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Date Posted: 17:24:39 10/03/02 Thu
Author: Mark
Subject: Jeff, please reread John's post. I believe we're trying to find a combo for the small blocks that will work. Just need a good turnout with some different engine/weight combos to see where we need to go. I wouldn't pack up my toys just yet. If you know of someone who wants to play on the 26th. Have them email John and let's look at it.
In reply to: jeff rytter 's message, "here we go with the comp small blocks & sheet metal intakes i guess those of us with 23 deg. will have to stick to bracket racing i tried already had 4 cars lined up that all run 5.70' to 5.80's & i'm sure there are a lot more out there but i guess i you don't have an old comp motor or an old comp car that weighs 2000 lbs you can't play good luck see you baytown" on 16:19:59 10/03/02 Thu

>>Since I am the tech guy, I guess I should answer the
>>points that have been raised so far.
>>
>>As to teching of the cars more closely, all the cars
>>that we had at the first race were known to us, and
>>the racers aren’t known to cheat or punish the rules,
>>so we just let it wing itself. We made sure the
>>engines and carburetors (and 1 injector) were what
>>they were supposed to be and that the weights were
>>correct for the combination.
>>
>>We will look at the cars more closely at the October
>>race and will check for power adders, and fuel
>>irregularities. (Alcohol will be allowed with a small
>>weight penalty)
>>
>>We have had a number of inquiries since the race as to
>>what we are going to allow in the future. Every racer
>>has a slightly different combination than the next,
>>and it will be a real challenge to make parity for
>>all.
>>
>>Let me explain how we came up with the first set of
>>rules... I have a concept that I call running against
>>a brick wall. What that means as simply as I can
>>explain it is that with the stock valve configuration,
>>a cast intake, and a single carburetor, you can only
>>flow so much air. It takes air flow to make
>>horsepower, and with these restrictions, there is just
>>so much power you can make. The point of the low deck
>>block is to limit the cubic inches to a maximum of
>>582. This makes it to where nobody can have a real
>>engine advantage. We tried to make a class where the
>>average motor makes about 900-925 horsepower, and
>>weighs 2450#. I know there are exceptions to this
>>premise, but most will fall here somewhere.
>>
>>We decided to let the small block guys join us, and
>>gave them a 150# advantage with the same restrictions
>>since they are horsepower challenged. (We could have
>>made them lighter, but how many cars are there that
>>will get that light?) We allowed any inline valve head
>>at a 50# penalty, a second carburetor with a 50 #
>>penalty, and any tunnel ram intake with a 50# penalty.
>>This combination at about 400-434 cubic inches will
>>make between 875 and 925 horsepower at 2450#... see
>>where this is going?
>>
>>Conrad has some suggestions that would bring some more
>>cars, but when you allow more head freedom, you have
>>the problem of how to keep it even. The general answer
>>is weight/inch... However, that makes it harder to
>>police. That means P&G at every race, and sealed
>>engines, and more opportunities for stretching the
>>rules for an unfair advantage. What I asked him was
>>how many cars would this add to the show, and how many
>>would not come if we opened up the head rule? I need
>>an answer to this!
>>
>>I still feel like the simpler the rules, the fairer
>>the parity for all, and this makes closer races which
>>makes the spectators stay interested, and makes a
>>better show. I still feel like the factory valve
>>arrangement is the best way to accomplish this, but I
>>could be wrong.
>>
>>I am open to ANY suggestion to make this work, and
>>will consider ANY RATIONAL suggestions. I am available
>>for YOUR suggestions at profabguy@aol.com or on the
>>phone at 713 690 4233.

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[> [> [> mark i'm not packing it in yet i will pester you guy's until it's dead .i am going to rebuild my car this winter with the engine it has & will get my buddies with the 23 deg heads to try at least 2 races at the begining of next season & if we are not competitive then so be it thats fine but we will give it a shot but there is no way we can compete with a 2/4 sheet metal 400 plus in.any head motor .i just want to see a bigger field to draw from & the 14,18 or canted valve motors are rare they do run great & i respect that but most of us are on a budget -- jeff rytter, 19:00:47 10/03/02 Thu [1]

>>>Since I am the tech guy, I guess I should answer the
>>>points that have been raised so far.
>>>
>>>As to teching of the cars more closely, all the cars
>>>that we had at the first race were known to us, and
>>>the racers aren’t known to cheat or punish the rules,
>>>so we just let it wing itself. We made sure the
>>>engines and carburetors (and 1 injector) were what
>>>they were supposed to be and that the weights were
>>>correct for the combination.
>>>
>>>We will look at the cars more closely at the October
>>>race and will check for power adders, and fuel
>>>irregularities. (Alcohol will be allowed with a small
>>>weight penalty)
>>>
>>>We have had a number of inquiries since the race as
>to
>>>what we are going to allow in the future. Every racer
>>>has a slightly different combination than the next,
>>>and it will be a real challenge to make parity for
>>>all.
>>>
>>>Let me explain how we came up with the first set of
>>>rules... I have a concept that I call running against
>>>a brick wall. What that means as simply as I can
>>>explain it is that with the stock valve
>configuration,
>>>a cast intake, and a single carburetor, you can only
>>>flow so much air. It takes air flow to make
>>>horsepower, and with these restrictions, there is
>just
>>>so much power you can make. The point of the low deck
>>>block is to limit the cubic inches to a maximum of
>>>582. This makes it to where nobody can have a real
>>>engine advantage. We tried to make a class where the
>>>average motor makes about 900-925 horsepower, and
>>>weighs 2450#. I know there are exceptions to this
>>>premise, but most will fall here somewhere.
>>>
>>>We decided to let the small block guys join us, and
>>>gave them a 150# advantage with the same restrictions
>>>since they are horsepower challenged. (We could have
>>>made them lighter, but how many cars are there that
>>>will get that light?) We allowed any inline valve
>head
>>>at a 50# penalty, a second carburetor with a 50 #
>>>penalty, and any tunnel ram intake with a 50#
>penalty.
>>>This combination at about 400-434 cubic inches will
>>>make between 875 and 925 horsepower at 2450#... see
>>>where this is going?
>>>
>>>Conrad has some suggestions that would bring some
>more
>>>cars, but when you allow more head freedom, you have
>>>the problem of how to keep it even. The general
>answer
>>>is weight/inch... However, that makes it harder to
>>>police. That means P&G at every race, and sealed
>>>engines, and more opportunities for stretching the
>>>rules for an unfair advantage. What I asked him was
>>>how many cars would this add to the show, and how
>many
>>>would not come if we opened up the head rule? I need
>>>an answer to this!
>>>
>>>I still feel like the simpler the rules, the fairer
>>>the parity for all, and this makes closer races which
>>>makes the spectators stay interested, and makes a
>>>better show. I still feel like the factory valve
>>>arrangement is the best way to accomplish this, but I
>>>could be wrong.
>>>
>>>I am open to ANY suggestion to make this work, and
>>>will consider ANY RATIONAL suggestions. I am
>available
>>>for YOUR suggestions at profabguy@aol.com or on the
>>>phone at 713 690 4233.


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