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Subject: Answer to the little problem with the relative issue!! Author: 2014 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:51:43 02/07/14 Fri 2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family member who served in any capacity on the board of the state or the national organization or as a volunteer must have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior to the time that I am eligible to compete in my first local competition.Immediate Family is defined as parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings whether by whole or half blood, by marriage including step-children, adoption or natural relation. This six (6) month rule also pertains to the local organization’s board and volunteers with respect to their immediate family. However, pertaining to local competitions, I am eligible to enter another local organization where an immediate family member does not serve in any capacity within my state and they may maintain their position in their local organization. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Very impressive that you found this. Maybe you'll get a good night's sleep now. Author: zzzzzzzzzz [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:24:51 02/07/14 Fri >2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family member >who served in any capacity on the board of the state >or the national organization or as a volunteer must >have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior >to the time that I am eligible to compete in my first >local competition.Immediate Family is defined as >parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings >whether by whole or half blood, by marriage including >step-children, adoption or natural relation. This six >(6) month rule also pertains to the local >organization’s board and volunteers with respect to >their immediate family. However, pertaining to local >competitions, I am eligible to enter another local >organization where an immediate family member does not >serve in any capacity within my state and they may >maintain their position in their local organization.

[> [> Subject: Thanks for pointing out that the volunteers in question are doing nothing wrong. Author: Knew it [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:40:17 02/07/14 Fri

[> [> [> Subject: Well this does contain a problem with one pageant. Author: Once again NJ will not do nothing about it [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:44:00 02/12/14 Wed

[> [> [> [> Subject: double negative Author: esl [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:36:56 02/12/14 Wed

[> Subject: What happens to Schoeffel's mom having a dance team during the Miss America Parade? Or Anne Bird having a neice competing in Miss New Jersey's Outstanding Teen? I hope that Miss NJ is a geniube Author: Melissa Ann (MH) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:58:14 02/13/14 Thu >2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family member >who served in any capacity on the board of the state >or the national organization or as a volunteer must >have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior >to the time that I am eligible to compete in my first >local competition.Immediate Family is defined as >parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings >whether by whole or half blood, by marriage including >step-children, adoption or natural relation. This six >(6) month rule also pertains to the local >organization’s board and volunteers with respect to >their immediate family. However, pertaining to local >competitions, I am eligible to enter another local >organization where an immediate family member does not >serve in any capacity within my state and they may >maintain their position in their local organization.

[> [> Subject: Re: What happens to Schoeffel's mom having a dance team during the Miss America Parade? Or Anne Bird having a neice competing in Miss New Jersey's Outstanding Teen? I hope that Miss NJ is a geniube Author: P [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:36:05 02/13/14 Thu

[> [> [> Subject: What about a former Miss Nj working backstage while the sister is still competing? What happens if they are the director of teen or miss and their relative competes for the sister title. Is there clarification about that situation? Author: Nothing will be done anyway. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:53:45 02/13/14 Thu

[> Subject: My thoughts. Click in. Author: A former. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:03:40 02/13/14 Thu I have no issue with Schoffel's mom helping with the parade. It's not like she was driving her daughter down the boardwalk. I have no issue with Anne Bird having a relative in the teen system. Anne is no longer the director of a teen title and her relative did not win her title. I have no problem with Tracy Olson running a Miss title while her daughter competes in the teen system. Her daughter never competed for the teen title associated with her organization. The only contestant / relative situation that concerns me is the Fairfield situation. Let me begin by saying, I do not think that anyone is colluding to bump up Courtney's scores. I also think she has rightfully won every award, title, and placement she has ever recieved at Miss NJ. BUT I think it is an unfair advantage to have your sister backstage during portions of the competition and rehearsals. This is a very stressful time for the girls. Being put under the microscope and being away from all your friends and loved ones for a week. Any Miss NJ contestant would tell you that they would love to have their sister, brother, cousin, or best friend backstage even if they could never speak to one another. It adds that extra level of comfort and assurance that you cannot gain from seeing your family in the crowd as you walk out to compete. Did this help her? We'll never know, but why even give me a chance to question it?

