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Date Posted: 11:42:12 04/28/02 Sun
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
backup forum. :)








MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

Sunny
In Response To Pig cleaner
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:21

You got THAT from that?! (your second statement from your first) HOW? LOL...doesn't
compute. Just cuz someone says they are happy for those that were ready to go to heaven, that
were killed in 9-11 doesn't mean they were glad it happened, or that we should cheer on folks
that kill christians. Was there more to what you read, that you didn't cut & paste? Must have
been, or you need to rethink in a mighty way.

Pig Cleaner
In Response To Connie
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:19

He is able to view all of history and each person's life and choices and see what they
choose. What don't you understand about that statement? Can't be any clearer unless you
have a mind that's completely closed.

That life does not exist until it is created, and it cannot be created until She makes the decisions.
This standing outside of time business is a wonderful idear, until one reads a few science fiction
novels and starts understanding what these biblical teachrs are saying.

Better than they do.

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:18

Goodnight huggz, be blessed.

Sunny
In Response To dori~
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:18

Hey there! yeah amazingly I am here two nights in a row. (G) Not for long, but nice to stop in. I
dunno exactly what the reason for Murray being so confident Praggie ain't a christian, but I do
know how mistaken M. probably is about this person. Those that practice righteousness ARE
rightous, yet narrow the way & FEW find it. Those that think they will & mormons won't might
not even get there to SEE that some mormons made it. (G) Tons of churches today cuz the
Great Apostasy is huge. What is it? MODERN RELIGION! However, a few pure souls can be
found within its churches, ALL of them. THESE pure souls will see God.

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:16

Good night also to you.

Sunny
In Response To Yes it was a good call, thanks
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:14

.

Sunny
In Response To LOL another danged typo (G)
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:13

Freudian slip? I added the word "not" in the operative phrase. sorry (g)

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:13

"This scripture refers to such as the CEO of a great company, etc, of those that are good
humanists, etc."

Good call. Reasonably arrived at by the biblical text.

Sunny
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:12

"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise
you have no reward from your Father in heaven.

What are the OPERATIVE words of this script? "to not be seen by them." ONLY GOD can
read the inner motives of man. We all will be seen by someone when we do most things in this
crowded world. Only God knows IF a person is doing the good they do TO BE SEEN, for that
ego rush.

Murray
In Response To dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:10

OK, then. Good night.

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:10

I did not only not see a changed soul, I saw no soul. I saw a particularly insidious form of
wickedness.

LOL, sorry but it is that funny. You best get those eyes checked, for they ain't serving you too
well. Seeing, you did NOT see. You couldn't see beyond your Mormon bias, I feel quite sure of
it. Thanks for every post, & have a good weekend. huggz~

Pig Cleaner
In Response To Gerry
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:09

,i>I rejoice in the fact that those who died in the WTC who were Christians are in heaven now. I
mourn for the others who had chances to be Christians but weren't.

So, if some man walked down a street targetting and shooting Christians, he'd be doing God's
will, and we should cheer him on, right?

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:08

The very fact that you and Sunny and others are singing the praises of this man actually fulfills
the Scripture. He has the earthly reward - the praises of men.

This scripture does NOT speak of every person that ever is spoken well of, or NO ONE would
have anything but an earthly reward per this scripture. Every good person has someone speaking
well of them at sometime. This scripture refers to such as the CEO of a great company, etc, of
those that are good humanists, etc.

dori
In Response To Murray
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 1:03

Well, I stand up for my friends and I considered him a good one. And I share my e-mails from
adversaries with my friends, so I guess I'm as reprehensible as he was. I don't share the e-mails
of people I consider friends, but if someone sends me obnoxious mail or things with veiled threats
of drip drip drip, I sure do share them. *-)

As for breaking forum rules, I don't think you have, but who's here to complain?

Murray
In Response To dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 0:45

"When a person tells a good friend about his/her life how is that good works that are done
before men?"

