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Date Posted: 07:13:47 02/16/11 Wed
Author: BC
Subject: re: MPG's

I'm not certain as to what the average "MPG" of a motorcycle might be ...
but, I believe it would have to be much more cost effecient per gallon than my "4 Runner" which is currently averaging around 18 mpg?!
- one good thing - it's paid for (even though there are no guarantees as to how much "life" remains in the engine? - 180,000 miles and counting! :)

School buses average around 12 mpg ...
- but the larger ones can carry ...
- when loaded to capacity ...
- 72 passengers at a time.

I imagine "Louise" and those like her will become even more "appealing" if the cost per gallon of fuel reaches the projected high of $5.00 per gallon by the end of 2011?!

My supervisor drives a "Smart Car" ...
- one of my co-workers described it as looking something akin to a "roller skate"?!
- I guess maybe it does when sitting alongside all the school buses on the lot?! :)
- but, I think the "Smart Cars" are "kinda cool" - even though they might take some getting used to after driving a larger vehicle for so many years.
*** on the rear of my supervisor's car is a tag which reads "My other car is a school bus" ! :)
- BC

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[> Re: re: MPG's -- stewart, 12:02:14 02/16/11 Wed

Well my average on the bike is around 35mpg. You have to understand because it is high performance you could really get a lot more if you don't twist your wrist too hard:). However the equivalent 0-60mph in three seconds in the fastest ferrari is a lot more gas. I've heard as much as 30-40percent of the price of oil is speculative. As long as oil companies can invest in hedge funds they can play both sides of the fence . Claiming on one hand they have nothing to do with the price of oil. Yet on the other making huge profits by divesting into funds, that as a component, make their money by hedging commodity prices. Yes four runners do suck at gas mileage. All that hardware made to last unfortunately weighs a lot. So as my father would often say," What you win on the roundabout you lose on the swings".It's an old playground reference but hopefully you get the drift. Each one of these oil "adventures" however does drive technology to innovate and people to conserve. That will never be a bad thing. The sooner we invent ourselves away from the archaic oil spiggot the better. No incentive imaginable beats the dollar and dollar pain will indeed drive inventive gain. The irony is this oil dependent lesson was firmly learned a long time ago. It was just deemed too expensive and not profitable for companies to ever fully expand research, or vehicle development, away from that which was/is relatively cheap. How do you incentivize a company that makes its profits from gas to promote other technologies? Only by making it's product irrelevant in the marketplace will that ever happen. Whilst our vehicles increasingly become our only cocoons from the ever encroaching traffic/society mess we will continue to have a love affair with the car. I love cars, especially fast ones. However that love makes no sense in todays world. I see car making technology is at last trying and I support the volt, prius,leaf,et al and until I can afford one I'll do my two wheeled part whenever I can.Love on ya Stewart


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[> [> "thank you" -- BC, 18:16:54 02/16/11 Wed

on a more serious note ...
- just wanted to say "thank you" for your insights on this and other topics.
- BC

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[> Re: re: MPG's -- BC, 17:29:22 02/16/11 Wed

- what's the motorcyle equivalent of a "lead foot" ?! :)
- you sound very much like my younger son in regards to "take off"! :)
- I've often recommended that he take his "need for speed" to the race track 'cause he would win "hands down" / "no contest"
- "Louise" doesn't race does "she" ?!
- like I said, I hope you two have fun - but, be safe!

I'm very contented with my "4-Runner" ...
but, I'm a fan of the "muscle cars" ...
- given a choice of any car on the lot
- this is the kind of car I'd like to have ...
- a '69 Camaro!
- BC :)
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[> Re: re: MPG's -- HeatherM, 19:10:51 02/16/11 Wed

BC, I've seen a few smart cars driving on the highway. I'd feel nervous in such a small car. My scion Xa is small and great on gas, averaging 35 mpg. I don't drive a lot, mainly to school, the stores and doctor apoointments. I fill up the tank every 2 1/2 weeks. :) Sadly my car doesn't have a name.

Just me being silly, but I wonder if we will ever have hovercraft cars like the ones in Back to the Future part 2. Or maybe we can invent ways to teleport ourselves like on Star Trek.

Bridget
Heather


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[> [> Honda scooter -- Debbie S., 19:22:41 02/16/11 Wed

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My little ole 1985 Honda Aero 50 gets around 43 MPG in town. Vroooom, vrooom! LOL!

Debbie S.


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[> [> re: MPG's-@Heather -- BC, 07:25:20 02/17/11 Thu

I agree with ya in that navigating through heavy traffic in a Smart Car could be a little un-nerving at times. Just the thought of being involved in a collision with a larger / heavier vehicle while driving one is not a good feeling at all! My supervisor is a school bus driver at heart though, so he's very aware of his surroundings while driving, and I'm confident in his ability to avoid - as much as possible - potentially dangerous situations.

