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[> Re: Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex France -- Robert Harradine, 09:26:28 07/10/04 Sat

>Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council
>of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex!
>
>Robert Harradine
>14 Furze Ride
>Peterborough
>Cambs
pe1 3ua
>UK
>Tel: + 44 01733 709876
>
>
>2004-07-10
>
>Till Europadomstolen i Strasbourg
>Dear Sir / Madam
Now we are viewing digital television at far to higher a cost. I feel that it is time the BBC funded there programs with advertising as do all others.We are having to pay �120.00 per year for BBC and I for one would like to be rid of it. I am having to pay for something I do not want.
Why should I have to pay for something I do not wan?
BBC are making millions of pounds every year and mostly from people who really can not afford it. I like many others live on a pension that doesn't allow me to have a holiday and having to pay �120.00 per year for something I do not want is surely an infringment to my rights.
Hope this meets with your kind consideration and approval
I remain yours sincerely

R.J.H.
>

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[> Re: Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex France -- Stephen Hudson, 13:33:25 08/02/05 Tue



I need your Postal address in order to send a written letter to the court


THANK YOU

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[> Re: Do NOT FALL FOR THE 6 DOLLAR SCAMS! MAKE MILLIONS FAST AND EASY! -- Daniel, 19:20:49 04/27/04 Tue

>Fast Easy Money! Earn MILLIONS of $$$!!!
>Now here is how you can make Millions of $$$$s or
>�����s or any currency in the world!!! PRINT THIS PAGE
>NOW OR YOU WILL BE SORRY!!!! Now you probably have
>been scanning different news groups to find out which
>one is the best, haven�t you? I certainly did. But
>don�t leave just yet. You�ve probably seen newsgroups
>which start � I was looking through a newsgroup, just
>like you are now� �I was sceptical at first� and �I�ve
>spent more than that on lottery tickets� I have seen
>many of them around. Asking for you to send $6 and
>you�ll receive $15,000. Well I�m asking you to send
>$10 and receive well over $5,000,000 (5 million
>bucks). I know it sounds crazy but here is what you
>have to do. Follow the instructions CAREFULLY. 1) Get
>10 $1 bills and wrap them in separate pieces of paper
>each saying � Add me to your mailing list Please."
>Also your name and address. 2) Put these separate
>pieces of paper and put them into separate envelopes,
>sending each one to the names below. You should now
>have 10 envelopes with each $1 in and with your name
>inside. 3) Now you need to send this message to 200
>newsgroups on the Internet. What you do is put your
>cursor at the top and highlight it all and select
>�copy� then open up �Word� or anything to write on and
>select �paste�. Now all you need to do is place your
>name and address on the number 10 spot and move
>everybody up a place, so 10 becomes 9, 9 becomes 8
>ect, ect, now knock number 1 off the top, so 2 becomes
>1. 4) Here are the names you need to send the money
>to. 1) Chris Adkins, 127 Cupsaw Dr., Ringwood N.J.
>07456 USA 2) Simon Belgian, 1212 Viola Ave., Glendale
>CA, 91202 USA 3) Creative Consulting, 4302 N. 16th
>Ave., Phoenix, AZ 85015 USA 4) M L Enterprises 27-1300
>King St. E. Box 135 Oshwa Ontario, Canada L 1H-8J4 5)
>S. Soudakov Elmshurst House Bromsgrove School Worcs
>B61 7DuEngland 6) S. Kerr 21 Serpentine Rd Selly Park
>Birmingham B29 7HU 7) N. Smith 909 S. 7th Ave W.,
>Newton, IA, 50208 USA 8) C. Law 112 Wild Iris Lane,
>Chapel Hill, NC 27514 USA 9) C. Parsons 12110 434th
>Avenue SE North Bend, WA 98045 10) Daniel Sayani 1917
>Cropsey Avenue Brooklyn,NY 11214 USA Now this is how
>it works. As you post this, to 200 newsgroups and
>people read and think � Ah I will join up to this.�
>And let�s say only 5 people reply (a very low number)
>That is $5. Now those 5 people send out 200 news
>groups and follow the instructions as your name is at
>number 9. Lets say 5 people answer to each 200 news
>groups, then that�s another $25. Now if they follow
>the instructions carefully, your name is at number 7
>and you get $125. Now if those 125 people send out 200
>news groups you receive $625. And again your name
>moves up to 6 and you receive $3,125. They now post
>the news groups and your name moves up to 5 and those
>people reply you get $15,625. Now this is where the
>newsgroups I was speaking about earlier finish, that�s
>it. $6, 6 places. But now your name is now sent out at
>your name at number 4 and you receive $78,125. Your
>name has still got 3 more places to go yet. So now
>with your name at no 3 you get a whopping $390,625.
>Once again your name moves to 2 and you are going to
>receive $1,953,125 (1 million nine hundred and fifty
>thousand, one hundred and twenty five dollars!!!!!!)
>But wait, you�ve got one more place to move up. Number
>1. You will receive $9,765,625. Can you grasp how much
>that is Nine Million. Oh no, your name had drooped of
>the list, oh well just start again and get some more
>MILLIONS rolling in. These numbers have only been
>calculated, if only 5 people respond to each 200
>newsgroups, just think of how many people are on the
>net!! It has been estimated that 20,000 to 50,000 join
>the Internet every month! ---DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO
>POST TO NEWSGROUPS--- 1.) Copy this article from Step
>1 on down, and save it on your hard drive. 2.) Change
>the info for the #10 spot to your name/address 3.)
>Open Netscape or Internet Explorer, and go to a search
>engine, and search for Newsgroups, Message Boards,
>Chatting, or Discussions. 4.) Visit these message
>boards, open up the file that you saved, and paste
>this message onto the newsgroups, message boards,
>etc... Once you get the hang of it, it only takes
>about 30 seconds per group. The reason why you must
>send off the money in the first place is that you
>create a legal service and this is not fraud. If you
>did NOT SEND THE MONEY then you would be committing
>FRAUD and can be put away, because you are using other
>people�s name for your own good. Please play fairly
>and send the money and you will receive tons, in the
>next few weeks!!

