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] Date Posted:19:29:46 01/16/26 Fri Author Host/IP: 99.20.103.210
Came across this site while Googling. It looks like there are some women/moms on here that might be able to answer this question, because I'm stumped.
I am divorced and remarried. My current wife has been in my children's lives since they were 5, 3, and 1. Their bio mom has struggled with mental and substance issues and has always been in and out of their lives. She is doing better now and the kids, 14, 12, and 10 currently, stay with her a few days a month. Bio mom has some jealousy toward my current wife and her role in the kids lives.
Bio mom recently took my 14 year old son for his yearly checkup. Once there, my son refused to let bio mom go back to the exam room. He actually took the option of having a medical assistant present over his mother with my permission by phone. Bio mom was hurt, furious, and blamed my current wife.
Bio mom called me later in tears telling me that she and my son argued about it all the way home. They were still arguing as they came in the door when my two younger daughters asked my son, "what's the big deal, mum (my current wife is British) sees you naked all the time".
Bio mom was really crying at this point because that's when "she knew" my son loved my current wife more than her. That my current wife was his mother, not her.
I told all of this to my wife later and she just gave me a knowing nod like she got it. I don't get it. Why was the issue of nudity and comfortableness the aha factor in this?
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Date Posted:20:05:52 01/16/26 Fri Author Host/IP: 148.252.158.24
I actually found it very much the opposite.It took me months of persuasion before my stepson would allow me to bath him.
Date Posted:21:10:27 01/16/26 Fri Author Host/IP: 99.20.103.210
>I actually found it very much the opposite.It took me
>months of persuasion before my stepson would allow me
>to bath him.
I do remember it being that way years ago when she first came into our lives, but she soon won the kids over and they enjoyed her mothering. I was just confused on the statements from bio mom regarding "now she knows" he loves his stepmom and not her. Since this was a nudity forum I thought someone might understand what the comfortableness with nudity signifies to a mother? For bio mom, this is definitive proof she is a distant second to my wife as a mother figure.
Date Posted:00:38:07 01/17/26 Sat Author Host/IP: 148.252.158.24
>Came across this site while Googling. It looks like
>there are some women/moms on here that might be able
>to answer this question, because I'm stumped.
>
>I am divorced and remarried. My current wife has been
>in my children's lives since they were 5, 3, and 1.
>Their bio mom has struggled with mental and substance
>issues and has always been in and out of their lives.
>She is doing better now and the kids, 14, 12, and 10
>currently, stay with her a few days a month. Bio mom
>has some jealousy toward my current wife and her role
>in the kids lives.
>
>Bio mom recently took my 14 year old son for his
>yearly checkup. Once there, my son refused to let bio
>mom go back to the exam room. He actually took the
>option of having a medical assistant present over his
>mother with my permission by phone. Bio mom was hurt,
>furious, and blamed my current wife.
>
>Bio mom called me later in tears telling me that she
>and my son argued about it all the way home. They were
>still arguing as they came in the door when my two
>younger daughters asked my son, "what's the big deal,
>mum (my current wife is British) sees you naked all
>the time".
>
>Bio mom was really crying at this point because that's
>when "she knew" my son loved my current wife more than
>her. That my current wife was his mother, not her.
>
>I told all of this to my wife later and she just gave
>me a knowing nod like she got it. I don't get it. Why
>was the issue of nudity and comfortableness the aha
>factor in this?
Date Posted:09:39:53 01/17/26 Sat Author Host/IP: 24.57.206.80
>Came across this site while Googling. It looks like
>there are some women/moms on here that might be able
>to answer this question, because I'm stumped.
>
>I am divorced and remarried. My current wife has been
>in my children's lives since they were 5, 3, and 1.
>Their bio mom has struggled with mental and substance
>issues and has always been in and out of their lives.
>She is doing better now and the kids, 14, 12, and 10
>currently, stay with her a few days a month. Bio mom
>has some jealousy toward my current wife and her role
>in the kids lives.
>
>Bio mom recently took my 14 year old son for his
>yearly checkup. Once there, my son refused to let bio
>mom go back to the exam room. He actually took the
>option of having a medical assistant present over his
>mother with my permission by phone. Bio mom was hurt,
>furious, and blamed my current wife.
>
>Bio mom called me later in tears telling me that she
>and my son argued about it all the way home. They were
>still arguing as they came in the door when my two
>younger daughters asked my son, "what's the big deal,
>mum (my current wife is British) sees you naked all
>the time".
