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Subject: Horse Info


Author:
Mandi
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Date Posted: 14:11:00 12/30/01 Sun
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The picture that you have of the horse named Saoud is different from the ones that I have of him. The pictures that I have show his as a bay with a star, strip, and snip on his nose and a sock on his right rear leg. He is a desert bred stallion, imported in 1928 by Ameen Rihani. He was foaled in 1922 and bred by the Royal Stables of H. M. King Ibn Saoud. He was a gift from H. M. King Ibn Saoud to Ameen Rihani. He had sired seven foals.
They are:
Rihani, bay mare, born July 6, 1933 out of Muha
Arsa, grey amre, born June 23,1934 out of Arjemone
Reuel, bay stallion, born April 21, 1934 out of Domow
Nashon, bay stallion, born May 27, 1934 out of Nardina
Rasasah, bay mare, born May 19, 1935, out of Aatika
Himmah, bay gelding, born May 16, 1935 out of Chrallah
and
Shantah, grey mare, born August 28, 1936 out of Sherah
Saoud died in 1939. He was sold from Ameen Rihani to F. C. Bersworth of Hopkinton, Mass. on March 27, 1931. From Bersworth to John A. George, Indianapolis, Ind. on August 2, 1932. From John A. George to E. Arthur Ball of Munice, Indiana on April 9,1933. From Mr. Ball to Donald W Schultz, of North Manchester, Indiana, on April 25, 1936.
*Rasmina (Shareer x Jalila) was a 14.2 hand chestnut mare improted by Selby. Rasmina produced 11 foals and was owned at the end of her breeding career by Alice Payne.
*Mirzam (Rafeef x Marhaba) was imported by Roger A. Selby in 1928. He was shown in the Nashville National Show (an all breed show) and won the three gaited class. He sired 9 foals.
*Kareyma (Naseem x Julnar) was also imported by Selby in 1928. She was of the Kehilan Jallabi strain. She was 13.3 hands and trained in five gaits. She won blue ribbons at halter and under saddle at the 1930 Ohio State Fair. She produced 7 purebred foals and an 8th by a saddlebred stallion named Kingfish.
*Indaia (Raseem x Nisreen) was imported by Selby in 1928. She stood about 14.3 hands. She had 17 foals, two of which died before being registered.
Rifala (Skowronek x Rissla) was also in this importation. She stood about 13.2 hands. She was named a gold medal winner at the Royal show in England in 1922. She produced 5 foals. She produced a half-arab foal in 1932 by a Saddlebred named Four Acres Erskine Bourbon King. The foal was named Rifbo.
*Raselma (Raseem x Selmnab) was imported by Selby in 1930. She has no registered foals.
*Jerama (Jeruan x *Kiyama) was also in this importation. She had five foals but none of them for Selby.
*Namilla (Nureddin II x Nejmia) was also imported by Selby in 1930. She produced 6 foals.
*Kiyama (Rafeef x Julnar) was in the same importation. She was a chestnut mare who stood 14.3 hands. She produced 5 foals.
*Hilwe (Najib x Hafra) was a bay mare also of the same importation. She stood about 14.2 hands. She produced 7 foals.
*Selmnab (Nawab x Simrieh) was imported at the same time. She stood 14 hands and was the only daughter by her sire. She produced 10 foals in America. She is the dam of Bazy Tankersley's first really successful show horse Selimage.
*Rose of France (Rawan x Jalila) was also in this importation. She produced 8 registered foals. One of which was Bazy Tankersley's foundation mare, Selfra (by Selmian).
The one stallion in the 1930 Sebly importation was *Mirage. It is thought that his birth year is 1919. He won the championship at the Richmond show in England in 1926. He had 27 registered purebred offspring. He died in 1939 at the age of 20.
The 1932 importation by Selby consisted of:
*Menzil (Nureddin II x Marhaba), who sired no purebred registered foals
*Rahal (Nureddin II x Rim) was 15.3 hands and sired 12 progeny.
*Selmian (Naseem x Selima) had 13 registered progeny and died at the age of 26 in 1955.
*Rishafieh (Jeruan x Rishafa) produced 12 foals.
*Raffles (Skowronek x Rifala) was in this importation. Of *Raffles' 121 registered purebred offspring 45 produced national winners, and two won national titles. 1958 U. S. Top Ten Stallion Mraff and 1960 U. S. Reserve National Champion Mare Rose of Raswan..
In 1932 Nureddin II was imported at the age of 22. He sired 4 foals for Selby before he died.
*Rimini (Skowronek x Rim) was imported in 1933 by Selby too. She produced 3 foals in America for General Dickinson.
Afara (Raffles x Rafarah) produced 6 foals.
They are:
Celeste, grey mare, born in 1951 by Raffles. She produced 9 foals
Asil Harb, grey stallion, born in 1961, by Rafferty. He produced 19 foals.
Destynee, chesnut mare, born in 1957, by Rasraff. He sired 10 foals.
Trity, grey mare, born 1955, by Hamdan. She porduced 13 foals.
Asil Altair, chesnut stallion, born 1959, by Rafferty. Sired 59 foals.
Asil Lyra, grey mare, born May 1, 1958, by Rafferty. Produced 10 foals.
Mandi

