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Date Posted: 11:37:43 04/28/02 Sun
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

GerryB.
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:34

I'm gone till morning which is really upon us already. Wow!!! These Saturday nights just seem to
get shorter and shorter as one gets older.

BBL GLW.

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:32

I know how you think about the matter, & don't mind you repeating it. Being a mormon does
NOT automatically send one to hell anymore than being a member of another church sends to
heaven! I know denominations CANNOT stop themselves from finger pointing, as they feel they
are the truest church, while NONE of them is. "The" church is made up of members sprinkled all
over the globe, most of which have never met & they speak of precious little doctrine. They're
just busy BEING what they are, not studying, analyzing or even debating it, most of the time.
Like a bird that just is a bird, doesn't even take thought to how to do what it naturally does. So it
is with the remnant of true saved ones.

GerryB.
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:31

RE: "By their fruits they are known,"

That is right. Those who don't show by their works that they are saved probably are not. But as I
said in my post, I know many who are just as fine people as Praggie but they deny the teachings
of Christ. They aren't going to make it no matter how great their works are. If you are not born
again by the shed blood of Jesus Christ all the good works that you can do will not get you there.

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:30

I don't want to argue. I just disagree with you. If ever there was a wolf in sheep's clothing, he is
one. The whole Mormon thing stinks literally to high heaven. They change definitions but don't
tell you. They change their doctrines and then deny they ever taught the old ones. Just the way
they dance around the polygamy thing should be enough to convince you.

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:24

Pragman has more reward coming to him, in Heaven. If ANY person on this forum will make
heaven, & if any of us can discern this, Praggie'll be among the number.

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:23

Oh we are living in very EXCITING times, as we shall see Jesus return in His glory, as
obviously as lightening in the sky. We'll see the rest of our bible fulfill, bad times with the good.
I'd trade it in a heartbeat, for my kids, mostly, but I think the spunkier among us had to live in this
time. Our energy is gonna be needed. (g)

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:22

Pragman already has his reward. See Matt 6:1-4.

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:21

I like the old Chinese proverb, "May you live in interesting times." I agree with you that we have
lost a lot of wonderful things that we always thought we would have. We took them for a given.
But, now we must trust in the Lord even more and that is definitely a good thing. And also,
where sin abounds, grace even more abounds. Hallelujah!

Sunny
In Response To Gerry~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:19

While those are all fine things and would great on anyones resume they do not make one a
Christian.

By their fruits they are known, ya know, the true children of God! hmmm...no, works don't make
anyone a christian, not without faith, while faith without the works is DEAD. Pragman'll probably
open the pearly gate for you when you get there. It's what's in the heart, NOT what words one
says from one's church, that determines one's eternity. I think you still don't get it. huggz~

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:16

Nostalgic? You call this nostalgia in me? Nope, it is much more than that. It is that I am now an
ultra-conservative after having been the Texas Hell Cat & I treasure the safer, more moral time
they had, a time when perversion & the sins of the flesh weren't flaunted in living color on tv,
etc. Remember when kids could ride their bikes to the store for Mom without a worry of serious
harm to them? Best thing about this time on the calendar is that for the sake of the elect, it won't
last that much longer.

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:14

Nostalgic I am not. I am about the farthest person you can find from that.

GerryB.
In Response To dori
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:14

RE: "... Pragman, the deceiver, had 7 children of his own, adopted his sister's 5 kids (one of
them disabled) when she died, was an Elder in his church, coached a boy's soccer team, and was
active in all his parish activities."

While those are all fine things and would great on anyones resume they do not make one a
Christian. I know a lot of fine unbelievers who would do all those things and more. However God
is not going to ask those who desire to enter Heaven after their death to submit a resume of all
the great things which they have done. All He wants to know from you at that time is, "What is
your relationship with my son, Jesus Christ, whom I sent to be your redeemer ?"

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:09

I know that, but I don't have to LIKE the hustle & bustle of these busy days. I'd go back to the
fifties in a flash if I could. Guess it's the southern/country in me. Since I can't, I'll be thankful for
moments like this, when I can just sit. (g)

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:06

Nope, no Mayberry RFD for me. We were born for such a time as this and the Lord gives grace
and peace more than enough to handle it all.

Sunny
In Response To Murray~
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:03

LOL so much internet, so little time, sigh. (G) Ah I have precious little internet time these days.
Homeschooling, hubby & life keeping me so busy. Don't ya wish we could give up our
technology & live in Mayberry, RFD? I sure do & if possible, I'd give this stuff up for a slower,
more peaceful life.

Yes I like the sample from that writer, thanks for sharing. How are you? I hope great today.
Thanks for saying howdy. I'm a bit swamped with email, but getting them answered & resting a
spell after grocery shopping. huggz~

GerryB.
In Response To Sim @ 16:57
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:01

Thank you. I pray that God has filled your day with blessings and will do the same tomorrow and
all of your tomorrows.

Murray
In Response To Sunny
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 23:00

The butterfly of the Internet has just flitted in. LOL How are you doin' girl? You'd like this
George Fox guy. Here's a little piece I thought of you when I read, "Passing on, I went among
the professors at Duckingfield and Manchester, where I stayed awhile, and declared truth among
them. There were some convinced who received the Lord's teaching, by which they were
confirmed and stood in the truth. But the professors were in a rage, all pleading for sin and
imperfection, and could not endure to hear talk of perfection, and of a holy and sinless
life. But the Lord's power was over all, though they were chained under darkness and sin, which
they pleaded for, and quenched the tender thing in them.

GerryB.
In Response To Stephen
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:57

RE: Your 14:32. I am one who will take a stand for abstinence only programs. I for one am glad
that the USA is not like the pagan world, thank you. I pray that I will be allowed to have a hand
in teaching my young grandson to avoid sex with any girls unless he is first married to them. He
will then be following God's instructions from the Holy Bible to avoid fornication. If he has any
little sisters I will urge his Mom and Dad to teach them the same way. Abstinence until marriage
is the only right way.

Sunny
In Response To Amen....to dori's 21:19
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:47

.

Murray
In Response To Connie
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:46

Sure you did. The Lord just knew we both needed a good laugh!

Connie
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:42

Smart Alec! Guess I didn't word that right...grin!

Murray
In Response To Connie
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:38

You're welcome. Well, if they were greats of the past, they wouldn't be around in the present,
would they? :) Got your point, though. I think so anyway. :)

Connie
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:35

Thank you! Lot of reading there! I bookmarked it and will start reading tomorrow. I'm always
interested in reading about the "greats" of the past. Don't seem to be many of them around any
more.

Murray
In Response To Connie
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:29

GEORGE FOX An Autobiography Edited with an Introduction and Notes by Rufus M.
Jones, M.A., Litt. D

Connie
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:24

Is Fox's autobiography online. If it is, could you post the link? Thanks!

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