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[> Re: Do NOT FALL FOR THE 6 DOLLAR SCAMS! MAKE MILLIONS FAST AND EASY! -- M. Wanmony, 19:10:00 10/18/04 Mon

>Fast Easy Money! Earn MILLIONS of $$$!!!
>Now here is how you can make Millions of $$$$s or
>�����s or any currency in the world!!! PRINT THIS PAGE
>NOW OR YOU WILL BE SORRY!!!! Now you probably have
>been scanning different news groups to find out which
>one is the best, haven�t you? I certainly did. But
>don�t leave just yet. You�ve probably seen newsgroups
>which start � I was looking through a newsgroup, just
>like you are now� �I was sceptical at first� and �I�ve
>spent more than that on lottery tickets� I have seen
>many of them around. Asking for you to send $6 and
>you�ll receive $15,000. Well I�m asking you to send
>$10 and receive well over $5,000,000 (5 million
>bucks). I know it sounds crazy but here is what you
>have to do. Follow the instructions CAREFULLY. 1) Get
>10 $1 bills and wrap them in separate pieces of paper
>each saying � Add me to your mailing list Please."
>Also your name and address. 2) Put these separate
>pieces of paper and put them into separate envelopes,
>sending each one to the names below. You should now
>have 10 envelopes with each $1 in and with your name
>inside. 3) Now you need to send this message to 200
>newsgroups on the Internet. What you do is put your
>cursor at the top and highlight it all and select
>�copy� then open up �Word� or anything to write on and
>select �paste�. Now all you need to do is place your
>name and address on the number 10 spot and move
>everybody up a place, so 10 becomes 9, 9 becomes 8
>ect, ect, now knock number 1 off the top, so 2 becomes
>1. 4) Here are the names you need to send the money
>to. 1) Chris Adkins, 127 Cupsaw Dr., Ringwood N.J.
>07456 USA 2) Simon Belgian, 1212 Viola Ave., Glendale
>CA, 91202 USA 3) Creative Consulting, 4302 N. 16th
>Ave., Phoenix, AZ 85015 USA 4) M L Enterprises 27-1300
>King St. E. Box 135 Oshwa Ontario, Canada L 1H-8J4 5)
>S. Soudakov Elmshurst House Bromsgrove School Worcs
>B61 7DuEngland 6) S. Kerr 21 Serpentine Rd Selly Park
>Birmingham B29 7HU 7) N. Smith 909 S. 7th Ave W.,
>Newton, IA, 50208 USA 8) C. Law 112 Wild Iris Lane,
>Chapel Hill, NC 27514 USA 9) C. Parsons 12110 434th
>Avenue SE North Bend, WA 98045 10)M. Wanmony 2688 Puesta Del Sol , Santa Barbara, CA 93105
>Now this is how
>it works. As you post this, to 200 newsgroups and
>people read and think � Ah I will join up to this.�
>And let�s say only 5 people reply (a very low number)
>That is $5. Now those 5 people send out 200 news
>groups and follow the instructions as your name is at
>number 9. Lets say 5 people answer to each 200 news
>groups, then that�s another $25. Now if they follow
>the instructions carefully, your name is at number 7
>and you get $125. Now if those 125 people send out 200
>news groups you receive $625. And again your name
>moves up to 6 and you receive $3,125. They now post
>the news groups and your name moves up to 5 and those
>people reply you get $15,625. Now this is where the
>newsgroups I was speaking about earlier finish, that�s
>it. $6, 6 places. But now your name is now sent out at
>your name at number 4 and you receive $78,125. Your
>name has still got 3 more places to go yet. So now
>with your name at no 3 you get a whopping $390,625.
>Once again your name moves to 2 and you are going to
>receive $1,953,125 (1 million nine hundred and fifty
>thousand, one hundred and twenty five dollars!!!!!!)
>But wait, you�ve got one more place to move up. Number
>1. You will receive $9,765,625. Can you grasp how much
>that is Nine Million. Oh no, your name had drooped of
>the list, oh well just start again and get some more
>MILLIONS rolling in. These numbers have only been
>calculated, if only 5 people respond to each 200
>newsgroups, just think of how many people are on the
>net!! It has been estimated that 20,000 to 50,000 join
>the Internet every month! ---DIRECTIONS FOR HOW TO
>POST TO NEWSGROUPS--- 1.) Copy this article from Step
>1 on down, and save it on your hard drive. 2.) Change
>the info for the #10 spot to your name/address 3.)
>Open Netscape or Internet Explorer, and go to a search
>engine, and search for Newsgroups, Message Boards,
>Chatting, or Discussions. 4.) Visit these message
>boards, open up the file that you saved, and paste
>this message onto the newsgroups, message boards,
>etc... Once you get the hang of it, it only takes
>about 30 seconds per group. The reason why you must
>send off the money in the first place is that you
>create a legal service and this is not fraud. If you
>did NOT SEND THE MONEY then you would be committing
>FRAUD and can be put away, because you are using other
>people�s name for your own good. Please play fairly
>and send the money and you will receive tons, in the
>next few weeks!!

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[> what a buncha horse doo! -- jim, 20:02:46 09/15/01 Sat

there's no way world peace will arise from the murder of thousands of innocent citizens of the most powerful nation on earth.

we've also been the most generous. feeding and sheltering millions all over the world. bailing out almost every country in the world, whether friend or foe,at one time or another, from nearly every kind of natural, economic and man-made disaster.

what the murders said was not "stop"! they said we will continue to murder jews and foreign nationals alike until they all come to worship islam or die!

just in case you haven't read mr gordon sinclair's (a canadian, not an american) article about america i'm posting it below this one.

