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Date Posted: 13:10:53 12/01/21 Wed
Author: No name
Author Host/IP: 75.166.159.103
Subject: Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs
In reply to:
charles arey
's message, "49 unidentified historical helmet designs" on 19:29:48 11/28/21 Sun
Here is an updated list. Pardon me if some of these have been mentioned already. I made an Excel Spreadsheet to assist. Onward!
1 - Rhodes College Lynx
2 - Baldwin-Wallace Yellow Jackets
3 - ?
4 - I think this might be Tuskegee Institute? Maybe Bethune Cookman?
5 - Fairleigh Dickinson
6 - someone else mentioned Caroll College though now it could be Concordia. This was jsut mentioned earlier today
7 - someone else mentioned Hamline though their helmets were white in their 1976 YB. Could it be Morningside?
8 - Quantico Marines? If you look at Muskateer schedule for 1970 it would make sense s all the other opponents do not
9 - Moravian? Someone else mentioned Albright but Widener did not play them in 1973
10 - California Lutheran University aka California Lutheran College
11 - Not sure. Perhaps Mercyhurst or Alfred
12 - Valaparasio
13 - I think this is a minor league team called the Seattle Cavaliers. That logo is probably a feather?
14 - St. Francis University
15 - Minnesota State University, Mankato ak Mankato State College Indians
16 - Not sure. Maybe Brooklyn College, New Jersey City University, Fairleigh Dickinson University or New York City College of Technology
17 - Pretty sure it is the Crusaders (back then) of Wheaton
18 - Rutgers
19 - Maine Maritime. Very cool logo of US Flag variation with "76"
20 - Elmhurst University
21 - Ricks Vikings ak Brigham Young University–Idaho
22 - University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. Agree on this logo. Very cool!
23 - someone else mentioned Merchant Marine
24 - Upper Iowa Peacocks
25 - I think this is the Emory and Henry Wasps
26 - Not sure. Still need to research
27 - Not sure. Still need to research
28 - Not sure. Still need to research
29 - UMass-Dartmouth ak SMU (Southeastern Massachusetts University)
30 - Rocky Mountain College
31 - Hampden Sydney
32 - Dickinson College Red Devils
33 - Not sure. Still need to research. This one is tough!
34 - Northern Arizona
35 - Not sure. Still need to research. It was mentioned to be Rocky Mountain College but it may not be
36 - This is actually North Dakota State. The Bison logo is ripped up and the photo is backwards!
37 - Fitchburg State
38 - Bud mentioned that this was Rhodes College aka Southwestern at Memphis (SAM)
39 - Not sure. Still need to research
40 - Northeastern Illinois University
41 - Not sure. Still need to research. Might be La Verne
42 - Edinboro
43 - Rhodes College. Damn the Lynx are popular!
44 - Utah State University Eastern aka College of Eastern Utah
45 - Again I think this might be the Seattle Cavaliers (minor league)
46 - Not sure. Still need to research
47 - West Virginia State Yellow Jackets
48 - Ithaca College Bombers
49 - Truman State aka Northeast Missouri State College
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Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs -- Bud, 00:21:38 12/02/21 Thu (104.3.112.146)
>Here is an updated list. Pardon me if some of these
>have been mentioned already. I made an Excel
>Spreadsheet to assist. Onward!
>
>1 - Rhodes College Lynx
>
>2 - Baldwin-Wallace Yellow Jackets
>
>3 - ?
>
>4 - I think this might be Tuskegee Institute? Maybe
>Bethune Cookman?
>
>5 - Fairleigh Dickinson
>
>6 - someone else mentioned Caroll College though now
>it could be Concordia. This was jsut mentioned earlier
>today
>
>7 - someone else mentioned Hamline though their
>helmets were white in their 1976 YB. Could it be
>Morningside?
>
>8 - Quantico Marines? If you look at Muskateer
>schedule for 1970 it would make sense s all the other
>opponents do not
>
>9 - Moravian? Someone else mentioned Albright but
>Widener did not play them in 1973
>
>10 - California Lutheran University aka California
>Lutheran College
>
>11 - Not sure. Perhaps Mercyhurst or Alfred
>
>12 - Valaparasio
>
>13 - I think this is a minor league team called the
>Seattle Cavaliers. That logo is probably a feather?
