post also & they want to write something but they aren't sure what to say. But I will tell you that our whole family has prayed for you everyday since we read your post & we will keep praying for you & your family.

Thanks for sharing Benji. I think your story helps us to appreciate why our parents discipline us they way they do. Thanks.

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Benji to Taylor
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Date Posted: 23:10:08 09/20/12 Thu

Thanks!

Oh, I agree, I see God's hand in all of this.

Please continue to pray!

Thanks.

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Benji to Taylor
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Date Posted: 14:48:48 09/22/12 Sat

Just moving this up for Taylor to see.

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Angela
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Date Posted: 20:46:58 09/23/12 Sun

Hello Benji,

My name is Angela & I am Taylor's mother. My husband and I had wanted to write something to you but we aren't sure how to say what we want to say. But I will attempt to convey our feelings in an appropriate way.

I read your post last week and my heart went out to you. Your post indicated that you are a brave, mature boy but I can also see the hurt you must feel. I saw the loneliness and sense of abandonment you must have felt while living in Germany. You compensated by associating with others who made you feel wanted and that you belonged. But there was one thing, one very important thing missing from that life you were living. Those other kids didn't love you, but I think you knew that.

Your mother made a very brave & difficult decision to send you to live with your uncle. I have never met your mother of course, but she must love you very much to make a decision like that. You are very mature to recognize that just because she can't bring herself to spank you doesn't mean that she doesn't love you. Some people just can't do it for whatever the reason. It isn't an easy thing to do.

I am sure your father loves you too Benji. Some people just have a hard time showing it. I know that must be hard for you to understand. Please try not to be bitter about it. Perhaps in time he will realize what he is missing and try to reach out to you. I hope that you can put aside your disappointments and grief and be there when he does.

Please understand that I am not criticizing your parents. It is not my place to do so. I don't know them so I can't say why they made the choices they made. That is between you and them and God.

Always please remember that no matter what happens, no matter how bleak things may look, God loves you. There is nothing that can change that. St. Paul tells us that in Romans 8:38-39. Even when you were living a sinful life in Germany He loved you and brought you to a better place. Even when you were being disrespectful and rude to those around you, He loved you. He loved you so much that he took you from everything that you knew and held dear and gave you another chance in another place with an aunt & uncle who love you and care for you & where you would find the tough love and discipline that you needed and deserved. That is a powerful love Benji. You have truly been blessed.

After she read your post Taylor asked us if we could include you and your family in our daily and weekly prayers. When we read your post ourselves we didn't hesitate. We will remember you and your parents, your aunt and uncle and your cousins in our prayers always. I know we have never met and probably never will but we were deeply touched by what you wrote. Thank you for sharing your story.

Take care Benji and please continue to share here. We would love to hear how you are doing. Peace and God Bless.

Angela

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Benji to Mrs. Angela
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Date Posted: 21:06:04 09/24/12 Mon

Wow!

All I can say is thank you. I would have to admit that I still held some resentment to Mom over sending me here from Germany but you helped me see this differently.

You may have read but Mom is living in Chicago right now. She is an architect and she found a good job there but, frankly, I did not want to move and Mom also agreed that it would not be a good environment for me. A year ago today, my grandfather passed away and so we had a memorial service at the cemetery yesterday to remember him. Mom came as it was her daddy. She did not have to fly back to Chicago until later today so I spent the night with her and all of this morning. (I am home schooled until January when I start at my new school.) It was nice as it gave me and Mom time to talk through some things and so your note came at the perfect time. I feel God has divine appointment and a divine time line for all things.

Your note was very encouraging to me. I love the passage in Romans you shared. My "cousin" Mark loves the "more than conquerors" part of it.

I do believe in and appreciate your prayers. That is another good thing about me being here. I guess you know that my uncle is a pastor? It has been helpful being in a minister's home. He also allows me to go to work at the church with him and I really enjoy that. Being here has provided for the missing spiritual aspect in my life. Aunt Karen is a teacher but she took time off to have another baby and to finish her PhD. The baby is due at Christmas. She teaches my home schooling. She is a good teacher. I was getting bored and acting out at school. I took some tests and we found out that I am "gifted" and so Aunt Karen is able to keep the learning fun and exciting for me. She also makes it more challenging. I have been accepted to a special school with other kids like me. I am excited but I will miss Aunt Karen's teaching. I guess that is also another good aspect about being here.

Do you know my cousins PJ, Caleb and Mark who post here? There is also a baby cousin named JB but he is only 11 months old.

I do thank you for taking time to encourage me. Your word was a blessing to me.

-BDA

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Angela
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Date Posted: 21:53:16 09/26/12 Wed

Hello Benji,

I am so glad that you & your mother are talking things through. That is so important. I am sure that you will miss her but I'm sure she is going to miss you terribly as well. Mothers want to be assured of their children's well being. I don't think she could make such a decision without knowing that you would be safe & well-cared for.

I guess I didn't realize that your uncle was a pastor. That is wonderful! It's nice that he lets you accompany him to the church. Do you aspire to be a pastor? That would be a rich & fulfilling life. It can be challenging & it's probably not for everyone. We do have something in common though. My husband's youngest brother is a priest. He was ordained just 3 years ago and serves a parish in Wisconsin. We are so proud of him. He is quite popular with his parishioners.

Congratulations on your acceptance to the gifted school. That will be very challenging for you but I'm sure you are up to it. Work hard & make your family proud.

Thank you for your kind words. I am glad that I could help you see things from a different perspective. It is really your willingness to keep an open mind & heart that is important. Always remember that God is with you. If you can remember that then there isn't anything that can defeat you. That's the same thing I tell my own kids often. God Bless you Benji.

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Benji to Mrs. Angela
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Date Posted: 12:39:29 09/27/12 Thu

I do not aspire to the ministry. My cousin PJ and our friend, the Rat, both aspire to the ministry. I love to cook and I do a good job. I want to be a chef and have my own chain of restaurants called Benjamin's. I also want to go on Iron Chef and defeat Chef Morimoto. I want to attend the CIA after high school but I also think I need an MBA.

PJ and Rat both participate in ministry opportunities at our church and they also preach and lead worship on youth days. I cook all the time. I love it.

When I am at the church with Uncle Pat, I will sometimes help him research things on the computer, I will help the office staff with papers and printing, I sometimes help clean the church, also Uncle Pat and I visit the hospitals together sometimes. I made lunch for the church staff one time. (There is a kitchen there.) I have talked to Uncle Pat about a feeding ministry that the church could do. He asked me to get the details and make a proposal.

Thanks again for your encouragement.

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