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[> [> Re: what a buncha horse doo!re-jim the the butt of the horse!! -- william wallace, 18:40:06 12/10/02 Tue

>JIm,You forgot to mention the forced genentically engeneered corn and other crops the "amercan corperations are forcing on the peoples of the world.I am a american.A native american sir.You dont want to mention how wonderful this country has treated this group of humans.What about Gulf war vets,sick and dieng.Its um,all in your heads guys.Vietnman vets seemed to have the same desease.Now,prion desease is everyware,yes,ur son or duaghter may have just had a glass of milk contamananted with it and in 15 years shell be disabled.
Oh,dont let me forget the wonderful corperate crooks who steal from the elderly pensions and all the other theft of cash through manipulation of politicians thats is going on everyday!!!!JIm,Its time to wake up and understand your ruining your sons and duaghters country by not demanding a change immediatly.this country,allof its news media is run by corperations.corperations have no ethics.u figure out the rest.
william wallace






there's no way world peace will arise from the murder
>of thousands of innocent citizens of the most powerful
>nation on earth.
>
>we've also been the most generous. feeding and
>sheltering millions all over the world. bailing out
>almost every country in the world, whether friend or
>foe,at one time or another, from nearly every kind of
>natural, economic and man-made disaster.
>
>what the murders said was not "stop"! they said we
>will continue to murder jews and foreign nationals
>alike until they all come to worship islam or die!
>
>just in case you haven't read mr gordon sinclair's (a
>canadian, not an american) article about america i'm
>posting it below this one.

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[> the good neighbor, by gordon sinclair -- jim, 20:05:54 09/15/01 Sat

America: The Good Neighbor.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given to a remarkable
editorial
broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator.

What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most
generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out
of
the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying
even
the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who
propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in
to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into
discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about
the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion
of the United States dollar build its own airplane.

Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
them?

Why do all the International ! lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the
moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.

You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon-not once,
but several times-and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store
window for everybody to look at.

Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our
streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are
getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through
age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.

When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody
loaned them an old caboose.

Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other
people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to
the Americans in trouble?

I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired
of hearing them get kicked around.

They will come out of this thing with their flag high.

And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that
are
gloating over their present troubles. I hope "Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

and if the afghani's or the palestinians should suddenly suffer typhoons or earthquakes or volcanic devastation, i'd bet it all that the usa would be there to help out again, because that's who we are!

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[> [> sorry, i need to state for the record that the last paragraph is mine, not his. -- jim, 20:08:59 09/15/01 Sat


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[> [> How about Hungary 1956? (No help from USA) -- Central European Woman, 06:58:37 09/17/01 Mon

I'm not so well-informed on global events as you are, I'm afraid. But:

In 1956, Hungarians revolted against the Soviet rule of their country and - as I heared - America failed to help...

Well, just a little cynical remark.

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[> [> [> HELP ME TO LIVE A BETTER LIFE -- DENY, 23:18:46 10/14/02 Mon

HI MY NAME IS DENY AND WRIGHT NOW I AM LIVING IN OREGON AND I DONT HAVE A JOB OR INCOME I EVEN DONT HAVE TO EAT AND DRINK OVER HERE THERE IS NOBADY TO HELP ME SO I AM SENDING MESSEGE SO WHOULD HAVE SOME SIMPATHY ON ME AND TRY TO SEND ME A EMAIL SOON AS POSSIBLE,FROM DENY

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[> [> [> Re: How about Hungary 1956? (No help from USA) -- Lime, 15:31:03 01/23/03 Thu

Yep, Nagi the premier who was executed in secret later on begged the U.N to help the Hungarians in their cause but unfortunately. The U.N didn't do anything but the Hungarians still held their ground to the very end of the revolution in Oct 4th or something in 1956 the year of our lord.

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[> [> Re: US help to those little unthankful countries -- Central European Woman, 05:17:31 09/19/01 Wed

Why doesn't the USA then simply punish those little unthankful (undutiful ;-)) countries by stopping to help them?
Then they will fall into ruins automatically, won't they?

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[> [> Re: the good neighbor, by gordon sinclair -- TS, 03:34:07 11/18/01 Sun

Where da hell are you getting your information from?

Airlines: European airlines mainly have Airbus, not because its an european company, but because they are considered to be better than Boeing.

Moon: Europeans do not need to conquer the moon, because we better stake our money in social systems to prevent a divided society.

"When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through
age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them."

What? When?


Patriotism is good, when you get the point that even America isn't better than any country in the world.

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[> [> [> Re: the good neighbor, by gordon sinclair -- nomoregore, 12:14:10 03/09/02 Sat

>Where da hell are you getting your information from?
>
>Airlines: European airlines mainly have Airbus, not
>because its an european company, but because they are
>considered to be better than Boeing.
>
>Moon: Europeans do not need to conquer the moon,
>because we better stake our money in social systems to
>prevent a divided society.
>
>"When the railways of France, Germany and India were
>breaking down through
>age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them."
>
>What? When?
>
>
>Patriotism is good, when you get the point that even
>America isn't better than any country in the world.

You are the very reason the U.S. should act unilaterally to destroy the forces of international terrorism. You were a fair weather friend then, you are a fair weather friend now, and will always be fair weather friends. Or should I say, a bad weather friend, since we saved your butts time after time when you were threatened.

The U.S. needs your 'friendship' like a dog needs fleas. We should stop all foreign aid, since you have your precious 'social programs', and obviously (guffaw) can take care of yourselves.

Good Luck, Charlie.

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[> Re: world peace -- Chazman, 15:17:19 09/16/01 Sun

Nice Fairy Tale! When the tactical Nukes start blowing the towels off of the sand flea's heads, they will then realize what the REAL ending is going to be!

