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Date Posted: 14:36:19 06/19/03 Thu
Author: Dane Pound
Subject: Hoop attendence #s
Avg basketball home attendence for 2002-03. Read'em and weep:
Albany-1168
BingU-1790
BU-1089
Hartford-1424
Maine-1588
NU-703
UNH-876
Stony Brook-1212
Vermont-1955
(UMBC-1717)
Couple of other things: We were the 30th in the nation in terms of attendence. Ahead of only the NEC and actually behind the independents. In terms of average conference tourney attendence the AE was last. Which considering NU and BU's attendence numbers shouldn't be a surprise.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- mainejeff, 14:48:22 06/19/03 Thu
I know that I'll be raked over the coals for this one, but would we really miss BU and Northeastern if they left the league? The Boston market could care less about America East.....I really don't see what they bring to the table other than small and apathetic fan bases.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- animal, 15:41:56 06/19/03 Thu
Take those numbers with a grain of salt. Watching games on TV as well as attending a few games at various venues, I know for a fact that some numbers are more "honest" than others. For instance, I was at a BU game where they said there was 900 and there was probably like 300. Also, I don't even know if Northeastern's gym could hold 700. Other places are more legit.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- mainejeff, 16:18:23 06/19/03 Thu
So are you saying that BU and Northeastern's numbers are even lower??.......great.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- animal, 16:29:02 06/19/03 Thu
mainejeff, just my opinion, but here are the schools that fudge #'s and schools that are honest
Honest: UVM, UNH, Stony Brook, Binghamton
Not Honest: Maine (slightly), BU, NU, Hartford and Albany
The two Boston schools and Hartford are the worst. There was 200 people at a Hartford game on TV once, and the box score on their website said 1100.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- Bainsey, 21:28:03 06/19/03 Thu
Most schools -- such as Maine -- used the paid attendance as their attendance mark. That includes no-shows, which may explain why some numbers look elevated.
Fewest tickets sold in terms of conference tournaments, huh? Are there still some conferences that play all tournament games at the court of the higher seed? Perhaps the conference would make/save a few bucks going this route.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- lsbal, 23:56:36 06/19/03 Thu
"The two Boston schools and Hartford are the worst. There was 200 people at a Hartford game on TV once, and the box score on their website said 1100."
Animal- I can not speak for other schools but I assume it is similar.Hartford's attendance figures are based on tickets sold. For example,I sit in the VIP section. The VIP section has a 90% sell thru for each game but maybe you see 20% of those fans showing up regularly(many are corporate owned). The only game that it was almost full this year was against BU.As a matter of fact due it was the ONLY game this year that we actually had to sit in our assigned seats. I think I was at the Hartford game that was televisd that had the attendance as 1100 and you saw only 200(I was at every home game for the past few years and there was never 200).I must admit though that there were probably only about 500 or so on that Blizzard ridden day. Hartford has about 1000-1100 base tickets sold to season ticket holders so their attendance figures will be at least that amount.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s-lsbal -- animal, 10:49:29 06/20/03 Fri
lsbal, if that is the case I have no problem with that, but the problem is some of these schools use the attendance numbers in recruiting and I don't think a kid really cares about how many tickets were sold to see him play, but how many people actually show up. I have heard about at least one school (not Hartford) using their inflated attendance numbers against one of the schools that reports numbers closer to the actual attendance.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- hoops junkie, 09:15:40 06/20/03 Fri
the schools need to do something to entice the students to come to the games. some of these schools have over 10,000 students at their university and not many attend. the talent in the league has improved from the previous two years. watch for a increase in attendance this year. does anyone have any ideas on how students can be enticed to come to the games?
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- mainejeff, 13:38:18 06/20/03 Fri
I think only certain schools will have increased attendance, and only if those teams are winning:
Vermont - They should sellout most of their games this season. I expect them to lead the way in AE attendance and average around 3,000.
Binghamton - A new arena and improving talent should help them increase to about 2,500.
Albany - Improving talent and more wins should boost them to about 2,000.
The rest of the league will be a tough sell:
Maine - It will really depend how they start out the season. Some new fans might show up in 2nd half of season to see Markwood play. Probably around 1,500-1,800.
Boston U. - St. Joe's at home should draw 2,000, other than that....same old same old. 1,000-1,400.
Hartford - They are starting to be overshadowed by their women's team. 1,000-1,200.
Stony Brook - I get the feeling that football and lacrosse will be Stony Brook's bread and butter. Basketball?...1,000-1,200.
UNH - 600-800.
NU - Football has become king, hockey is #2......500-800.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- Josh, 14:06:15 06/20/03 Fri
I agree with most of your assessment with a couple of exceptions. I think that if SB is competitive, that they'll draw considerably better than you think. As for Albany, they draw well for a couple of games, such as when the play SB or someone special from outside of the conference. As for the rest of their games, they dramatically overstate the size of their crowds. For most of their home games attendance is an embarrasment, and you can literally count the few spectators who are present.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- Dane Pound, 14:44:15 06/20/03 Fri
Interesting theory about how Albany fans flock to the RACC to see Stony Brook but I think it's a bit off. This year's Stony Brook game drew 910. Below our average attendence and one our lowest home conference games of the year. Granted the game was held on Valentine's Day which probably wasn't a good night for most guys to go to a hoop game.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- Josh, 15:52:13 06/20/03 Fri
Dane, Your average attendance if you eliminate your "Dane Growl" or whatever you call it, was 881. Other than that particular event, your biggest draw seems to have been vs Binghamton, which is listed as 1647. I have a friend who's a Binghamton alum who drove out from CT for that game, and he said that he thought there were maybe 500 people there.
Look, my point is that we should continue to nurture the rivalry between SB and Albany, and then maybe we'll be able to fill both of our arenas when we play each other.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- BUfan2, 09:34:17 06/21/03 Sat
"Boston U. - St. Joe's at home should draw 2,000, other than that....same old same old. 1,000-1,400."
I agree with this projection to a point: in addition to a good fan showing for St. Joe's, the UVM game should draw well, especially if the two teams are neck and neck for first at the time. However, I don't think we'll get 2,000 for the St. Joe's game as Case only holds 1,800, and there are (as far as I know) no plans to use Walter Brown during the regular season.
The UVM fans travel well, and I would expect a few hundred (I think about 100 or so came last year) coming this year to support the defending tournament champs. A pretty good rivalry seems to be developing between the two schools.
Also, I saw on the UMBC athletic website that their fans are projecting BU as that school's new rival (by a wide margin). If some of their fans travel, as well as more fans from other teams (this assumes if conference home attendance increases, some of these people will also go to a few away games), it should help attendance across the board.
Boston's a winner's town -- IF the Terriers make a good out-of-conference showing (maybe an upset at Michigan or BC), AND the promotions department gets its act in gear to provide fun stiff to attract students, the average BU fan attendance should increase, too.
Or maybe this is wishful thinking on my part.
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Re: Hoop attendence #s -- Dane Pound, 17:32:32 06/20/03 Fri
The players (especially the NYC area players) really seem to get this rivalry. I thought the quality of play was pretty high for both Albany-Stony Brook games last year and the one down there was a classic. You're right it's a shame there weren't more people at those games. Albany students used to love to hate Stony Brook, I don't know what happened.
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