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Date Posted: 02:46:44 03/19/02 Tue
Author: Ëåì
Subject: Re: ³íäóëü´åíö³ÿ?
In reply to: Òðåéòÿê 's message, "³íäóëü´åíö³ÿ?" on 13:41:07 03/18/02 Mon

òåæ â³ðíî. Îòæå, çà ñïðèÿòëèâèõ óìîâ ùå ìîæóòü íàíîâî çðîáèòèñÿ óêðà¿íöÿìè. Òàêà ñîá³ ñèðîâèíà :), ãàðÿ÷å çàë³çî - áóäü-ùî ìîæíà ñêëåïàòè: â³ä òîãî çàëåæèòü, íàñê³ëüêè òå çàë³çî ãàðÿ÷å.

Îé ùîñü ÿ äóæå ñóìí³âàþñÿ!.. Òè ¿õ áà÷èâ? Öå ÿêàñü äèêà áàíäà. Íó ÷èñòà òîá³ Îðäà. ² øàëåíèé ãðàäóñ êñåíîôî᳿ (áàéäóæå, ÷å÷åíö³, óêðà¿íö³, æèäè...). ßê íà ìåíå, íàéáëèæ÷èé àíàëîã ç ³ñòî𳿠- òóðåöüê³ ÿíè÷àðè (áåç æîäíèõ îö³íî÷íèõ çíà÷åíü, ïðîñòî ÿê ôåíîìåí). Öå ÿêîñü íå ï³ääàºòüñÿ âèçíà÷åííþ ó íàö³îíàëüíèõ òåðì³íàõ, ùîá á òàì òîé Ãóì³ëüîâ íå ïèñàâ. Öå ÿêèéñü îêðåìèé ôåíîìåí.

Âò³ì, ö³ çàáàâè ç ê³øêàìè ìåíå íå äóæå ö³êàâëÿòü. Ïîçàÿê âáèâàëè, æîðñòîêî, à ÿê ñàìå: ñóâàëè òóäè ê³øêó ÷è ñîáàêó, êðîòà ÷è á³ëêó, òî âæå äðóãîðÿäíà ð³÷, íà ìîþ äóìêó.

Íó ÿ òàê ³ çðîçóì³â, ùî òåáå íå äóæå ö³êàâèòü, òîìó òè íàìàãàºøñÿ â³äâåñòè äèñêóñ³þ óá³ê. À ìåíå òàê äóæå ö³êàâèòü.


³òàþ, ùîéíî òè âèïèñàâ ³íäóëü´åíö³þ íà ìîñêâîô³ëüñòâî òà é âçàãàë³ íà áóäü-ÿêå çðàäíèöòâî. Ìîâëÿâ, "â³äì³ííå áà÷åííÿ". Äóæå ñïîä³âàþñÿ, ùî Áîãäàí ç ï³äîï³÷íèìè ïðî÷èòàâ.

Òî áóäåìî íà Áîãäàíà îçèðàòèñÿ?:) ×è íå çàáàãàòî ÷åñò³?
À øêîäóºø, ëèáîíü, ùî íå æèâåø ó ÷àñè ³íêâ³çèö³¿?:) Âñå áóëî á ïðîñò³øå. ² íàâ³òü ùå íà ïî÷àòêó 20 ñò. áóëî á äîñèòü ïðîñòî. Äåÿê³ ñëîâ"ÿíñüê³ íàö³¿ âïîðàëèñÿ. Àëå êòî íº óñïºë, òîò îïîçäàë... Ñüîãîäí³ öå íå ïðîõîäèòü.
Ç ïðèâîäó "çðàäíèê³â" - òàê öå çàíàäòî ñèëüíî ñêàçàíî. ßê³ âîíè â á³ñà çðàäèíèêè, ÿêùî âîíè í³êîëè íå áóëè óêðà¿íöÿìè?.. Êîãî æ âîíè çðàäèëè? Òåáå ïîñëóõàòè, òàê óêðà¿íñüêà íàö³ÿ í³áè ³ñíóº ó â³÷íîñò³, ÷è ïðèíàéìí³ â³ä Àäàìà ç ªâîþ. ̳æ òèì, öå â³äíîñíî íîâå ÿâèùå, âîíà ôîðìóºòüñÿ íà íàøèõ î÷àõ. Íó ïðèïóñòèìî, ùî òè â àâàí´àðä³:), àëå º é òàê³, ùî ïëåíòàþòüñÿ ïîçàäó ³ í³ÿê íå ìîæóòü ñàìîóñâ³äîìèòèñÿ. Öå íå âèíà ¿õ, à á³äà. ßê ÿ âæå ïèñàâ, íåñïðèÿòëèâ³ ³ñòîðè÷í³ îáñòàâèíè. ß ùå ðàç ï³äêðåñëþþ: âîíè ×ÅÑÍΠ²ÐßÒÜ, ùî "ðóññêàÿ íàö³ÿ ºä³íà". Âîíè çàâèñëè äåñü ó 19 ñòîë³òò³, ³ äî òîãî áóëè ñâî¿ ïðè÷èíè.