[> [> Subject: Please don't start this again. If you have a problem with it, call Sally Johnston. She hired Ashley Fairfield to assist her with the Little Star Program. Ashley is not only a former Miss NJ, she is a teacher. I think its great that Ashley is still a part of the Miss New Jersey Organization, and constantly gives back. Please, we need our formers to be around. Author: Another Former [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:30:38 02/13/14 Thu

[> [> [> Subject: How about Courtney mom being on the board for the pageant she compete in. Plus in past years when her sister compete when her sister was the MC of the pageant. Sally Johnston should of ask if Courtney was going to compete. Ashley should step down and wait until her sister ages out or no longer compete. How about that, it not hard to step down. Author: Just saying [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:50:07 02/13/14 Thu

[> [> [> [> Subject: Wow. You really need to get your facts straight. Lou, Sally and the MNJEF knows the truth. Stop bashing volunteers. Author: In The Know [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:56:10 02/13/14 Thu

[> [> [> [> Subject: Whether or not she helped her sister stage we will never know. But, just the possibility of people thinking she might should be reason enough for her to abstain from helping while her sister competes. Why taint her accomplishments with "what ifs"? It's really not fair to the sister competing to have anyone question her win, so just step back for now. Author: She should graciously step aside until the proper time. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:42:42 02/13/14 Thu

[> [> [> Subject: Click in Author: DMB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:00:31 02/13/14 Thu It's not just about the rules it's about having some moral rules as well. It's about doing the right thing. And encouraging other young girls to make a difference and get involved in the system. These clicks make it very difficult for new girls to compete. You are wrong about KS mom the dance studio danced along side of her car in the parade. Thought there was a no contact rule. Ashley F. she is a former Miss NJ and she was helping her sister back stage. The directors with relatives in the system have access to paperwork and judges comments. Wouldn't it be nice to hear your child's feedback after every pageant you know because your friends with the other directors so of course they will get you the feedback. My favorite part, is at the OT pageant AN (a former Nj contestant) was there helping out. But I heard first hand she was sneaking backstage and doing hair and make up for only certain girl/girls. Again how is that fair. Some of these girls don't have the connection of knowing directors or former miss contestants. Certainly would be nice to know my family member had someone to touch up hair and make up all night.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Same former Miss NJ contestant was also working backstage at the most recent Miss local. The winner just so happens to be her friend. Was she there as a helper to all of the girls? Seems to smell a little bit fishy, kinda like the Fairfield issue. Every competitor should be so lucky to have their "coach" backstage with them. Author: DE [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:51:21 02/13/14 Thu

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I can solve this issue. Every girl gets one loved one / coach back stage during the competition. Author: They always say they need more volunteers! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:06:02 02/13/14 Thu

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: they always need VOLUNTEERS Author: ITS THE HIIGH SCHOOL CLICK [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:07:37 02/17/14 Mon You can only be a volunteer if you are in the little click that they have, if your mom and aunt competed, now you are in the click, but if you are an outsider who wants to help it NO because you might find out the little secrets that go on like the cheating, sisters, family involvement etc., etc., etc. and Natalie has been back stage helping certain teens at the MAO. Like Alyssa

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Agreed, some volunteers have other motives. Author: Fishy indeed... [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:13:43 02/13/14 Thu

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Agreed, some volunteers have other motives. Author: Sick People [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:44:03 02/16/14 Sun Wow, you people who think you know the facts don'tknow anything.No one was sneaking around back stage at OT, the person you are referring to was helping everyone and anyone who wanted it. She has aged out and is doing exactly what yu people want, girls to give back to the organization. She also is offering her services for hair and makeup for Miss pageants that want her too. From whatI heard she got permission from Lou to help pageants who would like her help. Get your facts right before you say things that are hurtful to others.

[> Subject: I don't think it is appropriate to blame volunteers for anything. If a pageant is "fishy" you must look at the Director who has control of the judges' panel and auditor. Author: not the volunteers [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:16:20 02/16/14 Sun >2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family member >who served in any capacity on the board of the state >or the national organization or as a volunteer must >have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior >to the time that I am eligible to compete in my first >local competition.Immediate Family is defined as >parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings >whether by whole or half blood, by marriage including >step-children, adoption or natural relation. This six >(6) month rule also pertains to the local >organization’s board and volunteers with respect to >their immediate family. However, pertaining to local >competitions, I am eligible to enter another local >organization where an immediate family member does not >serve in any capacity within my state and they may >maintain their position in their local organization.