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[> [> Will you be happy when 'the tactical Nukes' start doing that? -- Central European Woman, 07:33:50 09/17/01 Mon

Will you be sitting at home with your bowl of popcorn and watch it on tv? And what if some sand fleas get their hands on some other 'Nukes' (provided that they haven't done yet)? ...

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[> [> [> Re: Will you be happy when 'the tactical Nukes' start doing that? -- Chazman, 13:56:54 09/18/01 Tue

>Will you be sitting at home with your bowl of popcorn
>and watch it on tv? And what if some sand fleas get
>their hands on some other 'Nukes' (provided that they
>haven't done yet)? ...

If the towel heads set off one nuclear device in the U.S., Middle East peace will be assured, because in 24 hrs. the only ones to be left alive in the middle east will be the Isrealis!

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[> [> [> [> Are you absolutely sure? (NIM (no internal message)) -- Central European Woman, 05:09:21 09/19/01 Wed


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[> Amen! - Violence is not a solution. -- Central European Woman, 07:23:07 09/17/01 Mon

OK, "hunt down and punish those responsible" for these terrible attacks on the US - but, please, only those.

If you kill masses of innocent Pakistanis or Afghanistanis - or the citizens of any other country - to revenge the killing of thousands of innocent Americans, this 'an eye for an eye' policy may lead to an endless 'vendetta', I mean, a series of revenges, in the form of wars.

And WAR IS BAD! It's to be avoided!

I wish you were right, "Sumadart Son"! May your words come true and turn things around :)!

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[> [> Re: Amen! - Violence is not a solution. -- nos tradamus, 13:34:15 04/25/03 Fri

>OK, "hunt down and punish those responsible" for these
>terrible attacks on the US - but, please, only those.
>
>If you kill masses of innocent Pakistanis or
>Afghanistanis - or the citizens of any other country -
>to revenge the killing of thousands of innocent
>Americans, this 'an eye for an eye' policy may lead to
>an endless 'vendetta', I mean, a series of revenges,
>in the form of wars.
>
>And WAR IS BAD! It's to be avoided!
>
>I wish you were right, "Sumadart Son"! May your words
>come true and turn things around :)!

nos tradamus

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[> Hey, Nostradamus! -- Chazman, 10:50:30 10/09/01 Tue

Guess you are really proven wrong! I'm sitting in front of the TV right now, drinking a beer and smiling as I watch the towelheads getting blown to hell!

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[> Re: world peace -- Iru, 00:45:07 03/28/02 Thu

>History of World Peace by Orlghods Arwhon
>
>This article was written in 2102 c.e. to celebrate 100
>years of world peace.
>
>Once upon a time, the American Government in its greed
>and desire for power, stuck its nose in to affairs
>which were none of its business. In doing so many
>people�s lives were affected for a very long time.
>This happened in an area we call the Middle East.
>America gave weapons to warring countries and made
>them available to both sides of the warring factions.
>They imposed sanctions on countries knowing that
>children would suffer from lack of food and medicine
>and they committed air raids continually for years.
>
>One day, someone in one of these countries said stop!
>But no one could hear them above the bombs and the
>lies. So someone said fine, let�s show them what it�s
>like to live in a war zone. In the most brilliant
>manouvre ever in the history of war, someone used
>America�s own symbols of freedom from poverty to
>plough into America�s symbols of greed and capitalism,
>the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Many
>Americans were killed and hurt, all innocent victims,
>like the innocent victims who had died in the Middle
>East for decades. Someone was very pleased with
>himself, for not only had he shown the world that
>enough is enough, he had done it without even paying
>for his own fuel.
>
>The American President said oh no! What have I
>brought upon my people? He declared a ban on all
>weapons and apologized to the countries of the Middle
>East for meddling in their lives for so long. The
>American President realized that as the supposed most
>powerful man in the richest part of the world he had
>neglected his biggest duty - to share food and health
>services with every baby born on this planet and
>encourage love and harmony across the face of the
>earth.
>
>The American President was now fired with an urgency
>to rectify the wrongs of the past. He shipped food
>and medicine to the poor countries of the world and he
>organized a mass destruction of weapons from every
>country on earth. This took a long time. The
>American President said please be patient, but the
>people didn�t need to be patient, for once the leader
>of America had found perfect love and perfect trust in
>his heart, all the Western peoples followed and they
>helped to heal the sick and feed the poor. The
>American President held a conference to ask the people
>of every race and religion, what do you want? And he
>listened. This took a long time. The people wanted
>peace but many of them didn�t know how to achieve
>this. They said we have been living with violence
>forever, even before your greedy interference. The
>President did not know what to say. So he said, come
>let�s all pray for peace. And they did, Muslims,
>Christians, Hindus, Pagans, Buddhists and all other
>religions. They prayed together and when they opened
>their eyes they saw something they had never seen
>before � each other. They held hands in wonder,
>daring to hope for world peace and then they realized,
>they had found it. That is how peace on Earth found
>victory.

So Bush said "Oh no!" becuase he managed to single-handedly cause all the countries of the Middle East to hate us and collaborate this effort in just 9 months time? Rethink that one.

www.breathless.virtue.nu/joy.htm

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[> [> HELLO!! "WORLD TRADE CENTER" not maerica trade center -- amanda, 11:32:32 12/09/03 Tue

lets see not only did they kill innocent americans but if you will notice in the title its the world trade center not the american trade center meaning not only were innocent americans killed but people of other nations too!! the world trade center is not the symbol of america try something that has been here longer and it hhmm on our dollars try the white house or anything else not with "world" in the title!!! hmm maybe people really should do more two sided research before they talk about things they don't know!! see another person or countries feeling on things! be more open minded that maybe america is not all evil nor is america perfect!! maybe americans are human too and make mistakes and try to do the right thing though may not always succeed!