>
>14 - St. Francis University
>
>15 - Minnesota State University, Mankato ak Mankato
>State College Indians
>
>16 - Not sure. Maybe Brooklyn College, New Jersey City
>University, Fairleigh Dickinson University or New York
>City College of Technology
>
>17 - Pretty sure it is the Crusaders (back then) of
>Wheaton
>
>18 - Rutgers
>
>19 - Maine Maritime. Very cool logo of US Flag
>variation with "76"
>
>20 - Elmhurst University
>
>21 - Ricks Vikings ak Brigham Young University–Idaho
>
>22 - University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. Agree on this
>logo. Very cool!
>
>23 - someone else mentioned Merchant Marine
>
>24 - Upper Iowa Peacocks
>
>25 - I think this is the Emory and Henry Wasps
>
>26 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>27 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>28 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>29 - UMass-Dartmouth ak SMU (Southeastern
>Massachusetts University)
>
>30 - Rocky Mountain College
>
>31 - Hampden Sydney
>
>32 - Dickinson College Red Devils
>
>33 - Not sure. Still need to research. This one is
>tough!
>
>34 - Northern Arizona
>
>35 - Not sure. Still need to research. It was
>mentioned to be Rocky Mountain College but it may not
>be
>
>36 - This is actually North Dakota State. The Bison
>logo is ripped up and the photo is backwards!
>
>37 - Fitchburg State
>
>38 - Bud mentioned that this was Rhodes College aka
>Southwestern at Memphis (SAM)
>
>39 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>40 - Northeastern Illinois University
>
>41 - Not sure. Still need to research. Might be La
>Verne
>
>42 - Edinboro
>
>43 - Rhodes College. Damn the Lynx are popular!
>
>44 - Utah State University Eastern aka College of
>Eastern Utah
>
>45 - Again I think this might be the Seattle Cavaliers
>(minor league)
>
>46 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>47 - West Virginia State Yellow Jackets
>
>48 - Ithaca College Bombers
>
>49 - Truman State aka Northeast Missouri State College
#23: Colgate did not play any teams that had any kind of M in their name or nickname in 1966 (Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Holy Cross, BU, Princeton, Lehigh, Lafayette, Rutgers, Bucknell), and that was true for a number of years in either direction. Charles, are you sure that was from a Colgate game?
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#23 -- charles arey, 21:14:35 12/02/21 Thu (173.187.51.210)
>#23: Colgate did not play any teams that had any kind of M in their name or nickname in 1966 (Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Holy Cross, BU, Princeton, Lehigh, Lafayette, Rutgers, Bucknell), and that was true for a number of years in either direction. Charles, are you sure that was from a Colgate game?
Sorry, it's entirely possible that I botched the documentation somewhere along the way (I've been accumulating these for several years). I might have written "Colgate" when I meant to say "Clarion" or "Cortland" or something. I vaguely remember suspecting that this might be one of the "M" Pennsylvania teams (Millersville, Mansfield, Moravian, etc).
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Re: #23 -- No name, 00:40:58 12/03/21 Fri (75.166.159.103)
Charles,I was able to check out Clarion's and Cortland's 1966 schedules. Unfortunately,no "M" teams on the schedule. Also, that photo does not belong to either 1966 Millersville or 1966 Mansfield,. Not sure about Moravian. Still searching...
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Re: #23 -- charles arey, 02:49:01 12/03/21 Fri (173.187.51.210)
>Charles,I was able to check out Clarion's and
>Cortland's 1966 schedules. Unfortunately,no "M" teams
>on the schedule. Also, that photo does not belong to
>either 1966 Millersville or 1966 Mansfield,. Not sure
>about Moravian. Still searching...
Fortunately i didn’t screw up the information - the photograph appears on page 155 of Colgate’s 1967 yearbook:
https://digitalcollections.colgate.edu/object/studentyearbooks9987#page/1/mode/2up
Maybe that’s not actually an “M” on the side? Or maybe one player wore an “M” for some unknown reason?
I rarely pay any attention to football uniforms, but do sometimes to try to identify an opposing team. There are some stripes on the sleeve of the player in question which could prove diagnostic.
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Re: #23 -- Bud, 13:16:03 12/03/21 Fri (104.3.112.146)
>>Charles,I was able to check out Clarion's and
>>Cortland's 1966 schedules. Unfortunately,no "M" teams
>>on the schedule. Also, that photo does not belong to
>>either 1966 Millersville or 1966 Mansfield,. Not sure
>>about Moravian. Still searching...
>
>Fortunately i didn’t screw up the information - the
>photograph appears on page 155 of Colgate’s 1967
>yearbook:
>
>
>https://digitalcollections.colgate.edu/object/studentye
>arbooks9987#page/1/mode/2up
>
>Maybe that’s not actually an “M” on the side? Or
>maybe one player wore an “M” for some unknown
>reason?