Now my younger son would absolutely love the chance to drive a hovercraft! It would afford him both "speed" and "flight" - simultaneously! :)
You know I'm a "trekkie" - but, I'd need some sort of guarantee that all my "molecules" would be transported without being "re-arranged" - or possibly having some "lost in the translation"! :)

For dependability, you can't beat a Toyota - at least in my opinion! I really like the Scions! And, you definitely can't complain about that kind of gas mileage?!
- BC

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[> [> re: Honda scooter-@ Debbie S. -- BC, 07:30:45 02/17/11 Thu

Well, I think your "Aero" is "very cool" indeed Deb!
25 years old and 43 mpg - a "sporty combo" pkg I must say! :)
Are Casper and Tizzy "biker dogs" ?! :)
- BC

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[> Re: re: MPG's -- AnnW, 20:56:16 02/16/11 Wed

Hi ya BC!
My F350 gets 20+ but, with diesel as high as premium petrol, I'm looking for other means of trans when at all possible. Prius seems to be the wave of the future here in NW Washington. Likewise, if I could afford one I'd be on board. A friend owns one and I love the ride. I call it his stealth car as it's so very quiet. Amazing don't ya think, what we can do if becomes now.
Chad


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[> [> re: MPG's-@ AnnW -- BC, 07:47:24 02/17/11 Thu

Hi there AnnW! :)
I guess I can say this without someone thinking I'm a bit "strange" ...
but, I absolutely LOVE the sound of a diesel engine!:)
- compared to my "4 Runner" and considering the size of a "350" I'd say 20 mpg is very good wouldn't you?!
Diesel is expensive - but, it's a school bus driver's "cologne"! :)

I like just about every model of Toyota there is! And, Prius is a very nice mode of transportation!
It is kinda "stealthy" isn't it?!

It's good to hear from you again Ann! :)
- BC

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[> Re: re: MPG's -- Valerie, 21:58:19 02/16/11 Wed

The husby jokingly has a theory that soon all cars will be outlawed except the Smart Car and when they crash, well, it'll be like two bicycles crashing into each other.
We're a Hyundai family because they do get great gas mileage and my family has a tendency to be sort of nomadic. We don't seem to like to stay in one place for too long and we're spread all out over the country! I think driving from the midwest to the northeast maybe cost us $40 in gas one way and that was it. And that was around Christmas, too, when the prices conveniently begin to creep up. It was interesting to see the fluctuating gas prices as we drove through the different states. Gas was more expensive in places like Ohio than in Massachusetts, which was surprising.
I agree, we have become far too dependent on oil. It's insane how much we rely on the stuff! I'm fascinated by the other fuel sources out there that are underdeveloped for a variety of reasons, most of them involving money...and the government.
Anyway, all this motorcycle talk is making me jealousss! I've wanted one (or at least a fun scooter like Debbie's) for about 10 years now. My goal is to get one by the time I'm 40. ;-) I have good friends back home that spent pennies on fuel with their bikes compared to what I poured into my car. Seems to me that it's worth it if you can get one - and operate it successfully!


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[> [> re: MPG's @ Valerie -- BC, 08:06:56 02/17/11 Thu

The image - of a Smart Car Only "pile up" - does seem a little less threatening Valerie! :)
Our family is a bit more "centrally located" ...
but, I love to drive ...
and, if I could travel that distance on $40 - it would be very difficult to keep me at home on weekends and during the holidays! :)

And, I love motorcyles! :)
- guess I take that back after my Dad?! :)
I loved riding tandem with him when I was younger!
- but, I think to sit on the "back seat" requires a lot of confidence in the one drivin' ?! :)
I bought the motorcyle I have now just a bit after I turned 50 ...
but, I'm gonna "down size" to a - "sissy bike" - as my brother would call it! :)
- do you think we women go through some sort of "mid-life crisis" too?! ...
- Nah! :)
- BC :)

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[> [> [> Re: re: MPG's @ Valerie -- Valerie, 09:20:04 02/17/11 Thu

We love to travel, too, BC. I think our hotel room in CT cost more than what we actually spent on gas getting to MA. Crazy!
What kind of motorcycle do you have now? Does it have a "sissy bar" on the back? What are you looking to get? You definitely have to trust the driver, but the driver also has to trust the passenger. I've been told by my biker friends that I'm a great passenger. :-)
When we first moved to MO and were vehicle-less, we talked about the husby getting a scooter until we could find a good car because it really does save on gas. It would be just a wee bit unsafe and cold in the winter, though.


