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Date Posted: 12:41:48 03/18/02 Mon
Author: Ëåì
Subject: Re: Êîíòðàð´óìåíòè íà "êîçàöüêèé Òàë³áàí"
In reply to: Òðåéòÿê 's message, "Êîíòðàð´óìåíòè íà "êîçàöüêèé Òàë³áàí"" on 11:13:05 03/17/02 Sun


Ƴíêè - äîäàòêîâ³ ïðîáëåìè. ×åðåç íèõ ÷àñòî ñâàðêè, á³éêè, ì³æ ³íøèì, áóâàþòü. À æ³íêà ó â³éñüêîâîìó òàáîð³ (ÿêùî âîíà íå âèêîíóº ñïåö. ðîëþ :)), òî âçàãàë³ ïðîáëåìà ç ïðîáëåì. \

Ïðîôàíàö³ÿ. Îñü ãåáðå¿ ó êîæíîìó áàíàëüíîìó ìîðäîáî¿ ëàäí³ áà÷èòè õîëîêîñò ³ íàö³îíàëüíó òðàãåä³þ, à òè, íàâïàêè, áàíàë³çóºø íàâ³òü ñåðéîçí³ ðå÷³. Ìîæå, òîìó âîíè ìàþòü êîëîñàëüíèé íàö³îíàëüíèé ì³ô ³ æèâóòü ó â³÷íîñò³, ÷åðåç òèñÿ÷îë³òòÿ, à ìè ä³éøëè äî 21 ñò., òàê ³ íå ñôîðìóâàâøè íîðìàëüíî¿ íàö³¿, ³ âåñü ÷àñ ï³ä çàãðîçîþ àñèì³ëÿö³¿:) ßêùî éòè çà òâîºþ ïðèçåìëåíîþ ëîã³êîþ, òî æ³íêà ó â³éñüêîâîìó òàáîð³ ìîãëà á óñï³øíî áîðù³ âàðèòè ³ âàðåíèêè ë³ïèòè:) Àëå õòî æ ¿é äîçâîëèòü?.. ѳ÷ - ñâÿùåííå áðàòñòâî, ñàêðàëüíå êîëî, êóäè çàêàçàíî âõ³ä ñòîðîíí³ì. ²í³ö³àö³þ òðåáà ïðîõîäèòè (íà âîâêà, ê ïðèì³ðó, ïåðåòâîðèòèñÿ). Òàê ñàìî ³ ìîíàñòèð. Äî ðå÷³, õòî ìåí³ ñêàæå: ÷è ìóñèëè ãåáðå¿, ùî õîäèëè ç â³éñüêîì, âèõðåùóâàòèñÿ? ×è áóëî öå îáîâ"ÿçêîâèì?


Äðóãå: ùî îçíà÷àëî âìåðòè íà ïàë³ çà â³ðó?
Íå çàáóâàé, ùî ìîâà ïðî XVI-XVII ñò. Ïîíÿòòÿ íàö³¿ â ñó÷àñíîìó ðîçóì³íí³ òîä³ ùå íå ³ñíóâàëî. Âìèðàþ÷è çà ãðåöüêó â³ðó, âìèðàëè çà ñâîþ íàéá³ëüøó íàö³îíàëüíó â³äì³íí³ñòü, â³ä òèõ æå ïîëÿê³â. Ãðåöüêà â³ðà îçíà÷àëà äëÿ íèõ ïðèíàëåæí³ñòü äî ðóñèí³â, òîáòî çáåðåæåííÿ ïðåäê³âñüêî¿ íàö³îíàëüíîñò³, õî÷áè â³ä ïîëÿê³â.

Íó òàê, íà òîìó åòàï³ ïðàâîñëàâ"ÿ áóëî ÷è íå ãîëîâíîþ îçíàêîþ åòí³÷íîñò³ äëÿ óêðà¿íö³â. Àëå ìåí³ çäàºòüñÿ, òè ïåðåá³ëüøóºø íàö³îíàëüíèé ìîìåíò, áî êîçàöòâî áóëî ìóëüòèåòí³÷íèì çà ïîõîäæåííÿì.

3. Ïðî "âèá³ð" ÷àñòèíè êîçàê³â.
×îìó òè ³´íîðóºø òîé ôàêò, ùî ÷àñòèíà êîçàê³â, óêðà¿íñüêî¿ øëÿõòè îáðàëà Ïîëüùó? À áàãàòî õòî çãîäîì ïåðåéøîâ íà êàòîëèöòâî. Äå òóò ðåë³´³éíà ìîòèâàö³ÿ? ¯¿ íåìàº.

Òàê, ³ ââàæàëèñÿ òàê³ ïåðåâåðòí³ ã³ðøå çà ëÿõà. ßñêðàâèé ïðèêëàä - ßðåìà Âèøíåâåöüêèé. Äî ðå÷³, ³ñíóº ëåãåíäà. Íà æàëü, äåòàëåé íå ïàì"ÿòàþ. Êàæóòü, ùî éîãî ìàìà çàïîâ³äàëà éîìó íå çðàäèòè ïðàâîñëàâíî¿ â³ðè, ³ êîëè â³í ïåðåéøîâ íà êàòîëèöòâî, òî íà íüîãî í³áèòî âïàëî ìàòåðèíñüêå ïðîêëÿòòÿ. Öèì ïîÿñíþºòüñÿ òå, ùî îñòàíê³â éîãî íå çíàéäåíî, â³í í³áè êð³çü çåìëþ ïðîâàëèâñÿ. ßñíà ð³÷, öå ëèøå ëåãåíäà, àëå äóæå êðàñíîìîâíà.



Òðåáà äîäàòè ñþäè ùå îäèí âàæëèâèé ÷èííèê, ïîâ"ÿçàíèé ç ëþäñüêîþ ïñèõîëî´³ºþ - çàðàç íå ïîÿñíþþ, áî çàäîâãî, àëå â³í äóæå âïëèâîâèé, îñîáëèâî çà "ñìóòíèõ" ÷àñ³â

Íó öå âæå áëèæ÷å äî ä³ëà. Ïñèõîëîã³ÿ ìàñè, ðîìàíòèêà ïîãðîìó:)

À ùîäî òàë³áàíó, òî ÿêáè êîçàêè áóëè òàë³áàíîì, òî ÿ á òîä³ áóâ ãîðäèì íàùàäêîì:) Àëå âàì ÷îìóñü íå ïîäîáàºòüñÿ áóòè ãîðäèìè íàùàäêàìè... Òî ïðî êîçàöüêî-áóñóðìàíñüêó äðóæáó, òî ïðî ëþáèõ êàòîëèê³â, òî âçàãàë³ ïðî âàðò³ñòü æ³íî÷îãî æèòòÿ... Íó ïðÿìî íå êîçàêè, à ÿê³ñü ïðîâ³ñíèêè ë³áåðàëüíî¿ äåìîêðàò³¿, â³ðîòåðïèìîñò³ ³ ôåì³í³çìó:)))

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