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[> Re: world peace -- Davis Brown, 00:31:16 10/27/02 Sun

This post is proof that extremists on the Left are just as arrogant, cold-blooded, and self-righteous as those on the Right. The problems in the Middle East were in place long before the Americans got involved and show me one non-Israeli Middle Eastern leader in the last 60 years who actually PRACTICED democracy.

Better free your mind instead, pal.

Davis

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[> Re: world peace -- cooler head, 14:48:15 03/30/03 Sun

France is NOT the bastion of diplomacy....they have monetary interest(as do Russia and Germany) in keeping Saddams' regime in power, for a new one will not honor the oil development contracts worth BILLIONS. They vowed to veto ANY new resolution which included a military response option. This even though they voted to pass resolution 1441 that called for SEVERE consequences for non-compliance. What did they think 'severe' meant? Velveeta cheese instead of brie? A condition of Saddam being allowed to remain in power after Gulf War I...12 years ago, was that he disclose, disarm and destroy WMD like those he used on his OWN people, within 45 days.

All who have defected since then have attested to the fact that he is playing a hide and cheat game with them, and still possesses the majority of this arsenal.

Therefore, he has broken the peace agreement that he signed...and he cannot remain in power.

We are enforcing the peace agreement that the UN did not have the stomach to do for itself.

You believe Saddam when he said he didn't have any WMD? He also told Dan Rather that he would never order Iraqi oil fields to be set on fire....as I type this there are about 7 of them burning, and many others found with explosives wired to them. Letting Saddam remain in power to allow the false sense of security through ineffective inspections is NOT peace.

No one WANTS war, and no one WANTS to see innocent Iraqis die. Do you think Saddam has such concern for those in his country? To avoid conflict, was he open and forthcoming about his weapons? Did he accept exile from any number of countries that extended it? No. Our military and the coalition forces are doing a fine job thus far of trying to keep that to a minimum. Unfortunately, sometimes it is the lesser of two evils. The US is not alone in this.

Britain and Australia have committed troops, and others are supporting in other ways, whether it be use of airspace or specialists sent in, in a consulting role.

The US is not a terrorist.
Does a terrorist ATTEMPT diplomatic measures beforehand?
Does a terrorist TELL you when and where they are coming?
Does a terrorist go OUT OF THEIR WAY to avoid innocent loss of life?
Does a terrorist ALLOW time to get out?
Do terrorists REBUILD after destroying? No.

Hopefully, this will be a fast war with limited casualties on BOTH sides. Then a new gov't that will respect and represent ALL the factions of Iraqi society will come to be.

And then folks like the protestors...and the French can rally around as if they were in support the whole time, and that they did more to achieve that end than they really did.

The protestors, many of them college students...doing the 'college protesting thing' are looking more and more like just a bunch of mindless sheep....repeating the chants of old and spewing the same lines that their PAID activist organizers, who will protest ANY cause that pays the rent, and who don't have classes anymore, tell them to. Funny that their 'peace' rallies turn violent! How DOES violence get their idea of NO WAR across, anyway? Maybe if they stayed in class, they would have learned more effective means of affecting change. I wonder how many of them make a regular habit of VOTING? And to the folks who take their CHILDREN to the rallies with them....WHERE IS YOUR HEAD?!? It is one thing to instill your beliefs in your child...but to KNOWINGLY put them in a potentially volitile situation is just absurd!

Do they really believe their child has a firm grasp of international affairs? What if, and it has happened in several places, violence breaks out, and the police must go into action? What if a terrorist would seize on this 'target of opportunity,' for they are just as much American scum as any other, and they've managed to put themselves in a tidy bunch? Heck, what if they ONLY got hauled off to jail? Hmmm...then they will be paying bail AND dealing with Childrens' Services. Who would they blame for their NEGLIGENCE? The police? Bush? I'm sure anyone but themselves.

But what intrigues me is, HOW will these people tell the Iraqi citizens, once they are liberated(and they WILL be liberated), that they had protested to PROLONG their torment under the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein? Which is basically all that would happen if more time for inspections were given...for Saddam made no moves to comply, until forces were amassing on his border.

Oh...and all the 'No War for Oil!' folks.....I hope they've been carpooling in an electric station wagon to get to their rallies, and in any other areas of life. I'm sure they would never increase US dependence on foreign oil....

Those who say you support the troops, but rally against the war or the President...do they THINK for one moment that the men and women fighting oversees see a distinction?? They see images of 'anti-the job they are doing' people yelling, and some who even take the time to smear' blood' on themselves. They say 'Bring them home and keep them safe!' They CHOSE this job, they KNOW the risks.

Do they even realize how incredibly stupid that sounds when they say that?? Why would a country bother having an armed force if they are 'too afraid it might get hurt'?? They expect an insane man(Saddam) to act rationally for the good of the world. That says VOLUMES about all of them. The war has started, their point was made on day one...now why can't they do something CONSTRUCTIVE?? Oh, that's right....that takes more effort than walking down the street day after day beating a dead horse and criticizing.

To those who say, "What have THEY done to US?" Let me just remind them that the United States is MORE than just the continental 50 states. It is anywhere we have an embassy, a military base, a ship, or a tourist.

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[> Re: The Bush Family's History of Nazi Affiliation -- LK, 07:19:29 03/29/02 Fri

WOW! The liars at the DNC disinformation office have really been working OVERTIME!

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[> [> Re: The Bush Family's History of Nazi Affiliation -- j, 19:51:18 01/09/03 Thu

dumby, the nazi bush family connection isnt a lie and is a well established fact just like the henry ford connection to hitler and the nazis.. u need to get educated

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[> [> [> Re: The Bush Family's History of Nazi Affiliation -- Red Skull, 17:52:47 10/23/03 Thu

there is maybe a connection between the pres and nazis but so what i support the guys "master plan" do you? And yes are soldiers helmets are also starting to be shaped as a german stromtruppe helmet and we have american flags everywhere like the nazis had swastikas every couple inches of their country but what are you worried about?! are you the enemy? are you iraqi? then go live with them.HEIL BUSH! Hopefully well globalize soon too world domination is a must! and hopefully we'll have microchips in every living thing too.NEW WORLD ORDER.

