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Subject: Re: Public Spankings


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Joey
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Date Posted: 06:08:06 09/21/25 Sun
In reply to: Gary Steven 's message, "Re: Public Spankings" on 19:35:35 09/20/25 Sat
 Gary would you tell about the bare bottom spanking from your substitute teacher?

>I can respect your opinion.
>
>but...
>
>This was 1968 not 2025 Things were a lot different
>then. We didn't have a group of college grads who
>wrote papers but never had children telling our
>parents how to raise their children. Also coming from
>a mostly rural state, namely Kentucky, things might
>have been a little different here than in other
>places.
>
>In the 50s, 60's and even the early to mid 70's
>spanking was the most widely accepted form of
>punishment, not only at home but in School, Day Cares
>and even Sunday Schools. Also public spankings were
>pretty much business as usual here.
>
>Bare bottom spanking was considered acceptable and in
>some places even in public and even at school. In fact
>in fifth grade, I got a bare bottom spanking from a
>substitute teacher for fighting in class. Followed by
>one from my Mother at home because in many households
>at that time, if you got in trouble at school, you got
>a spanking at home. Believe me or not, I saw many
>public bare bottom spankings in the 60s and early 70s
>at school, in my neighborhood, at church and in
>stores. they happened and in fact were pretty common.
>
>Unless you had visible injuries such as bruising or
>bleeding. Or internal injuries like broken bones,
>muscle tears or other soft tissue damage, spankings
>whether clothed or bare were not considered abusive.
>Now things like hair pulling, face slapping, punching,
>pinching etc... Were considered abusive, although face
>slapping was kind of a gray area. If you didn't leave
>bruises, or draw blood, you could possibly get away
>with it. Hitting anywhere above the waist was
>considered abusive hitting on the front of the body
>abusive. Again with face slapping being a gray area
>and hand smacking was considered acceptable whether it
>was the palms or back. I was beaten on my left hand in
>fourth grade with a yard stick, because I was
>ambidextrous and the teacher was mad that I would
>switch between my right and left hand when writing.
>She warned me repeatedly about switching hands and
>sometimes I would forget. She had even paddled me over
>the seat of my underwear in front of class for it
>once. One day I forgot. She came to my desk and told
>me to put my hand on it palm down. When I did, she
>grabbed my wrist and smacked the back of my hand
>repeatedly with the yardstick. I ended up with a
>nasty bruise on my left hand and my knuckles were
>skinned up. She didn't get fired or disciplined in any
>way, but she almost got her face punched in by my
>mother when she went to the school the next day.
>
>Now that I've given some background on the climate of
>the times. Let's talk about this particular incident.
>
>Again as I said this was in 1968 in Kentucky. Just a
>few months earlier, My mother got saddled with not
>only my brother and myself but my Aunts three kids,
>who for lack of a better term were all three heathens.
>My brother was also quick to get into the "fun" with
>them. It was sometime in late May after school let out
>and we all went to the Zayre Store in Danville Ky
>which at that time was a very rural area. While we
>were inside the store my Aunt and Granny wandered off
>together leaving my Mom with all five of us kids. I
>believe their reasoning was because My Aunt and her
>kids lived in a town called Liberty which is in the
>south central part of KY and We including Granny all
>lived in Elizabethtown which is in North Central KY
>near the Ohio Valley. so it's about a 70 mile drive
>between the two towns and Since Granny and Aunt Ruth
>didn't see each other often, they would wander off and
>leave Mom to keep up with the kids. After a time of
>having to chase five young heathens down, Mom reached
>that point where she was done. She found Granny and my
>Aunt, left the cart with them, handed Granny the money
>to pay for her purchases and took us to the car where
>she blistered our bare butts. In September, same
>Scenario different location. We were at the Valley
>Station Sears In Louisville KY. As we were going in,
>Once again Granny and Aunt Ruth paired off, leaving
>Mom with the kids. Mom WARNED us once that happened.
>"If you kids don't behave yourselves this time, I will
>pull down your pants and blister your bare little
>butts right here in the store in front of God and
>Everybody." She even asked us if we understood. My
>brother and I both knew from PERSONAL experience that
>it was not an empty threat because she had spanked our
>bare butts in public before and she would do it again.
