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Subject: Re: A question for the moms


Author:
spelvin
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Date Posted: 15:01:20 01/17/26 Sat
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In reply to: Philip 's message, "A question for the moms" on 19:29:46 01/16/26 Fri

It seems to be commonly agreed that nudity is a prelude to the sexual act.
But could it also be a prelude to parental affection?
At one time in our prehistoric past, we shed our fur and replaced that fur with clothes.
That didn’t change our instincts any.
Children go right on wanting to hug naked parents
and parents go right on wanting to hug naked children.

I don’t know if Higonnet (1998: 58) shares my evolutionary theory, but she sees “The Child’s Bath” by Mary Cassatt as expressing “the everyday comfort a mother and a daughter take in each other’s bodies; contacts between maternal flesh and child flesh create the central axis of the image.”

Higonnet (1998: 127) also claims that parents in Victorian England openly enjoyed seeing their children nude.
Parents today would probably express similar feelings if it were not for the witch hunt.

When a photographer takes a picture of a nude child,
it is tempting to say that the photographer is churning out child pornography.
But let us not be so quick,
Ron Oliver is a photographer who specializes in nude children,
and his specialty has caused him an enormous amount of trouble.
Yet he has received commissions from parents all over the world to photograph their children (Childhood in Art 2000).
Josh Sturges is photographer in the same specialty,
who has likewise fallen into legal trouble.
Both photographers have taken pictures in which a naked child is in the arms of a naked parent.
Now try to wank over a picture like that!

Childhood in Art. 2000. Ron Oliver.
https://www.childhoodinart.org/person.php?name=Ron-Oliver

Higonnet, A. 1998. Pictures of innocence: The history and crisis of ideal childhood. London: Thames and Hudson.

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Philip
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Date Posted: 20:20:44 01/17/26 Sat
Author Host/IP: 99.20.103.210

>It seems to be commonly agreed that nudity is a
>prelude to the sexual act.
>But could it also be a prelude to parental affection?
>At one time in our prehistoric past, we shed our fur
>and replaced that fur with clothes.
>That didn’t change our instincts any.
>Children go right on wanting to hug naked parents
>and parents go right on wanting to hug naked children.
>
>I don’t know if Higonnet (1998: 58) shares my
>evolutionary theory, but she sees “The Child’s
>Bath” by Mary Cassatt as expressing “the everyday
>comfort a mother and a daughter take in each other’s
>bodies; contacts between maternal flesh and child
>flesh create the central axis of the image.”
>
>Higonnet (1998: 127) also claims that parents in
>Victorian England openly enjoyed seeing their children
>nude.
>Parents today would probably express similar feelings
>if it were not for the witch hunt.
>
>When a photographer takes a picture of a nude child,
>it is tempting to say that the photographer is
>churning out child pornography.
>But let us not be so quick,
>Ron Oliver is a photographer who specializes in nude
>children,
>and his specialty has caused him an enormous amount of
>trouble.
>Yet he has received commissions from parents all over
>the world to photograph their children (Childhood in
>Art 2000).
>Josh Sturges is photographer in the same specialty,
>who has likewise fallen into legal trouble.
>Both photographers have taken pictures in which a
>naked child is in the arms of a naked parent.
>Now try to wank over a picture like that!
>
>Childhood in Art. 2000. Ron Oliver.
>https://www.childhoodinart.org/person.php?name=Ron-Oliv
>er
>
>Higonnet, A. 1998. Pictures of innocence: The history
>and crisis of ideal childhood. London: Thames and
>Hudson.

Thanks to everyone who responded. I thought this might be some maternal form of connection I was missing the context for. I will speak to my son about being more open with bio mom as he feels comfortable. Her being back in their lives is a more recent thing and I think there needs to be more patience given from both sides. Cheers!

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Author:
Jayne
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Date Posted: 21:51:14 01/17/26 Sat
Author Host/IP: 148.252.149.226

>>It seems to be commonly agreed that nudity is a
>>prelude to the sexual act.
>>But could it also be a prelude to parental affection?
>
>>At one time in our prehistoric past, we shed our fur
>>and replaced that fur with clothes.
>>That didn’t change our instincts any.
>>Children go right on wanting to hug naked parents
>>and parents go right on wanting to hug naked children.
>>
>>I don’t know if Higonnet (1998: 58) shares my
>>evolutionary theory, but she sees “The Child’s
>>Bath” by Mary Cassatt as expressing “the everyday
>>comfort a mother and a daughter take in each other’s
>>bodies; contacts between maternal flesh and child
>>flesh create the central axis of the image.”
>>
>>Higonnet (1998: 127) also claims that parents in
>>Victorian England openly enjoyed seeing their children
>>nude.
>>Parents today would probably express similar feelings
>>if it were not for the witch hunt.
>>
>>When a photographer takes a picture of a nude child,
>>it is tempting to say that the photographer is
>>churning out child pornography.
>>But let us not be so quick,
>>Ron Oliver is a photographer who specializes in nude
>>children,
>>and his specialty has caused him an enormous amount of
>>trouble.
>>Yet he has received commissions from parents all over
>>the world to photograph their children (Childhood in
>>Art 2000).
>>Josh Sturges is photographer in the same specialty,
>>who has likewise fallen into legal trouble.
>>Both photographers have taken pictures in which a
>>naked child is in the arms of a naked parent.
>>Now try to wank over a picture like that!
>>
>>Childhood in Art. 2000. Ron Oliver.
>>https://www.childhoodinart.org/person.php?name=Ron-Oli
>v
>>er
>>
>>Higonnet, A. 1998. Pictures of innocence: The history
>>and crisis of ideal childhood. London: Thames and
>>Hudson.
>
>Thanks to everyone who responded. I thought this might
>be some maternal form of connection I was missing the
>context for. I will speak to my son about being more
>open with bio mom as he feels comfortable. Her being
>back in their lives is a more recent thing and I think
>there needs to be more patience given from both sides.
> Cheers!

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