[> [> Subject: No one is calling the fairfield story fishy. It just she wins prelims at miss nj in the only phase of competition her sister is backstage. Could be because she's calmer with her sister backstage with the stars during that competition. It's wrong of Lou and Sally to ask Ashely and its wrong of her to accept. Author: A former in the know just saying [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:45:35 02/16/14 Sun >>2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family member >>who served in any capacity on the board of the state >>or the national organization or as a volunteer must >>have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior >>to the time that I am eligible to compete in my first >>local competition.Immediate Family is defined as >>parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings >>whether by whole or half blood, by marriage including >>step-children, adoption or natural relation. This six >>(6) month rule also pertains to the local >>organization’s board and volunteers with respect to >>their immediate family. However, pertaining to local >>competitions, I am eligible to enter another local >>organization where an immediate family member does not >>serve in any capacity within my state and they may >>maintain their position in their local organization.

[> [> [> Subject: Here is what should happen the Fairfield Family should be able to help out in the Miss America system until either Courtney ages out or wants to stop competing. Now the question should be courtney be allowed to keep her title Miss Atlantic County while her mom was a member on the boards while courtney was competing. Author: Something should be done [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:23:06 02/23/14 Sun >>>2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family member >>>who served in any capacity on the board of the state >>>or the national organization or as a volunteer must >>>have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior >>>to the time that I am eligible to compete in my first >>>local competition.Immediate Family is defined as >>>parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings >>>whether by whole or half blood, by marriage including >>>step-children, adoption or natural relation. This six >>>(6) month rule also pertains to the local >>>organization’s board and volunteers with respect to >>>their immediate family. However, pertaining to local >>>competitions, I am eligible to enter another local >>>organization where an immediate family member does >not >>>serve in any capacity within my state and they may >>>maintain their position in their local organization.

[> [> [> [> Subject: I forgot to put " should not be able to help out" the word not in my sentence. Author: not [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:26:42 02/23/14 Sun >>>>2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family >member >>>>who served in any capacity on the board of the state >>>>or the national organization or as a volunteer must >>>>have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior >>>>to the time that I am eligible to compete in my >first >>>>local competition.Immediate Family is defined as >>>>parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings >>>>whether by whole or half blood, by marriage >including >>>>step-children, adoption or natural relation. This >six >>>>(6) month rule also pertains to the local >>>>organization’s board and volunteers with respect to >>>>their immediate family. However, pertaining to local >>>>competitions, I am eligible to enter another local >>>>organization where an immediate family member does >>not >>>>serve in any capacity within my state and they may >>>>maintain their position in their local organization.

[> [> Subject: Re: I don't think it is appropriate to blame volunteers for anything. If a pageant is "fishy" you must look at the Director who has control of the judges' panel and auditor. Author: We need another Sylvia to keep people straight! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:15:10 02/24/14 Mon When you question anything in this system you are blacklisted.

[> [> [> Subject: none of the pageants are fishy. it's just certain people are in positions they shouldn't be in. Author: okay? [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:02:11 02/26/14 Wed >When you question anything in this system you are >blacklisted.

[> Subject: I had a question somewhat related to this. In a pageant this year there were two judges who were board members for another pageant in the Miss New Jersey system, but one of the contestants had formerly held the title that they belonged to the board for, and at least one other contestant had competed in the local before. Is this allowed Author: A rules question? [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:44:00 02/28/14 Fri >2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family member >who served in any capacity on the board of the state >or the national organization or as a volunteer must >have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior >to the time that I am eligible to compete in my first >local competition.Immediate Family is defined as >parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings >whether by whole or half blood, by marriage including >step-children, adoption or natural relation. This six >(6) month rule also pertains to the local >organization’s board and volunteers with respect to >their immediate family. However, pertaining to local >competitions, I am eligible to enter another local >organization where an immediate family member does not >serve in any capacity within my state and they may >maintain their position in their local organization.

[> [> Subject: Yes, this is allowed. Depending on the directors of the pageant, some judges get the paperwork a few days a head to get question for the girls and also see if they know any of them. I competed in a local were one of the judges knew me. I did not win, but all the judge sign that she did know me and her knowing me was not going to be an issue. This happens a lot in pageants. Author: name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:12:25 03/01/14 Sat >>2.6.9. Family Volunteers. Any immediate family member >>who served in any capacity on the board of the state >>or the national organization or as a volunteer must >>have formally resigned at least six (6) months prior >>to the time that I am eligible to compete in my first >>local competition.Immediate Family is defined as >>parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and siblings >>whether by whole or half blood, by marriage including >>step-children, adoption or natural relation. This six >>(6) month rule also pertains to the local >>organization’s board and volunteers with respect to >>their immediate family. However, pertaining to local >>competitions, I am eligible to enter another local >>organization where an immediate family member does not >>serve in any capacity within my state and they may >>maintain their position in their local organization.