>My cousins however didn't take the threat seriously
>and it wasn't long before they started acting up. Not
>wanting to be left out, My brother Paul, joined them.
>Then even though I knew what the consequences would be
>I dumb enough to join in because I gave in to the peer
>pressure. No sooner did I join in, Mom called us out.
>She sat us down on some stairs took her cart to Granny
>and then came back for us and ushered us to the shoe
>department were she did exactly what she had
>threatened to do. It was a spanking by hand on our
>bare butts. Our butts were red and stinging and it was
>really embarrassing to have been spanked like that in
>public. But in retrospect my mother was the one who
>was really abused not us kids. She was left with five
>kids who were off the chain and we ran her ragged.
>Plus she gave us AMPLE warning before we even started
>acting up what was going to happen if we did. This
>wasn't abuse, it was a case of "play stupid games, win
>stupid prizes."
>
>I never got one single spanking from my mother that I
>would consider abusive. Painful, yes. Embarrassing
>Yes. But never did I get any kind of beating from her.
>I was however, beaten by my Granny's husband really
>bad, when I was six. My mom didn't drive so a lot of
>the time, Granny would run errands for her including
>taking us to ball practices and scouts. One day after
>practice her Husband James was there to pick me up
>instead of her. I said, "Hey Grandpa, where's Granny."
>He told me to shut up and get in the truck. I started
>talking about the ball practice telling him I struck
>several boys out and he told me to shut up again. We
>pulled he started to pull out of the ball park and
>turned right instead of left. I made the mistake of
>asking where we were going. Because he was taking us
>away from my home instead of going to it. She smacked
>me hard in the face, cussed me and told me to shut up.
>We drove for a while out of town and then he pulled
>onto a State Access road. I was starting to get
>worried because I had no idea where we were. I asked
>where we were and he hit me in the face a second time
>blacking my eye. Then I started bawling and he was
>screaming at me to shut up. He pulled the truck into
>the grass, got out came around to the passenger side,
>then pushed me face down on the seat. Once he did that
>he pulled my pants and underwear off and started
>beating my butt as hard as he could screaming at me. I
>was crying so hard I couldn't breathe Then the last
>thing I remember is feeling a heavy weight pushing
>down on me and pain. I believe I know what he did at
>that time but I guess I'll never know for sure.
>because I blacked out. When I came to I was in the
>seat of his truck crying and putting my pants back on
>and he was talking in a low tone of voice telling me
>I'd better not say a word, and before he got me home,
>he pulled the truck over again, then he pulled a knife
>and threatened to kill me if I ever told anybody.
>When I finally got home he lied about why it took so
>long to get home after practice saying he had a few
>errands he had to run and even lied about taking me to
>get some ice cream. Mom noticed the bruises on my face
>and black eye and James quickly spoke up and said, You
>shoulda seen it. "He was pitching and this one boy hit
>a line drive and it caught him right in the face. It
>was so hard it knocked him down. but he got right back
>up started pitching again, like nothing happened." Mom
>looked at me and asked me if that was true and I
>nodded yes afraid to say anything. Mom asked me if I
>was hungry and I just told her I wanted to take a bath
>and go to bed because I wasn't feeling good." I spent
>most of the next day in bed and it took a few days for
>the bruises all over my butt to go away. It was also a
>couple of days before it stopped hurting to use the
>bathroom. I decided I wanted to quit baseball after
>that and never played again. It wasn't long after
>that, that my Granny and James started having a lot of
>problems and she ended up throwing him out at
>gunpoint. I didn't hear from him until years later. We
>had a confrontation after I was an adult. I worked in
>a department store and he walked up to me like we were
>still family. Talking and asking how the family was
>doing. I grabbed him and told him, "I'm not six years
>old anymore and I'm not scared of you, so how about
>you pull that knife on me again old man." Then I told
>him to get out of my store and if I ever saw him
>again, I'd kill him. I never did see him or hear from
>him after that. But I did find out he died in a
>nursing home in Louisville about fourteen years ago.
>I'll never know for sure what he did to me after I
>blacked out, but,,,
>That was abuse.
>
>The teacher smacking my hand with a yard stick till it
>was bleeding and black and blue...
>That was abuse.