1. Ïðî "êè¿âñüêó ìïåð³þ" íàâ³òü íå õî÷ó êîìåíòóâàòè, áî â³äâåðòà ìàÿ÷íÿ.

Äóæå åôåêòèâíèé ïîëåì³÷íèé ïðèéîì:)

2. Àìá³ö³éí³ ³ìïåð³àë³ñòè. ßêùî öÿ àìá³ö³ÿ ïîëÿãຠâ òîìó, ùîáè çà áóäü-ÿêó ö³íó ï³äïîðÿäêóâàòè ñâ³é íàð³ä ³íøîìó,

Íå éäåòüñÿ ïðî ï³äïîðÿäêóâàííÿ, âîíè õî÷óòü ðóëèòè ðàçîì, áî â³ðÿòü, ùî º ºäèíèì íàðîäîì.

à âëàñíó ìîâó çàì³íèòè ÷óæîþ ìîâîþ, òî öå òðåáà â³äâåðòî íàçèâàòè õîëóéñòâîì, à íå àìá³ö³ºþ.

Íó íå ñïðîùóé òè âñå íà ð³âí³ ä³àñïîðíî¿ ïàòð³îòè÷íî¿ ïðåñè:((( Âîíè ââàæàþòü, ùî ðîñ³éñüêó ìîâó áóëî ñòâîðåíî â Êèºâ³ (ïî÷èòàé â÷åíîãî Àáàêóìà), ³ ùî öå á³ëüøå óêðà¿íñüêà ìîâà, í³æ ìîñêîâñüêà. Ç òàêèì "ä³àñïîðíèì" áàãàæåì òè í³êîãî íå ïåðåêîíàºø.
Õî÷åø ïðèêëàä "³ìïåð³àë³ñòà" - òðèìàé Îêàðó. Ïî÷èòàé ³ äîâåäè ìåí³, ùî â³í íå óêðà¿íåöü, à òè - óêðà¿íåöü.
http://part.org.ua/index.php?art=39747860
Çàê³í÷èòüñÿ òèì, ùî ïî÷íåø êðè÷àòè, ùî ñõ³äíÿêè - íå óêðà¿íö³, à ïîëîâö³:) Öèì çàâæäè çàê³í÷óºòüñÿ. À äàë³ ò³ëüêè ãàëèöüêèé ñåïàðàòèçì:(.

Âò³ì, ÿêùî ìàºø áàæàííÿ ïîäèñêóòóâàòè ñàìå ïðî æèä³â äàë³, òî ïðîïîíóþ ïî÷àòè ç ìîãî äîïèñà íèæ÷å "ïðî íåâäÿ÷í³ñòü", òà é ïðî "øêîëó Ïðèòóëÿêà" (íàðàç³ âæå â àðõ³â³) - æèäè òà ñòîñóíêè ç íèìè òî îêðåìà òåìà.

ß ç ñàìîãî ïî÷àòêó ñêàçàâ, ùî íàéìåíøå áàæàííÿ ìàþ äèñêóòóâàòè "ïðî æèä³â". Âîíî ìåí³ âæå â ïå÷³íêàõ ñèäèòü:(

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