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[> [> Re: The Bush Family's History of Nazi Affiliation -- omega, 23:36:12 04/21/03 Mon

>WOW! The liars at the DNC disinformation office have
>really been working OVERTIME!

DNC has no concept of integrity,honor or self esteme remember they backed clinton for 8 years and 1 indictment for impeachment and their vote on removal from office 0.

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[> Re: The Bush Family's History of Nazi Affiliation -- Auriceye007, 03:02:12 09/14/03 Sun

This is right on the Money, I had heard some bits and pieces of this information a couple of years ago and at first didn't know what to make of it. I have since done alot of research into this and if you think this is politically motivated lies, do some digging into the matter. And if you go about it right you'll find more than you can read and digest on the matter. It is and he (Bush) is an extremely scary individual to have him sitting in the position which he occupies, (he was never elected). The really sad thing of all of this is, most Americans will not-no matter how much proof is presented believe any of this.
If one simply looks back over history specifically, Hitler's rise and the methods he used throughout his reign. You cannot help but see those methods and the steps taken then are those being used and taken now.

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[> Re: The Bush Family's History of Nazi Affiliation -- No Joke, 17:20:02 10/20/03 Mon

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[> Re: The Bush Family's History of Nazi Affiliation -- brekstar, 16:57:51 10/31/03 Fri

>Do you think that this is relevant to national
>discussion? Do disseminate this information to other
>interested parties. References are at the end of the
>post.
>
>In October 1942, ten months after entering World War
>II, America was
>preparing its first assault against Nazi military
>forces. Prescott
>Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman.
>His 18-year-old
>son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun
>training to
>become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S.
>government ordered
>the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New
>York City which
>were being conducted by Prescott Bush. Under the
>Trading with the
>Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking
>Corporation, in
>which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property
>Custodian seized
>Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were
>owned by
>Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three
>Nazi executives,
>and two other associates of Bush. (1)
>
>By Oct. 26, 1942, U.S. troops were under way for North
>Africa. On
>Oct. 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi
>front
>organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the
>Holland-American
>Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment
>Corporation. (2)
>
>U.S. forces landed under fire near Algiers on Nov. 8,
>1942; heavy
>combat raged throughout November. Nazi interests in
>the
>Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by
>Prescott Bush and his
>father-in-law George Herbert Walker, were seized under
>the Trading
>with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942. In this action,
>the government
>announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests,
>leaving the
>Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business. (3)
>
>Bush and Quayle's advisers in 1988 included several
>European fascist
>activists, including Nazi collaborator Laszlo Pasztor,
>who had served
>as junior envoy in Berlin for the Arrow Cross regime
>in his native
>Hungary; Florian Goldau, who had been recruiter for
>the Romanian Iron
>Guard; Bohdan Fedorak, who had headed a Ukranian
>pro-Nazi group
>involved in wartime pogroms; and Croatian-born
>agitator Jerome
>Brentar, a fixture on the Holocaust denial circuit. (4)
>
>Discussing what he would say to Israeli Jews upon
>arriving in the
>middle east in 1993, George W. joked: "[You're all]
>going to hell."
>(5)
>
>Tapes of the Bush Family's long-time spiritual
>adviser, Billy Graham,
>have revealed that Graham used to have vehemently
>anti-Semitic
>conversations with Nixon. For example, Graham blamed
>"satanic Jews"
>for the nation's problems. After agreeing with Nixon
>that left-wing
>Jews dominate the news-media, Graham stated that
>"They're the ones
>putting out the pornographic stuff," and the Jewish
>"stranglehold has
>got to be broken or the country's going down the
>drain." He also
>admitted that "a lot of the Jews are great friends of
>mine.... But
>they don't know how I really feel about what they are
>doing about
>this country." (6)
>
>Whether one is for or against it, the death penalty is
>a serious
>issue. When Karla Faye Tucker was asked, just before
>her execution,
>"What would you say to Governor Bush?" George W.
>showed the
>sensitivity of a Nazi when he mocked her: "Please...
>don't kill me!"
>(7)
>
>References:
>1. Office of Alien Property Custodian, Vesting Order
>No. 248. The
>order was signed by Leo T. Crowley, Alien Property
>Custodian,
>executed October 20, 1942; F.R. Doc. 42-11568; Filed,
>November 6,
>1942, 11:31 A.M.; 7 Fed. Reg. 9097 (Nov. 7, 1942). See
>also the New
>York City Directory of Directors (available at the
>Library of
>Congress). The volumes for the 1930s and 1940s list
>Prescott Bush as
>a director of Union Banking Corporation for the years
>1934 through
>1943.
>
>2. Alien Property Custodian Vesting Order No. 259:
>Seamless Steel
>Equipment Corporation; Vesting Order No. 261:
>Holland-American
>Trading Corp.
>
>3. Alien Property Custodian Vesting Order No. 370:
>Silesian-American Corp.
>
>4. Washington Jewish Week, September 8, 1988.
>
>5. Austin-American Statesman, December 1, 1998.
>
>6. David Firestone, "Billy Graham Responds to
>Lingering Anger Over
>1972 Remarks on Jews." New York Times, Sunday, March
>17, 2002.
>
>7. Talk, Sept 1999, Quoted in The Bush Dyslexicon:
>Observations on a
>national disorder, by MC Miller


response: it is some very interesting information, however, it is obviously outside the scope of normal people to address this in any fashion. People with money have always done what they want while people without it have always griped about whats being done. It will always be this way.

