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Date Posted: 20:34:10 11/29/02 Fri
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: Re: Ïðî ºâðå¿â, ãåáðå¿â, þäå¿â, ³óäå¿â, æèä³â òà ò.ï.
In reply to: V 's message, "Re: Ïðî ºâðå¿â, ãåáðå¿â, þäå¿â, ³óäå¿â, æèä³â òà ò.ï." on 06:46:09 11/29/02 Fri

- Ïèòàííÿ ïðî òå ÿê êîíêðåòíå ñëîâî áóëî çàïîçè÷åíå â óêðà¿íñüêó ìîâó ñêëàäíå. ß êîðèñòóâàâñÿ àíãë³éñüêèì òåêñòîì ÿêèé äóæå êîñòðóáàòî çâó÷èòü óêðà¿íñüêîþ.

Äî ïèòàííÿ ïåðåêëàäó Jew íà óêðà¿íñüêó: Äî ïèòàííÿ: "Æèäè", ÷è "ªâðå¿"?

- Âèäíî, ùî êîëèøíÿ íàçâà îäíîãî ç ïëåìåí çàðàç âèêîðèñòîâóºòüñÿ ÿê íàçâà íàðîäó.

Òàê òîé íàðîä â³ä òîãî ñàìå ïëåìåí³ é ïîõîäèòü, à íå â³ä ÿêîãî ³íøîãî. Âîíè áàíàëüíî ÇÁÅÐÅÃËÈ ñâîþ íàçâó: íàçâó ñâîãî ïëåìåí³, ñâ äåðæàâè etc.

Çíîâó æ, ìè ìàºìî äâ³ ãðóïè ñë³â þäå¿-³óäå¿ òà ºâðå¿-æèäè ÿê³ áàæàíî áóëî á íå ïëóòàòè. Ïåðøà ãðóïà çâåðòàºòüñÿ äî ñèâî¿ äàâíèíè: äî ïëåìåí³ þäå¿â, ÷è ìîæå íàâ³òü äî ìåøêàíö³â êðà¿íè Þäå¿. Äðóãà ãðóïà íàçâ ÿêðàç ³ º ñó÷àñíîþ.

Ïî ùî Âè ñòâîðþºòå ïëóòàíèíó? Ñàì³ æèäè í³êîëè íå ïëóòàþòü, à Âè çàïëóòàòè õî÷åòå. "Æèä"="þäåé", öå îäíå òå ñàìå ñëîâî, íåâæå Âè íå áà÷èòå?  æèä³âñüêèõ ìîâàõ íåìຠð³çíèö³. ª "³ä" - öå çàðàçîì ³ "æèä" ÿê íàö³ÿ ³ "þäåé" ÿê ðåë³ã³ÿ (à â æèä³â ö³ ïîíÿòòÿ îòîòîæíåí³ - äèâ. âèùå), ùî ïîõîäèòü áåçïîñåðåäíüî â³ä ïëåìåí³ þäå¿â-æèä³â, îäíîãî ç òèõ ñòàðîäàâí³õ 12 ïëåìåí. Âñå.

Öå ò³ ñàì³ æèäè-þäå¿, ùî áóëè êîëèñü, çà ñâèî¿ äàâíèíè. Äî ³íøîíàö³îíàëüíèõ ìåøêàíö³â òî¿ êðà¿íè ã³ð ³ ïóñòåëü öþ íàçâó ÍÀÐÎÄÓ/ÏËÅÌÅͲ í³êîëè íå óæèâàëîñÿ. Òîä³, çíàºòå, ëþäå áóëè ïðîñò³ø³ ³ ïîíÿòòÿ íå ìàëè ïðî "ãðîìàäÿíñòâî", ÿê-îò â ï³çí³øîìó Ðèì³.

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