>
>Bio mom was really crying at this point because that's
>when "she knew" my son loved my current wife more than
>her. That my current wife was his mother, not her.
>
>I told all of this to my wife later and she just gave
>me a knowing nod like she got it. I don't get it. Why
>was the issue of nudity and comfortableness the aha
>factor in this?
It could be because the bio mom hadn't seen your son naked or even partially naked in some time, whereas your current wife has seen him naked on many occasions.
Therefore with his bio mom he could feel like she is a stranger seeing him naked.
Maybe you could/should ask your son about this issue.
Date Posted:15:01:20 01/17/26 Sat Author Host/IP: 72.78.201.247
It seems to be commonly agreed that nudity is a prelude to the sexual act.
But could it also be a prelude to parental affection?
At one time in our prehistoric past, we shed our fur and replaced that fur with clothes.
That didn’t change our instincts any.
Children go right on wanting to hug naked parents
and parents go right on wanting to hug naked children.
I don’t know if Higonnet (1998: 58) shares my evolutionary theory, but she sees “The Child’s Bath” by Mary Cassatt as expressing “the everyday comfort a mother and a daughter take in each other’s bodies; contacts between maternal flesh and child flesh create the central axis of the image.”
Higonnet (1998: 127) also claims that parents in Victorian England openly enjoyed seeing their children nude.
Parents today would probably express similar feelings if it were not for the witch hunt.
When a photographer takes a picture of a nude child,
it is tempting to say that the photographer is churning out child pornography.
But let us not be so quick,
Ron Oliver is a photographer who specializes in nude children,
and his specialty has caused him an enormous amount of trouble.
Yet he has received commissions from parents all over the world to photograph their children (Childhood in Art 2000).
Josh Sturges is photographer in the same specialty,
who has likewise fallen into legal trouble.
Both photographers have taken pictures in which a naked child is in the arms of a naked parent.
Now try to wank over a picture like that!
Date Posted:20:20:44 01/17/26 Sat Author Host/IP: 99.20.103.210
>It seems to be commonly agreed that nudity is a
>prelude to the sexual act.
>But could it also be a prelude to parental affection?
>At one time in our prehistoric past, we shed our fur
>and replaced that fur with clothes.
>That didn’t change our instincts any.
>Children go right on wanting to hug naked parents
>and parents go right on wanting to hug naked children.
>
>I don’t know if Higonnet (1998: 58) shares my
>evolutionary theory, but she sees “The Child’s
>Bath” by Mary Cassatt as expressing “the everyday
>comfort a mother and a daughter take in each other’s
>bodies; contacts between maternal flesh and child
>flesh create the central axis of the image.”
>
>Higonnet (1998: 127) also claims that parents in
>Victorian England openly enjoyed seeing their children
>nude.
>Parents today would probably express similar feelings
>if it were not for the witch hunt.
>
>When a photographer takes a picture of a nude child,
>it is tempting to say that the photographer is
>churning out child pornography.
>But let us not be so quick,
>Ron Oliver is a photographer who specializes in nude
>children,
>and his specialty has caused him an enormous amount of
>trouble.
>Yet he has received commissions from parents all over
>the world to photograph their children (Childhood in
>Art 2000).
>Josh Sturges is photographer in the same specialty,
>who has likewise fallen into legal trouble.
>Both photographers have taken pictures in which a
>naked child is in the arms of a naked parent.
>Now try to wank over a picture like that!
>
>Childhood in Art. 2000. Ron Oliver.
>https://www.childhoodinart.org/person.php?name=Ron-Oliv
>er
>
>Higonnet, A. 1998. Pictures of innocence: The history
>and crisis of ideal childhood. London: Thames and
>Hudson.
Thanks to everyone who responded. I thought this might be some maternal form of connection I was missing the context for. I will speak to my son about being more open with bio mom as he feels comfortable. Her being back in their lives is a more recent thing and I think there needs to be more patience given from both sides. Cheers!
Date Posted:21:51:14 01/17/26 Sat Author Host/IP: 148.252.149.226
>>It seems to be commonly agreed that nudity is a
>>prelude to the sexual act.
>>But could it also be a prelude to parental affection?
>
>>At one time in our prehistoric past, we shed our fur
>>and replaced that fur with clothes.
>>That didn’t change our instincts any.