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[> [> @ Valerie - a bike with no name -- BC, 10:02:24 02/17/11 Thu

- it's an - '85 Honda "Magna"
- if you look closely, you can see "Eoghann" sitting on the gas tank! :)
- the gas tank in which BC did NOT put the dent, btw ...
- that was done by the previous owner
- however, the bike did fall to one side while sitting on BC's carport because the "goofy old lady" didn't have the kickstand set properly
- after it took both of her sons to set it upright again, BC decided it was time to "down-size"
- 'cause as Stewart said, "if you drop one picking it up isn't for the meek"!
- the thought of "dropping" "no name" on the roadway gave BC a "new perspective" on biking! :)
*** I then thought about giving it to my older brother as a "Welcome Home" gift - but, it seems he has decided to extend his stay in Iraq before "retiring"
- after returning home to the U.S. for a visit - he told me that he plans to retire on some secluded beachfront property in the Philippines?!
- so I think I should give him my kayak?! :)
- not sure just yet what the replacement for "no name" will be
- there is already a prospective buyer though
- BC
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[> [> an "oldies moment" for ya's -- BC, 11:06:48 02/17/11 Thu

- for some reason, I was reminded of this song ...
- I've really enjoyed talking to everyone here
- hope everyone has a great rest of the day
- tomorrow's Friday! :)
- BC


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[> [> Re: re: MPG's -- stewart, 15:39:04 02/17/11 Thu

Love Debs 50 and BCs magna. both are becoming quite collectable.I can understand that the Mag would be a bit of a beast to pick up. The best "ladies" bike for me would currently be the Ducati small monster which I think is 695, sits low and now comes with ABS .Critical for those without too much experience. Panic braking is the cause of a lot of dropped bikes especially in anything wet or greasy. V twins tend to also give you great engine braking which also helps in the wet. Though I must say there's nothing worse than a fresh rain in LA. I can recall a trip home in LA with my then brand new new Yamaha in a rain when I dropped the bike three times. All at lights . It was extremely slick being the first rain of the season and I wasn't at all used to the power band of the bike especially trying to get it up a slick hill off a stop light. There I was trying to pick it up in the rain at peak hour with everyone behind me "kindly" banging on their horns. Not fun. Nor was being put into a cyclone fence, from behind at about sixty five, by a hit and run driver some two years later. I did have the chance to look across at her as she basically herded me into the fence post hitting me, very surreal.I guess she thought she'd killed me or was on drugs. Lots of metal artifacts in me from that one. Learnt what being helpless was and what physical therapy was all about. Broke my left arm in five places, my left collarbone, my right wrist,my right leg ,had my right ankle rebuilt,tore skin off my back,my backside,bruised my face and ripped my left knee open.
I think I've mentioned that accident here but it was my helmet that day that saved my life. Anyone who rides without one is just a fool waiting for a bed in a brain injury ward or worse a slab in the morgue. I'm happy for them to ride 'free" as long as long as I don't have to pay to keep them on a ventilator.I actually saw a guy in florida, a no helmet state, riding in his tanktop, flip flops, shorts but with earplugs in his ears to save them from the sound of his exhaust. Hilarious. Anyway enough bike war stories. Just be careful ladies and ride equipped. Love on Ya Stewart


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[> [> [> re: MPG's -- BC, 16:28:57 02/17/11 Thu

It's a miracle you're alive Stewart!
I've heard mention of your motorcycle accident, but never knew just how severe it was?!
One of my neighbors kept a sign in his yard for quite some time which read "Bikers are dying to be seen"!

If and when I replace "no name" (one way or another, it will definitely be sold)
- the replacement will be a "step down" in size ...
- just something to "scoot" around town.
- and, a helmet will be worn at all times!

You and "Louise" take care of yourselves as well!
We want to keep ya'll around for a very long time!
- BC

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[> [> [> [> Re: re: MPG's -- Valerie, 07:41:33 02/18/11 Fri

Yikes! I'm glad you're alive and well, Stewart! I'm also glad that you're still able to ride. That sounds so scary. Have you had any problems since that accident?
BC, I want a Honda Classic when I do get a bike (which won't be for a looooong time, I think). Nothing super-ferocious for me. I looked a Yamaha scooter a few years ago, but the Honda scooters are fun, too. I see scooters a lot here, but I wouldn't dream of riding anything like that with all the meth-heads and crazies. I guess for now I'll just hitch a ride with someone. haha
A bike would be a great retirement present for your brother, BC, even if he is moving to the Philippines, but it might be costly to ship it over there. I guess a kayak is a better idea!