>
>I had one teacher who used to degrade and verbally
>bully me on a daily basis.
>that was abuse
>
>The same aunt, I was talking about in this story,
>would whip her kids with a razor strop bare until
>their butts were raw for bringing home anything less
>than an A on their report cards. We happened to be
>there when she did it to Carmen at sixteen. She made
>her drop her panties and bend over a piano bench and
>whipped her bare butt raw.
>That was abuse.
>
>That same Aunt, whipped me with the wire part of a
>flyswatter because I wouldn't eat grits after telling
>her they made me sick. Then after whipping my bare
>butt at the table, she forced me to eat them. But at
>least I got the last laugh because I threw up all over
>her after she forced me to eat them.
>that was still abuse.
>
>A girl who lived up the street from me got whippings
>so bad from her mother she would have bruises all over
>her butt and backs of her legs and she hadn't done
>anything wrong. But her brother had gotten in trouble
>and anytime he got in trouble she would get a whipping
>too even if she wasn't there at the time. Because she
>was a year older than him and it was her job to keep
>her brother out of trouble.
>That was abuse.
>
>My best friend had fallen out of a tree house and
>broke his leg. When he was allowed to go back to
>school he was still in a cast. He had a doctor's
>excuse to allow him to either leave early or arrive to
>class late. We had an art teacher at that school who
>was actually just a coach that had to be put in a
>"teaching position" to keep his job. So since he could
>actually draw and paint, they made him an Art Teacher.
>He was a bully and would paddle kids, especially boys
>for no reason. My friend came to class on crutches
>late with the note. The teacher took his note, tore it
>up and threw it in the trash and got his paddle out
>which was shaped like a giant hand and beat my friend
>so bad it rebroke his leg. That teacher lost his job
>and the school settled on the medical bills.
>That was abuse.
>
>I spent a week with a friend of mine in Frankfort when
>I was eleven. He got in trouble because he didn't make
>up his bed, His mother was drunk at the time and she
>made him strip naked in front of me and whipped him
>back and blue. That was the last time I ever went to
>see them.
>That was abuse.
>
>Over the years I have known and in some cases worked
>with as a volunteer and in one case even fostered kids
>who were beaten, and even SA'd
>they were really abused.
>
>So I've given you a few examples of real child abuse.
>Both that I have experienced and other people I've
>known who were abused. Somehow a bare bottom spanking
>by hand in the shoe department in a department store
>doesn't really register as abuse to me.
>
>Also, spankings and all. I had a great relationship
>with my parents. Yes they were strict. But they were
>always there for me, even as an adult. They became a
>lot more than just my parents. They became friends.
>We'd hang out, play cards and have a lot of fun. In
>the real world, I'm retired both from working and a
>semi-retired musician. My parents were my biggest
>fans. They went to my shows all the time. Bought my
>music and Dad even put up some of the money I needed
>to get new PA equipment for my band. Which I paid back
>with interest even though he tried to refuse the
>money. I would take my Mom out on "Dates" to go see
>some of the musicians who were my friends from all
>over the world. She loved music and even played
>herself. Many of them called her their "Kentucky
>Mama" and she loved them like they were her own kids.
>I lost her twelve years ago and my dad three and I
>miss them every single day.
>
>I apologize if this reply comes off as preachy or even
>adversarial, but I guess you can say, I get a little
>defensive when It comes to my family. I'll just say
>that maybe you and I have differing opinions on what's
>abusive and what isn't. Would I have spanked one of
>my kids like that in public? No. While I did spank my
>kids, I never once spanked them in public. Would I do
>it to my grand kids? NO. My job as their Papa is to
>love and spoil them not discipline them. That job
>falls to my daughter and son in law.
>
>Times have changed since I was a kid. Especially since
>now everybody is running around with a phone or tablet
>in hand, ready to snap pics or shoot vid for content
>to post on social media. Knowing that, I think any
>parent spanking a child in public either clothed or
>bare is reckless. Even taking them to a public
>restroom to spank them is risky business. If you spank
>a child in public or even semi-public you run the risk
>of having that spanking posted all over social media.
>
>Carol, I'll end this by saying, you and I along with
>everybody else are each entitled to our opinions. Have
>a nice evening.
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