>
>I rarely pay any attention to football uniforms, but
>do sometimes to try to identify an opposing team.
>There are some stripes on the sleeve of the player in
>question which could prove diagnostic.
My guess is that it was a preseason scrimmage game. The white jersey has no stripes, which we assume the road jersey would have been the same design as the home (dark) jersey (back in those days), and there are no fans in the stands. And in preseason scrimmages, the teams don't necessarily wear their regular-season jerseys, anyway.
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Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs -- David H, 17:23:50 12/02/21 Thu (73.113.67.223)
46 might be Trinity (TX) but whats throwing me off is the gold helmets.
But they had a logo that looks somewhat like the one in the pic.
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#46 -- charles arey, 21:04:58 12/02/21 Thu (173.187.51.210)
>46 might be Trinity (TX) but whats throwing me off is
>the gold helmets.
>
>But they had a logo that looks somewhat like the one
>in the pic.
I have a vague memory of thinking at one time that #46 might be Cal Lutheran, but I never did investigate it.
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Re: #46 -- No name, 22:41:01 12/02/21 Thu (75.166.159.103)
Do you mean the helmet in the photo is Cal Lutheran or do you mean the helmet in the photo is a team Cal Lutheran played c. 1970s? Looking at Cal Lutheran YBs they did have a logo like the one in the photo from 1977 and 1979. Seems to be only worn on the left side of the helmet. Also, in 1979, their are some photos of a darker facemask color - not gray.
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Re: #46 -- charles arey, 16:30:38 12/03/21 Fri (173.187.51.210)
>Do you mean the helmet in the photo is Cal Lutheran or
>do you mean the helmet in the photo is a team Cal
>Lutheran played c. 1970s?
I thought the gold helmet with red logo might be Cal Lutheran (playing against Texas Lutheran), but that's just based on a vague rememberance of something I saw a couple years ago. I seem to remember that there was a "50" inside the red-oval shape as seen in another photograph (50th anniversary of the CLU football team, maybe?). It's entirely possible this is completely wrong, though.
Presumably the photograph was found in a Texas Lutheran yearbook, but I didn't note the year, sorry.
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Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs -- No name, 18:33:35 12/07/21 Tue (76.187.28.25)
>Here is an updated list. Pardon me if some of these
>have been mentioned already. I made an Excel
>Spreadsheet to assist. Onward!
>
>1 - Rhodes College Lynx
>
>2 - Baldwin-Wallace Yellow Jackets
>
>3 - ?
>
>4 - I think this might be Tuskegee Institute? Maybe
>Bethune Cookman?
>
>5 - Fairleigh Dickinson
>
>6 - someone else mentioned Caroll College though now
>it could be Concordia. This was jsut mentioned earlier
>today
>
>7 - someone else mentioned Hamline though their
>helmets were white in their 1976 YB. Could it be
>Morningside?
>
>8 - Quantico Marines? If you look at Muskateer
>schedule for 1970 it would make sense s all the other
>opponents do not
>
>9 - Moravian? Someone else mentioned Albright but
>Widener did not play them in 1973
>
>10 - California Lutheran University aka California
>Lutheran College
>
>11 - Not sure. Perhaps Mercyhurst or Alfred
>
>12 - Valaparasio
>
>13 - I think this is a minor league team called the
>Seattle Cavaliers. That logo is probably a feather?
>
>14 - St. Francis University
>
>15 - Minnesota State University, Mankato ak Mankato
>State College Indians
>
>16 - Not sure. Maybe Brooklyn College, New Jersey City
>University, Fairleigh Dickinson University or New York
>City College of Technology
>
>17 - Pretty sure it is the Crusaders (back then) of
>Wheaton
>
>18 - Rutgers
>
>19 - Maine Maritime. Very cool logo of US Flag
>variation with "76"
>
>20 - Elmhurst University
>
>21 - Ricks Vikings ak Brigham Young University–Idaho
>
>22 - University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. Agree on this
>logo. Very cool!
>
>23 - someone else mentioned Merchant Marine
>
>24 - Upper Iowa Peacocks
>
>25 - I think this is the Emory and Henry Wasps
>
>26 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>27 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>28 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>29 - UMass-Dartmouth ak SMU (Southeastern
>Massachusetts University)
>
>30 - Rocky Mountain College
>
>31 - Hampden Sydney
>
>32 - Dickinson College Red Devils
>
>33 - Not sure. Still need to research. This one is
>tough!
>
>34 - Northern Arizona
>
>35 - Not sure. Still need to research. It was
>mentioned to be Rocky Mountain College but it may not
>be
>
>36 - This is actually North Dakota State. The Bison
>logo is ripped up and the photo is backwards!