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[> Subject: Re: Saoud


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Julia
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Date Posted: 19:12:05 12/30/01 Sun
Author Host/IP: 216.89.235.252

Hi Mandi,
There are actually 7 different horses named Saoud. The one you are talking about is correct, and you have done your homework well.
The one on my website was in England. He is in the AHSB Stud Book #3, Page 70. Those are really neat little books that I got off eBay to add to my library of reference materials. He is by Nimr, out of Safarjal. The horse you mention is listed as Desert Bred in the AHRA information. I have that Stud Book too :) Both stallions were bay. This is how things get so confusing, because often more than 1 horse existed back then with the same name.
Another good example is El Hilal. The one we know was foaled in 1966, and the other was a 1970 horse... 1 was gray, the other bay. Correction... there have been 5 El Hilals...all in different stud books.
Be careful in getting all your information online, without having books and magazines to back up what you see. It is difficult to find them using the books at times, and much more confusing online.
Thank you for all this good information :) You are making me check and recheck myself and that is a good thing!
Julia


>The picture that you have of the horse named Saoud is
>different from the ones that I have of him. The
>pictures that I have show his as a bay with a star,
>strip, and snip on his nose and a sock on his right
>rear leg. He is a desert bred stallion, imported in
>1928 by Ameen Rihani. He was foaled in 1922 and bred
>by the Royal Stables of H. M. King Ibn Saoud. He was a
>gift from H. M. King Ibn Saoud to Ameen Rihani. He had
>sired seven foals.

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Mandi
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Date Posted: 14:40:47 12/31/01 Mon
Author Host/IP: 63.15.99.23

Julia,

The reason that I mentioned the picture of Saoud is that on Rasasah's pedigree if you click on Saoud it takes you to the pedigree and picture of the other Saoud when she actually by the desert bred Saoud.
I have a rather extensive magazine collection and the Arabian Horse CD from the Registry. That has been where I have gotten the majority of the information that I have. If there are errors then it is either from me when I typed it in, or the error was originally in the article that I got my information from. So sorry if the information is off in the stuff I send you.
Mandi

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Author:
Julia
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Date Posted: 15:16:37 12/31/01 Mon
Author Host/IP: 216.89.235.97

Hi Mandi!!
Thanks... I did not go that far :) Let me check it out and I will change it if necessary!
I think your information is good...and I am glad you are working from more than online stuff.... its awfully easy to have errors and I am glad you are giving me all this information :)
Julia


>Julia,
>
>The reason that I mentioned the picture of Saoud is
>that on Rasasah's pedigree if you click on Saoud it
>takes you to the pedigree and picture of the other
>Saoud when she actually by the desert bred Saoud.
>I have a rather extensive magazine collection and the
>Arabian Horse CD from the Registry. That has been
>where I have gotten the majority of the information
>that I have. If there are errors then it is either
>from me when I typed it in, or the error was
>originally in the article that I got my information
>from. So sorry if the information is off in the stuff
>I send you.
>Mandi

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Author:
Julia
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Date Posted: 15:19:52 12/31/01 Mon
Author Host/IP: 216.89.235.97

Hi!!
You are correct... I have the wrong Saoud showing as her sire. I am getting ready to do a sizeable upload, and will correct it asap!! :)
Thanks!!
Julia



>Hi Mandi!!
>Thanks... I did not go that far :) Let me check it
>out and I will change it if necessary!
>I think your information is good...and I am glad you
>are working from more than online stuff.... its
>awfully easy to have errors and I am glad you are
>giving me all this information :)
>Julia
>
>
>>Julia,
>>
>>The reason that I mentioned the picture of Saoud is
>>that on Rasasah's pedigree if you click on Saoud it
>>takes you to the pedigree and picture of the other
>>Saoud when she actually by the desert bred Saoud.
>>I have a rather extensive magazine collection and the
>>Arabian Horse CD from the Registry. That has been
>>where I have gotten the majority of the information
>>that I have. If there are errors then it is either
>>from me when I typed it in, or the error was
>>originally in the article that I got my information
>>from. So sorry if the information is off in the stuff
>>I send you.
>>Mandi

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