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[> Re: Israel: Stop the genocide. Stop killing innocent -- william wallace, 18:48:33 12/10/02 Tue

I have alot of jewish people who have been and still are my freinds.
BUT,WHATS GOING ON IN PALISTINE,with one trillion in usa aid ,is simular to what happened to the native american people.It seems if a human is non white.he will have a problem in the USA.I think all people should be color blind.BUt that wouldnt stop nazi corperate america.its to late.theyll mine the planet and try and take a space shuttle somewhere else.theyre the shit of the world.thieves,murderers[Toxic waste kills millions}and dont care about anyones sons or duaghters
william wallace

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[> Re: Rick Hudson, abandoned trucker -- Mike, 12:42:07 11/19/00 Sun

>I find this story hard to believe What kind of company did he work for? Or was It his own truck, even In the US I dont bthink this could happen like you say Rick Hudson has been in Macedonian prison now for just
> over a year. He was a trucker
> delivering supplies for NATO forces in the Balkans. He
> was accused, tried and convicted
> of causing death by dangerous driving after a speeding
> car lost control and crashed on
> the opposite carriageway sadly killing the driver and
> one passenger. Three others were
> injured. Rick, with other truckers and motorists, had
> stopped to help after the accident.
> Rick was arrested because he was sporting NATO badges
> on his truck!
> There is more to this, of course, and have every
> sympathy with the bereaved of the
> speeding driver and passenger but in court vital
> evidence was suppressed or ignored.
> Three Croatian tanker drivers were not called or their
> eye witness evidence not heard.
> A taccograph from several hours before during Rick's
> passage through Greece was used
> in evidence instead of the correct record.
> The engineers report that proved that the crashed
> vehicle has been travelling in excess
> of 100 mph, before it began its 65 meter skid and 35
> meter roll still hitting a vehicle
> behind Rick's at over 30 mph, was brushed aside.
> A plan of the accident shows Rick's truck in an
> inaccurate and impossible road position
> that would be laughable in other circumstances.
> No contact was made between Rick's vehicle and the
> crashed car.
> No blood test, a legal requirement, was made of the
> dead driver.
> The car was not tested for road worthiness.
> Rick had been signed into the country by a border
> guard bearing a type of insurance
> green card that had shortly before been invalidated by
> the Macedonian government.
>
> Much of this information did not become available
> until long after Rick's swift conviction
> and incarceration and despite appeals he remains in
> prison. NATO have abandoned him
> and politicians, however well intentioned, seem unable
> to help.
> In January this year Rick was moved to Skopje jail and
> reports appeared in the local
> press that he was a soldier working for KFOR
> responsible for the death of two
> Macedonians! For a while his life was in real danger
> from inmates and it was only the
> protective friendship he struck with four Indian
> prisoners, his obvious genteel and open
> nature and his faith that prevented him from ending up
> with a knife in his back. (They
> have their own cutlery!)
> Rick is such a gentleman that his name was actually
> top of a list produced by the prison
> governor recommended to the president of Macedonia
> for early release in an amnesty
> granted each August in that country. His name was
> deleted last week by committee
> before it reached the president.
> Shortly before that a claim by relatives of the
> deceased and injured, thwart again with
> inaccuracies, was upheld in a civil court. Presumably
> that was why Rick's name was
> withdrawn from the release list. Which is a shame
> because he has no chance of ever
> paying the �111,600.00 demanded as he apparently
> should never, like hundreds, perhaps
> thousands of other truckers, been allowed through the
> country with that invalid
> insurance card. His company cannot pay, NATO do not
> want to know and he has lost
> everything, including his home, in legal costs.
> His parents, sister and friends have worked hard to
> bring this despicable travesty of
> justice to the attention of those with power. Progress
> is being made but too slowly,
> especially in the light of recent developments in the
> area that could once again place
> Rick in danger. Not that he is living in the lap of
> luxury with 691 fleas to share his
> blanket, his 10 meter square cell and the food that is
> brought in for him.
> A fund raising event has been organised for the 25th
> August at "The Spot" in his home
> town of Derby, England. Two great bands, Burdock and
> DIP, are performing free of
> charge, substantial raffle prizes have been donated,
> notables such as Philip Whitehead,
> MEP, will give up their time to attend and update us.
> We expect but still pray for media
> coverage. Support is growing but more is needed.
> The trouble is that it is not sympathy that is
> required. Or people to assume that as a
> trucker he must be guilt of smuggling illegal
> immigrants or drugs. Rick needs people to
> know what really happened to him, tell others, write
> him a letter, send him food, books
> or insect repellent, come to the event in Derby, write
> to their MP, write to their
> newspaper, make a donation, and ask NATO, the European
> Courts of Justice, Human
> Rights organisations, the British FO and the
> Macedonian government why this innocent
> man has had his life ruined.
> If you can just do one of these things you will have
> helped. If you do them all, and more
> you will begin to get a bruise on your forehead off
> that wall. If many do it perhaps the
> wall will crack. Justice may prevail and we will get
> Rick back.
> Please help.
> Rick's address....
> Richard Owen Hudson G.B.
> K P D
> Idrizavo
> Skopje
> Republic of Macedonia
>
> The appeal fund....
> Mr. and Mrs G Hudson
> 52, Hillside,
> Findern,
> Derby DE65 6AW
> or
> Barclays Bank Derby
> Sort Code 202585
> Account No. 90279196
>
> Homepage, out of date, no time, perhaps you can help
> here...?
> <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://:www.geocities.com/carpetsquare/">http://:www.geocities.com/carpetsquare/</a>
>
> Or call me for more information, or ways to assist,
> on..
> +44(0)1332 384150 daytime
> 07774 619678 Mobile
> Russ@carpetsquare.demon.co.uk

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[> Re: Rick Hudson, abandoned trucker -- Russ Hamer, 17:30:52 11/22/00 Wed