>
>37 - Fitchburg State
>
>38 - Bud mentioned that this was Rhodes College aka
>Southwestern at Memphis (SAM)
>
>39 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>40 - Northeastern Illinois University
>
>41 - Not sure. Still need to research. Might be La
>Verne
>
>42 - Edinboro
>
>43 - Rhodes College. Damn the Lynx are popular!
>
>44 - Utah State University Eastern aka College of
>Eastern Utah
>
>45 - Again I think this might be the Seattle Cavaliers
>(minor league)
>
>46 - Not sure. Still need to research
>
>47 - West Virginia State Yellow Jackets
>
>48 - Ithaca College Bombers
>
>49 - Truman State aka Northeast Missouri State College
#28 looks like a devil
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Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs -- sam, 18:41:53 12/07/21 Tue (76.187.28.25)
>>Here is an updated list. Pardon me if some of these
>>have been mentioned already. I made an Excel
>>Spreadsheet to assist. Onward!
>>
>>1 - Rhodes College Lynx
>>
>>2 - Baldwin-Wallace Yellow Jackets
>>
>>3 - ?
>>
>>4 - I think this might be Tuskegee Institute? Maybe
>>Bethune Cookman?
>>
>>5 - Fairleigh Dickinson
>>
>>6 - someone else mentioned Caroll College though now
>>it could be Concordia. This was jsut mentioned earlier
>>today
>>
>>7 - someone else mentioned Hamline though their
>>helmets were white in their 1976 YB. Could it be
>>Morningside?
>>
>>8 - Quantico Marines? If you look at Muskateer
>>schedule for 1970 it would make sense s all the other
>>opponents do not
>>
>>9 - Moravian? Someone else mentioned Albright but
>>Widener did not play them in 1973
>>
>>10 - California Lutheran University aka California
>>Lutheran College
>>
>>11 - Not sure. Perhaps Mercyhurst or Alfred
>>
>>12 - Valaparasio
>>
>>13 - I think this is a minor league team called the
>>Seattle Cavaliers. That logo is probably a feather?
>>
>>14 - St. Francis University
>>
>>15 - Minnesota State University, Mankato ak Mankato
>>State College Indians
>>
>>16 - Not sure. Maybe Brooklyn College, New Jersey City
>>University, Fairleigh Dickinson University or New York
>>City College of Technology
>>
>>17 - Pretty sure it is the Crusaders (back then) of
>>Wheaton
>>
>>18 - Rutgers
>>
>>19 - Maine Maritime. Very cool logo of US Flag
>>variation with "76"
>>
>>20 - Elmhurst University
>>
>>21 - Ricks Vikings ak Brigham Young University–Idaho
>>
>>22 - University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. Agree on this
>>logo. Very cool!
>>
>>23 - someone else mentioned Merchant Marine
>>
>>24 - Upper Iowa Peacocks
>>
>>25 - I think this is the Emory and Henry Wasps
>>
>>26 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>
>>27 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>
>>28 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>
>>29 - UMass-Dartmouth ak SMU (Southeastern
>>Massachusetts University)
>>
>>30 - Rocky Mountain College
>>
>>31 - Hampden Sydney
>>
>>32 - Dickinson College Red Devils
>>
>>33 - Not sure. Still need to research. This one is
>>tough!
>>
>>34 - Northern Arizona
>>
>>35 - Not sure. Still need to research. It was
>>mentioned to be Rocky Mountain College but it may not
>>be
>>
>>36 - This is actually North Dakota State. The Bison
>>logo is ripped up and the photo is backwards!
>>
>>37 - Fitchburg State
>>
>>38 - Bud mentioned that this was Rhodes College aka
>>Southwestern at Memphis (SAM)
>>
>>39 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>
>>40 - Northeastern Illinois University
>>
>>41 - Not sure. Still need to research. Might be La
>>Verne
>>
>>42 - Edinboro
>>
>>43 - Rhodes College. Damn the Lynx are popular!
>>
>>44 - Utah State University Eastern aka College of
>>Eastern Utah
>>
>>45 - Again I think this might be the Seattle Cavaliers
>>(minor league)
>>
>>46 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>
>>47 - West Virginia State Yellow Jackets
>>
>>48 - Ithaca College Bombers
>>
>>49 - Truman State aka Northeast Missouri State College
>
>
>#28 looks like a devil
Winsconsin-Stout???
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Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs -- robby, 00:10:23 12/19/21 Sun (76.187.28.25)
>>>Here is an updated list. Pardon me if some of these
>>>have been mentioned already. I made an Excel
>>>Spreadsheet to assist. Onward!