>>Children go right on wanting to hug naked parents
>>and parents go right on wanting to hug naked children.
>>
>>I don’t know if Higonnet (1998: 58) shares my
>>evolutionary theory, but she sees “The Child’s
>>Bath” by Mary Cassatt as expressing “the everyday
>>comfort a mother and a daughter take in each other’s
>>bodies; contacts between maternal flesh and child
>>flesh create the central axis of the image.”
>>
>>Higonnet (1998: 127) also claims that parents in
>>Victorian England openly enjoyed seeing their children
>>nude.
>>Parents today would probably express similar feelings
>>if it were not for the witch hunt.
>>
>>When a photographer takes a picture of a nude child,
>>it is tempting to say that the photographer is
>>churning out child pornography.
>>But let us not be so quick,
>>Ron Oliver is a photographer who specializes in nude
>>children,
>>and his specialty has caused him an enormous amount of
>>trouble.
>>Yet he has received commissions from parents all over
>>the world to photograph their children (Childhood in
>>Art 2000).
>>Josh Sturges is photographer in the same specialty,
>>who has likewise fallen into legal trouble.
>>Both photographers have taken pictures in which a
>>naked child is in the arms of a naked parent.
>>Now try to wank over a picture like that!
>>
>>Childhood in Art. 2000. Ron Oliver.
>>https://www.childhoodinart.org/person.php?name=Ron-Oli
>v
>>er
>>
>>Higonnet, A. 1998. Pictures of innocence: The history
>>and crisis of ideal childhood. London: Thames and
>>Hudson.
>
>Thanks to everyone who responded. I thought this might
>be some maternal form of connection I was missing the
>context for. I will speak to my son about being more
>open with bio mom as he feels comfortable. Her being
>back in their lives is a more recent thing and I think
>there needs to be more patience given from both sides.
> Cheers!
Date Posted:03:10:32 01/18/26 Sun Author Host/IP: 89.247.33.198
Here my son 8 loves being examined. He often asks for it so he gets a whole bodychek once or twice a month.
He really enjoys it.
Date Posted:12:58:40 01/18/26 Sun Author Host/IP: 24.57.206.80
>Here my son 8 loves being examined. He often asks for
>it so he gets a whole bodychek once or twice a month.
>He really enjoys it.
What is involved in a "whole bodychek"?
Does it have anything to do with seeing if he reacts to some stimulation, and if certain body parts react to being stimulated?
Date Posted:01:08:01 01/26/26 Mon Author Host/IP: 89.247.32.164
The full-body check includes a thorough examination, function check and cleaning/rinsing of all bodily orifices, blood pressure measurement and sweating on the treadmill. Even though it can be a little uncomfortable at times, he always asks for it. After showering, there is a thorough body massage with baby oil.
Date Posted:14:04:43 01/18/26 Sun Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31
When I was a boy 8-10 I was in at risk home, and then in foster home with foster mom from 10-17. I had what was called comprehensive health assessments. Full body checks were part of on going agency health screenings or a check then chat approach. The screening was done in briefs or nude then a long chat alone with her. Once in awhile they did spot checks at home too. It was all rather routine and front door was not lockeed or even open. It wasnt a big deal for boys to be home in briefs or nude back then like oit would be today.
Date Posted:06:32:52 01/18/26 Sun Author Host/IP: 72.78.201.247
Philip, thank you for starting this thread
and opening me up to some new insights.
Now that I think about it,
nudity could convey a lot of messages besides "come have sex with me."
My first realization, as I expressed yesterday,
was that it could mean "come hug me."
Although our prehistoric forefathers did not have bathtubs, soap, or shampoo,
they must have washed their children some other way.
So that's why adults respond accordingly when a child's nudity says "come wash me."
Like many other nasty-minded adults,
I have been unable to interpret the nudity of any person,
young or old, as meaning anything but "come have sex with me,"
so I wondered why sane and orderly parents take pictures of their children in the bathtub.
Now I know.
I am sorry that Jayne has been rejected,
and I am glad that she has finally been accepted.
Although our prehistoric forefathers did not have thermometers and stethoscopes,
they must have examined their children some other way.
So that's why adults respond accordingly when a child's nudity says "come examine me."
I am sorry that Bio Mom has been rejected,
I am glad that Step Mom has been accepted,
and I am glad Brenda is being accepted.
Conversely, a child can look cute by being all bundled up.