Still in there and suffering. We need people, urgently, to write to the prsident of Macedonia. If done very soon there is a chance that Rick may be given a New Years amnesty! Can you help? It costs less than a quid to ask why this innocent man should still be in prison.
Write to....
His Excellency Mr. Boris Trajkovski
11, October Street
Skopje
Republic of Macedonia.
Or e mail me for his fax no.
Please be polite. Thanks.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://:www.geocities.com/carpetsquare/">http://:www.geocities.com/carpetsquare/</a>
>
> Or call me for more information, or ways to assist,
> on..
> +44(0)1332 384150 daytime
> 07774 619678 Mobile
> Russ@carpetsquare.demon.co.uk

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[> Re: Rick Hudson, abandoned trucker -- Lynette, 21:52:51 02/19/01 Mon

>Rick Hudson has been in Macedonian prison now for just
>over a year. He was a trucker
>delivering supplies for NATO forces in the Balkans. He
>was accused, tried and convicted
>of causing death by dangerous driving after a speeding
>car lost control and crashed on
>the opposite carriageway sadly killing the driver and
>one passenger. Three others were
>injured. Rick, with other truckers and motorists, had
>stopped to help after the accident.
>Rick was arrested because he was sporting NATO badges
>on his truck!
>There is more to this, of course, and have every
>sympathy with the bereaved of the
>speeding driver and passenger but in court vital
>evidence was suppressed or ignored.
>Three Croatian tanker drivers were not called or their
>eye witness evidence not heard.
>A taccograph from several hours before during Rick's
>passage through Greece was used
>in evidence instead of the correct record.
>The engineers report that proved that the crashed
>vehicle has been travelling in excess
>of 100 mph, before it began its 65 meter skid and 35
>meter roll still hitting a vehicle
>behind Rick's at over 30 mph, was brushed aside.
>A plan of the accident shows Rick's truck in an
>inaccurate and impossible road position
>that would be laughable in other circumstances.
>No contact was made between Rick's vehicle and the
>crashed car.
>No blood test, a legal requirement, was made of the
>dead driver.
>The car was not tested for road worthiness.
>Rick had been signed into the country by a border
>guard bearing a type of insurance
>green card that had shortly before been invalidated by
>the Macedonian government.
>
>Much of this information did not become available
>until long after Rick's swift conviction
>and incarceration and despite appeals he remains in
>prison. NATO have abandoned him
>and politicians, however well intentioned, seem unable
>to help.
>In January this year Rick was moved to Skopje jail and
>reports appeared in the local
>press that he was a soldier working for KFOR
>responsible for the death of two
>Macedonians! For a while his life was in real danger
>from inmates and it was only the
>protective friendship he struck with four Indian
>prisoners, his obvious genteel and open
>nature and his faith that prevented him from ending up
>with a knife in his back. (They
>have their own cutlery!)
>Rick is such a gentleman that his name was actually
>top of a list produced by the prison
>governor recommended to the president of Macedonia
>for early release in an amnesty
>granted each August in that country. His name was
>deleted last week by committee
>before it reached the president.
>Shortly before that a claim by relatives of the
>deceased and injured, thwart again with
>inaccuracies, was upheld in a civil court. Presumably
>that was why Rick's name was
>withdrawn from the release list. Which is a shame
>because he has no chance of ever
>paying the �111,600.00 demanded as he apparently
>should never, like hundreds, perhaps
>thousands of other truckers, been allowed through the
>country with that invalid
>insurance card. His company cannot pay, NATO do not
>want to know and he has lost
>everything, including his home, in legal costs.
>His parents, sister and friends have worked hard to
>bring this despicable travesty of
>justice to the attention of those with power. Progress
>is being made but too slowly,
>especially in the light of recent developments in the
>area that could once again place
>Rick in danger. Not that he is living in the lap of
>luxury with 691 fleas to share his
>blanket, his 10 meter square cell and the food that is
>brought in for him.
>A fund raising event has been organised for the 25th
>August at "The Spot" in his home
>town of Derby, England. Two great bands, Burdock and
>DIP, are performing free of
>charge, substantial raffle prizes have been donated,
>notables such as Philip Whitehead,
>MEP, will give up their time to attend and update us.
>We expect but still pray for media
>coverage. Support is growing but more is needed.
>The trouble is that it is not sympathy that is
>required. Or people to assume that as a
>trucker he must be guilt of smuggling illegal
>immigrants or drugs. Rick needs people to
>know what really happened to him, tell others, write
>him a letter, send him food, books
>or insect repellent, come to the event in Derby, write
>to their MP, write to their
>newspaper, make a donation, and ask NATO, the European
>Courts of Justice, Human
>Rights organisations, the British FO and the
>Macedonian government why this innocent
>man has had his life ruined.
>If you can just do one of these things you will have
>helped. If you do them all, and more
>you will begin to get a bruise on your forehead off
>that wall. If many do it perhaps the
>wall will crack. Justice may prevail and we will get
>Rick back.
>Please help.
>Rick's address....
>Richard Owen Hudson G.B.
>K P D
>Idrizavo
>Skopje
>Republic of Macedonia
>
>The appeal fund....
>Mr. and Mrs G Hudson
>52, Hillside,
>Findern,
>Derby DE65 6AW
>or
>Barclays Bank Derby
>Sort Code 202585
>Account No. 90279196
>
>Homepage, out of date, no time, perhaps you can help
>here...?
><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://:www.geocities.com/carpetsquare/">http://:www.geocities.com/carpetsquare/</a>
>
>Or call me for more information, or ways to assist,
>on..
>+44(0)1332 384150 daytime
>07774 619678 Mobile
>Russ@carpetsquare.demon.co.uk
I am an American who is appalled at this but it doesn't surprise me. We have had citizens screwed in foreign countries. I wish you and that poor man all the luck in the world. It's our governments that sit on their asses.

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