>>>
>>>1 - Rhodes College Lynx
>>>
>>>2 - Baldwin-Wallace Yellow Jackets
>>>
>>>3 - ?
>>>
>>>4 - I think this might be Tuskegee Institute? Maybe
>>>Bethune Cookman?
>>>
>>>5 - Fairleigh Dickinson
>>>
>>>6 - someone else mentioned Caroll College though now
>>>it could be Concordia. This was jsut mentioned
>earlier
>>>today
>>>
>>>7 - someone else mentioned Hamline though their
>>>helmets were white in their 1976 YB. Could it be
>>>Morningside?
>>>
>>>8 - Quantico Marines? If you look at Muskateer
>>>schedule for 1970 it would make sense s all the other
>>>opponents do not
>>>
>>>9 - Moravian? Someone else mentioned Albright but
>>>Widener did not play them in 1973
>>>
>>>10 - California Lutheran University aka California
>>>Lutheran College
>>>
>>>11 - Not sure. Perhaps Mercyhurst or Alfred
>>>
>>>12 - Valaparasio
>>>
>>>13 - I think this is a minor league team called the
>>>Seattle Cavaliers. That logo is probably a feather?
>>>
>>>14 - St. Francis University
>>>
>>>15 - Minnesota State University, Mankato ak Mankato
>>>State College Indians
>>>
>>>16 - Not sure. Maybe Brooklyn College, New Jersey
>City
>>>University, Fairleigh Dickinson University or New
>York
>>>City College of Technology
>>>
>>>17 - Pretty sure it is the Crusaders (back then) of
>>>Wheaton
>>>
>>>18 - Rutgers
>>>
>>>19 - Maine Maritime. Very cool logo of US Flag
>>>variation with "76"
>>>
>>>20 - Elmhurst University
>>>
>>>21 - Ricks Vikings ak Brigham Young
>University–Idaho
>>>
>>>22 - University of Wisconsin-Whitewater. Agree on
>this
>>>logo. Very cool!
>>>
>>>23 - someone else mentioned Merchant Marine
>>>
>>>24 - Upper Iowa Peacocks
>>>
>>>25 - I think this is the Emory and Henry Wasps
>>>
>>>26 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>>
>>>27 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>>
>>>28 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>>
>>>29 - UMass-Dartmouth ak SMU (Southeastern
>>>Massachusetts University)
>>>
>>>30 - Rocky Mountain College
>>>
>>>31 - Hampden Sydney
>>>
>>>32 - Dickinson College Red Devils
>>>
>>>33 - Not sure. Still need to research. This one is
>>>tough!
>>>
>>>34 - Northern Arizona
>>>
>>>35 - Not sure. Still need to research. It was
>>>mentioned to be Rocky Mountain College but it may not
>>>be
>>>
>>>36 - This is actually North Dakota State. The Bison
>>>logo is ripped up and the photo is backwards!
>>>
>>>37 - Fitchburg State
>>>
>>>38 - Bud mentioned that this was Rhodes College aka
>>>Southwestern at Memphis (SAM)
>>>
>>>39 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>>
>>>40 - Northeastern Illinois University
>>>
>>>41 - Not sure. Still need to research. Might be La
>>>Verne
>>>
>>>42 - Edinboro
>>>
>>>43 - Rhodes College. Damn the Lynx are popular!
>>>
>>>44 - Utah State University Eastern aka College of
>>>Eastern Utah
>>>
>>>45 - Again I think this might be the Seattle
>Cavaliers
>>>(minor league)
>>>
>>>46 - Not sure. Still need to research
>>>
>>>47 - West Virginia State Yellow Jackets
>>>
>>>48 - Ithaca College Bombers
>>>
>>>49 - Truman State aka Northeast Missouri State
>College
>>
>>
>>#28 looks like a devil
>Winsconsin-Stout???
maybe...
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Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs -- No name, 12:50:15 12/19/21 Sun (71.211.149.42)
Pretty sure it's not Wisconsin-Stout. They have their yearbooks online and I looked at all yearbooks from 1970-1985.
Nope. When I first seen the helmet in question I thought of Northwestern State (Louisiana). The Demons. Nope. Not them either.
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Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs -- David H, 12:46:15 12/21/21 Tue (73.113.67.223)
I believe it might be a Viking Long Boat and the opponent is Western Washington possibly
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Re: 49 unidentified historical helmet designs -- No name, 21:01:04 01/02/22 Sun (174.250.180.243)
26 is Newberry College
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