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[> [> [> @ SFM - some vintage Ducati's -- BC, 16:53:13 02/17/11 Thu

- thought you might enjoy seeing this Stewart
- BC
http://www.digital-brilliance.com/bikes/ducati.htm


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[> [> [> Re: re: MPG's Stewart -- JennOK, 18:02:29 02/17/11 Thu

Wow Stewart! I hadn't heard of your accident before and certainly am amazed at how well you healed up! I was just thinking of you on my way home from my son's drum lesson wondering (hoping) that you wore a helmet when you ride. My kids are pretty much great at pointing out how "stupid" motorcyclists are who aren't wearing helmets. I have to quiet them down a bit if the windows are open :) We encountered a couple of deer jumping across the road tonight and I always thought how awful it would be to be on a bike and encounter one of those. It is bad enough when you hit one with your car, let alone unprotected on a motorcycle. But I must admit the few times I've been on a bike, that it is so cool to experience the outdoors without being surrounded by a vehicle. Today it was over 50 here, so I'm sure some local bike enthusiasts may have gotten their bikes out for a ride. We have a man who races next door and rides around the neighborhood with his 3 year old with him- no helmets of course- scares me to death! Anyway- glad you are a smart, safe rider- have fun on Louise :) Jenn


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[> [> [> [> Texting and Motorcycling -- We3Kings, 18:27:43 02/17/11 Thu

We watched a guy text and ride his motorbike down I-85 at 70mph. Tim was driving and we kept looking at him like he was insane! No hands at times, just texting. CRAZY!

I love bikes. My uncles had a few and quite honestly, some of the nicest people I know are bikers. They just get a bad rap because of bad bikers. It is hard for anyone not to look at a restored car or nice bike and not pause to admire what goes into them.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Texting and Motorcycling -- BC, 18:42:12 02/17/11 Thu

I've seen and heard of some crazy stunts in my day Cath ...
but, that's gotta be "one for the books"!!!
- BC


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Another proof of idiocy and texting -- We3Kings, 19:35:09 02/17/11 Thu



This is a guy in India doing it. I don't know if I shoudl credit him on his balance or his idiocy!!


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[> [> [> [> [> - "idiotic" behavior -- BC, 19:55:00 02/17/11 Thu

-"idiotic" does not even begin to describe the sort of behavior captured in that video
- I could only bear to watch the first few seconds of that STUPID stunt
- envisioning the devastating possibilites!
- I can only hope some other young person doesn't see that mindless stunt and attempt to replicate it!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Injuries and recovery--Amazing!! -- We3Kings, 21:02:01 02/20/11 Sun

I heartily agree!! I don't even like Tim messing with his Blackberry while driving. I am always asking him if I can type things for him. I mean, I try not to be a backseat driver, but I am a BIG proponent of paying attention while driving.

A few years back--okay, it has been almost 15 years come to think of it, a furniture truck pulled out in front of me when I was going 45mph. I hit the brakes, pulled the wheel hard ot right to try to slide into where he came out since the pavement was wet that day. It worked, except I connected with the metal bumper and he in turn dragged me around with him and eventually threw my little acclaim into the ditch on the other side. I climbed out with no injuries to speak of and proceeded to be a translator for the police as the guys who were in the truck did not speak English.

No one looking at my car believed it was me who was in there as the entire engine had been scooped up and dumped onto the windshield. I actually hit the steering wheel so hard, I broke the air bag AND the steering wheel into pieces.

I learned three important facts that day. #1--you will never catch me in a car WITHOUT my seatbelt. #2--distractions will kill you(if I had not been paying attention, just a fraction of a second and I would not have turned in time and would have been decapitated under the truck. and #3--Don't ask your dad which news he wants first; the good or the bad---and then proceed to say, "Well, Dad. The air bag works great." That is sooooo not the way to break the news to your dad, even if it is NOT your fault.

I was reading SFM's injury list and was truly amazed he was able to walk away from all of that!!!

A friend of mine was seriously injured in a wreck a few years ago. Though she did not have a scratch on her, her mental injuries are still things she struggles with today as a single mom. She had to learn how to eat, drink, speak, walk, everything all over again. It was a tremendous journey for all of us.

I tip my hat to you Stewart. It is truly not something you EVER forget. For years, I felt like I couldn't stop in time for lights, even though I knew I could, and I didn't have ANY injuries to speak of. It's hard getting back on that bike again, isn't it. So much mental baggage people do not think about and you don't want to seem weak either or childish about it.

Huh, its funny how such a small thing like fear can control so much of our lives......huh.....


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[> [> [> - my "little" brother -- BC, 18:44:46 02/17/11 Thu

- Frank and his wife, Heather ...
- my older brother, Mike, is the one who currently lives in Iraq
- BC
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