I don't know about you, but I think turtle necks look cute on children,
because that assures that the child is bundled all the way up to the neck.
Children in loose clothing look cute to me too.
Our prehistoric forefathers did not have blankets and pillows from Walmart,
but they had wild animal hides.
The parents who thought their children looked cute bundled in animal hides were the ones who adequately provided for their children at nighttime,
and consequently became the parents of strong and healthy offspring,
and consequently passed their genes down to us.
A child treated thus is saying
That is why Wendy the Good Little Witch looked cute:
Date Posted:19:15:46 01/18/26 Sun Author Host/IP: 99.20.103.210
>Philip, thank you for starting this thread
>and opening me up to some new insights.
>
>Now that I think about it,
>nudity could convey a lot of messages besides "come
>have sex with me."
>My first realization, as I expressed yesterday,
>was that it could mean "come hug me."
>
>Although our prehistoric forefathers did not have
>bathtubs, soap, or shampoo,
>they must have washed their children some other way.
>So that's why adults respond accordingly when a
>child's nudity says "come wash me."
>Like many other nasty-minded adults,
>I have been unable to interpret the nudity of any
>person,
>young or old, as meaning anything but "come have sex
>with me,"
>so I wondered why sane and orderly parents take
>pictures of their children in the bathtub.
>Now I know.
>
>I am sorry that Jayne has been rejected,
>and I am glad that she has finally been accepted.
>
>Although our prehistoric forefathers did not have
>thermometers and stethoscopes,
>they must have examined their children some other way.
>So that's why adults respond accordingly when a
>child's nudity says "come examine me."
>
>I am sorry that Bio Mom has been rejected,
>I am glad that Step Mom has been accepted,
>and I am glad Brenda is being accepted.
>
>Conversely, a child can look cute by being all bundled
>up.
>I don't know about you, but I think turtle necks look
>cute on children,
>because that assures that the child is bundled all the
>way up to the neck.
>Children in loose clothing look cute to me too.
>
>Our prehistoric forefathers did not have blankets and
>pillows from Walmart,
>but they had wild animal hides.
>The parents who thought their children looked cute
>bundled in animal hides were the ones who adequately
>provided for their children at nighttime,
>and consequently became the parents of strong and
>healthy offspring,
>and consequently passed their genes down to us.
>A child treated thus is saying
>
>That is why Wendy the Good Little Witch looked cute:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_the_Good_Little_Wit
>ch
I am looking at things differently as well. After the divorce from bio mom and before meeting my current wife, I dated a woman with a twelve year old son. The boy was very hostile and jealous toward me. I made every effort to befriend the kid but he was having none of it. His mom soon began to have behavioral problems with him as he would hang on her and wanted hugs all the time. He also began to walk around nude in the house to the point that she would have to reprimand him and insist he got dressed. I have to say I didn't handle it well. I didn't understand what was going on but knew the situation was one I wanted no part of. I made excuses to end the relationship and got out of Dodge. I now see that this was a fear on her sons part of loosing a bond and connection with his mother. I would be much more understanding today.
Date Posted:19:26:57 01/22/26 Thu Author Host/IP: 99.20.103.210
>>Philip, thank you for starting this thread
>>and opening me up to some new insights.
>>
>>Now that I think about it,
>>nudity could convey a lot of messages besides "come
>>have sex with me."
>>My first realization, as I expressed yesterday,
>>was that it could mean "come hug me."
>>
>>Although our prehistoric forefathers did not have
>>bathtubs, soap, or shampoo,
>>they must have washed their children some other way.
>>So that's why adults respond accordingly when a
>>child's nudity says "come wash me."
>>Like many other nasty-minded adults,
>>I have been unable to interpret the nudity of any
>>person,
>>young or old, as meaning anything but "come have sex
>>with me,"
>>so I wondered why sane and orderly parents take
>>pictures of their children in the bathtub.
>>Now I know.
>>
>>I am sorry that Jayne has been rejected,
>>and I am glad that she has finally been accepted.
>>
>>Although our prehistoric forefathers did not have
>>thermometers and stethoscopes,
>>they must have examined their children some other way.
>>So that's why adults respond accordingly when a
>>child's nudity says "come examine me."
>>
>>I am sorry that Bio Mom has been rejected,
>>I am glad that Step Mom has been accepted,
>>and I am glad Brenda is being accepted.
>>
>>Conversely, a child can look cute by being all bundled
>>up.
