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Date Posted: 13:10:41 09/25/02 Wed
Author: Mark
Subject: Had lunch w/ John today and in addition to being comp. director, he agreed to work with the sb guys and try to figure something out. I believe he can be the voice of reason here and we really appreciate him taking this on.
In reply to: John Harrison 's message, "Here's the deal" on 12:52:20 09/25/02 Wed

>I am the competition director for the TPSA and I want
>first to state some simple facts.
>
>1. We want to make this organization friendly to as
>many cars as possible. Unfortunately, with only one
>class, there is just no way to make everyone
>absolutely equal. It will require some cooperation
>from owners to make some small adjustments so we can
>include as many of you as possible. We can't possibly
>make an absolutely level playing field with as many
>different combinations as there are out there.
>Somebody will have to make some allowances.
>
>2. We want to include the small block cars as well,
>but we are still trying to figure out a way to make
>them competitive without making a couple of them
>dominant. I am leaning towards an inline valve rule
>for the small block cars, and that will exclude the
>ex-PSTruck motors and the $35,000 comp engines. I
>realize that the 18-14 degree heads will have an
>advantage over the 23 degree stuff, and will probably
>carry a weight penalty. (still thinking on that one)
>Also, there are a lot of SB guys with a 2-carb set-up,
>and it would cost a bunch for them to change to a
>1-carb. May do a weight thing for them too.
>
>3. As to the big block guys, this is a whole 'nother
>can of worms. 1 carb, 2 carb, heads, cubic inches,
>wow! it's mind boggling to try to level this one. To
>P&G everyone would be time prohibitive, and that's why
>we came up with the short deck thing to limit inches.
>Have you got any idea how long it would take to P&G
>lets say 20 cars? Bad idea. I feel like the factory
>valve angle thing is good to level the cost of the
>upper end, but we will consider any suggestions after
>this first event. We are looking for any RATIONAL
>suggestions that are not just intended to be
>inflamatory in nature. If you ain't got something
>constructive to say.... keep it to yourself. We are
>looking for the racers to help us with this if they
>want it to succeed.
>
>4. We also realize there is no way we won't exclude
>some cars... there's just no way you can make them all
>fit into 1 class. We don't mean to hurt anyone's
>feelers here... just how it shapes up.
>
>Again, I say: We welcome all RATIONAL suggestions. If
>you haven't got anything constructive to say....keep
>it to yourself and save the web space.
>
>Bottom line here is... if you have a car that is CLOSE
>to meeting the rules, bring it to this first event and
>we will try to get you in the show. If you chose to
>stay home and not participate, how can we determine if
>you have a place with us of not? We will try to work
>with everybody, (except for the Big Chief head deal)
>and will assess weight penalties to those of you who
>are close. Just bring some ballast with you if you
>think your situation is workable. Come race with us
>and lets have a good time... this is a hobby, and is
>supposed to be fun!
>
>You can contact me at profabguy@aol.com, or 713 690
>4233 at the shop, or after hours at 713 896 8565. I
>will be glad to discuss anything with anyone who wants
>to be rational and work out a problem. I will post
>some possibilities for weights and such in a little
>while, and will consider your suggestions.
>
>Thanks, John

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[> small blocks -- jeff, 16:23:14 09/25/02 Wed [1]

john we have never met but i know your reputation & respect your input & decisions,i'm glad someone with your reputation has stepped up,there are a lot of us small block guys with 23 deg heads that would love to compete i've talked to a few of my friends & know of 4 cars plus myself that would be involved if we can be close to competitive.we all run 5.70 to 5.90 wt. is from 2200 to 2500 with driver,we are all close but there is no way we can compete with a 565 making over 1000 h.p no matter what weight.we would like to see a seperate class.this may not be feasable at the first 2 races but maybe next year ?this might give others who are close the time to get there.as far as a s/b class there has to be some equalizer for 2-4's maybe allow 2-4's gas only & 1-4 alky,then there is the cu.in. problem,maybe allow 2-4's only under 330 in.& some kind of penalty over 380 in.i know it sound complicated just some ideas.how about p& g everyone at the begining of the year & seal the motor like nhra,we use to get p& g'd in comp& they put a colored seal on the bolts.i know this stuff is available we would just have to police ourselves,if someone wants to protest a motor let them & let them put up a small fee like nhra.i think most all of us are honest & don't need to cheat to win .i for1 would not want to be known as a cheater& i think that goes for most everyone else.i'm pulling my car out of the trailer where it has been for the last 5 years i'm going to go through it this winter & hope to run with you next season if all works out.good luck to you all,john if you need any help i am willing just don't want to be the front man if you know what i mean....


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