I knew quite a bit about his doings and I wasn't a friend. He posted these things publicly for all to
see. Look, I don't really think it's good to talk about him like this. Probably violates forum rules or
the spirit of them in any case. It's attacking someone personally. I know I brought it up, so I'm
responsible for bringing it in. So, I now take the responsibility for ending it. If you want to talk
about this more, you have the address.

Murray
In Response To dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 0:38

And what's this about him sharing my presumably private emails? You find this admirable?

dori
In Response To Murray
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 0:36

When a person tells a good friend about his/her life how is that good works that are done before
men? He did a wonderful thing, taking in his sister's children and giving her peace of mind when
she was dying. He never spoke of his activities in his church or as a youth leader on this forum.
He told me about those things as I told him of my life. Are you envious of this man's considerable
accomplishments to the point you have to belittle him to build yourself up? That's pretty sad. You
don't need to do that. When Gerry speaks of his helping the street people is he tooting his own
horn? I don't see it that way at all. I see it as him sharing his life with his online friends.

Murray
In Response To dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 0:21

Doris, to be a good debater proves nothing other than that. To have knowledge is really nothing.
Lots of people have knowledge. To do good works is also not necessarily indicative of much
either. However, when those good works are done before men, the Scripture is very clear. First
of all, it says to not do that and second it says the reward in that case is from men with no
heavenly reward. The very fact that you and Sunny and others are singing the praises of this
man actually fulfills the Scripture. He has the earthly reward - the praises of men. I don't mind
being bested in a debate by a skilled debater. I do mind people who stroke others for a desired
result. I hope some day you will appreciate why I did not choose this course with you.

dori
In Response To Sunny and Gerry
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 0:04

Sunny: I'm glad to see you back here sunshine. I think Murray has hard feelings for Praggie
because he finally met his match. Praggie and he had quite a lengthy debate going here that
finally ended up going into e-mail, which Scott forwarded to me to show how hateful Murray had
gotten to him. I think that's where these bad memories of Murray's are coming from. I think
Scott trounced him.

Gerry: Scott would be the first to agree with what you said about him. That's my point in listing
his good attributes. He didn't just spout words from scripture--he lived them as well.

Murray
In Response To I didn't write the book
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:56

"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them.
Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.

(The words of Jesus Christ as recorded in the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Chapter Six, Verse
One)

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:45

Yes, I saw it. I just don't buy it. A precious soul? It would appear he was. I just don't go by
appearances. You speak eloquently and rightly of a soul changing from within. I look for that and
take what people say very carefully to see if there's any sign of that. In this man's case, after
much voluminous posting, I did not only not see a changed soul, I saw no soul. I saw a
particularly insidious form of wickedness.

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:42

I'll peek back in later. It is approaching seven PM here & we're doing carryout local cusine
tonight. I am the driver, so gotta get up from here. see ya afterwhile if you're nightowlin tonight.
huggz~

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:39

Charmed? I have eyes to see & I saw a precious soul. I suspect you are/were BLINDED by
that mormon talk. Just below in my previous posts it is explained clearly how & why Scott will
probably greet us in heaven if any of us makes it there.

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:38

"...they speak of precious little doctrine."

Well, that doesn't describe Scott. He expounded on such things all the time. He not only drank
the Kool-Aid, he made it and served it plenty. He's better than I thought if he charmed you.

Sunny
In Response To Gerry~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:35

If you are not born again by the shed blood of Jesus Christ all the good works that you can do
will not get you there.

This true born again experience is NOT a study of the intellect. It is NOT an agreeing with bible
interpretation. It is a SOUL changing of which there is fruit, & it matters NOT what modern day
church of the apostasy one claims to attend. There'll be some of EVERY church in heaven, in
SPITE OF, not thanks to...that church. The pure in heart WILL SEE GOD...even if they attend
a mormon church. Rare? maybe...impossible..NO.

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