>>I don't know about you, but I think turtle necks look
>>cute on children,
>>because that assures that the child is bundled all the
>>way up to the neck.
>>Children in loose clothing look cute to me too.
>>
>>Our prehistoric forefathers did not have blankets and
>>pillows from Walmart,
>>but they had wild animal hides.
>>The parents who thought their children looked cute
>>bundled in animal hides were the ones who adequately
>>provided for their children at nighttime,
>>and consequently became the parents of strong and
>>healthy offspring,
>>and consequently passed their genes down to us.
>>A child treated thus is saying
>>
>>That is why Wendy the Good Little Witch looked cute:
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_the_Good_Little_Wi
>t
>>ch
>
>
>I am looking at things differently as well. After the
>divorce from bio mom and before meeting my current
>wife, I dated a woman with a twelve year old son. The
>boy was very hostile and jealous toward me. I made
>every effort to befriend the kid but he was having
>none of it. His mom soon began to have behavioral
>problems with him as he would hang on her and wanted
>hugs all the time. He also began to walk around nude
>in the house to the point that she would have to
>reprimand him and insist he got dressed. I have to say
>I didn't handle it well. I didn't understand what was
>going on but knew the situation was one I wanted no
>part of. I made excuses to end the relationship and
>got out of Dodge. I now see that this was a fear on
>her sons part of loosing a bond and connection with
>his mother. I would be much more understanding today.
I wanted to stop back by and give an update to close this thread. I took the advice of several posters and spoke to my son directly about the issue. As some wise posters indicated, he didn't want to take his clothes off in front of a lady he barely knew even if she was his biological mother. My wife and I have decided that the best way to handle this issue and others that are similar will be for my wife to continue doing all the motherly things she has always done. Bio mom will have to carve out her own role in the kids life herself. Our family life will continue on as is. Unfortunately there has been some damage with bio mom. It took my son's rejection regarding the nudity issue to bring it home to her that her kids really don't know her. She will have to work on that herself. Thanks again for the great advice!
Date Posted:19:47:38 01/23/26 Fri Author Host/IP: 91.132.138.230
>Came across this site while Googling. It looks like
>there are some women/moms on here that might be able
>to answer this question, because I'm stumped.
>
>I am divorced and remarried. My current wife has been
>in my children's lives since they were 5, 3, and 1.
>Their bio mom has struggled with mental and substance
>issues and has always been in and out of their lives.
>She is doing better now and the kids, 14, 12, and 10
>currently, stay with her a few days a month. Bio mom
>has some jealousy toward my current wife and her role
>in the kids lives.
>
>Bio mom recently took my 14 year old son for his
>yearly checkup. Once there, my son refused to let bio
>mom go back to the exam room. He actually took the
>option of having a medical assistant present over his
>mother with my permission by phone. Bio mom was hurt,
>furious, and blamed my current wife.
>
>Bio mom called me later in tears telling me that she
>and my son argued about it all the way home. They were
>still arguing as they came in the door when my two
>younger daughters asked my son, "what's the big deal,
>mum (my current wife is British) sees you naked all
>the time".
>
>Bio mom was really crying at this point because that's
>when "she knew" my son loved my current wife more than
>her. That my current wife was his mother, not her.
>
>I told all of this to my wife later and she just gave
>me a knowing nod like she got it. I don't get it. Why
>was the issue of nudity and comfortableness the aha
>factor in this?
Hi Phillip,
I am going to say regarding your Ex wife's reaction this may not have anything to do with the nudity itself, she may just be upset over the fact that she is losing complete control over her son. The funny thing is, this is not even due to your son's bonding with your current wife, it's just a natural part of kids getting older. Can I ask if your ex was somewhat of a control freak?
My mother was a control freak, and she had similar reactions when I attempted to assert independence in my pre teen and teenage years. The guilt tactic of "you doing this means you don't love me anymore was used by my mother very often."
If you think this is the case I implore you to do several things.
1) Please talk with your son and explain he did nothing wrong. Let him know that as he is getting older, decisions like this one, especially ones concerning his body, are his to make. Explain that his mother (your ex wife) has problems with giving up control to other people and he should not feel guilty in making decisions that are best for him despite her attempts.
2) In any future conflicts like this, look at the situation, and if you agree with your son please support his side. My own father did the "I know your right, but it's easier to just go along with your mother" and the effects of both being controlled by one parent and not supported by the other have caused lifelong damage.
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