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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:42:18 02/19/04 Thu
My daugher received a letter for this pageant also. She has been accepted. However, I can not find anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I researched and found that to not be true. The pageant claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one server out there that can pull it up. This seems to be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your take?
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:01 02/25/04 Wed
Definitely not a money pit. My daughter is the current Miss Pre-Teen America. She was crowned in December in Orlando, Florida at the National Pageant. We did not spend any of our own money, but obtained corporate sponsors. Her prizes included a new car, and a cruise. It is a great confidence builder for young girls at the local and national levels. The judges were all well known entertainers/or industry people. The pageant is based as much on inner beauty as poise and confidence. It was a very positive experience.
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Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:20:27 10/02/06 Mon
Hi there, my daughter Serenity (97) won second runner up yesterday (10-01-06) in the local Miss Green Bay pageant and can now go to the Nationals in Florida (Sponsor indorsed). This was her first pageant ever and it really seems to have helped build her self confidence. Would it be possible for your daughter (winner of the nationals) to contact (via e-mail) my daughter to ask her a few questions? It would be very much appreciated.
Thank you, Kimberly
kknight@mcw.edu
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:44:12 03/07/07 Wed
hi my name is melissa matias and im 1st runner up for the nationals i wish every one good luck and i will pray for every one. :)
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 17:01:45 03/18/07 Sun
>hi my name is melissa matias and im 1st runner up for
>the nationals i wish every one good luck and i will
>pray for every one. :)
this pagent is a scam and i cant believe i felt for it it says it free but its not its acuaully $497 just to enter than $198 just for pics so im tellimg u not to join also because when u get to florida they tell u its a $1000 more dollars....
love always,catherine sharlene hislop
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:00:57 12/21/08 Sun
This is a total scam!! BEWARE the owner of nationals inc is a registered sex offender. That is why it is not listed as a beauty pagent. He has it listed as a consulting service. He was busted for kiddie porn! Everything they told us was a lie. My daughter won for miss pre-teen and we never got to Orlando. They told us everything was paid for and go pick up our tickets. We went to pick them up all packed and ready to go and there were no tickets. We tried calling them and their number had been disconnected. We also ordered Several hundred dollars worth of pictures and never recieved any. "NOT ONE PICTURE". About two months later they sent me a letter asking if my daughter would like to compete in a pageant in another town but this time they weanted $1297.00! I have contacted the local and federal authorities they said they have been after these guy's for quite some time now. They said he was using kid's that had won pictures to make fake porn with their faces!! He is a sick sick man!!!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:22 01/05/09 Mon
It is a pure SCAM! I was able to call them and reached them at 800-454-3420. The problem is they do not give prizes they promised and saying now that we did not read papers correctly and prize of $20,000.00 is a prize paid to all girls across the states and to the winner that would only include a crown, trophy, banner and trip to Orlando (which I have not received any info about). It is just a scam.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:15:32 04/30/09 Thu
>It is a pure SCAM! I was able to call them and reached
>them at 800-454-3420. The problem is they do not give
>prizes they promised and saying now that we did not
>read papers correctly and prize of $20,000.00 is a
>prize paid to all girls across the states and to the
>winner that would only include a crown, trophy, banner
>and trip to Orlando (which I have not received any
>info about). It is just a scam.
I agree with you.I WAS ONE OF THE RUNNER UP FOR THE MISS MILWAUKEE PAGENT AND WHAT THEY WROTE IN THE LETTER IS DIFFERENT, WHEN U WIN.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:18:45 10/02/13 Wed
Any pageant that charges $495 without providing services beyond "training" is a money pit. Photogenic optional fees are never $125. The scoring system is bogus. No matter how well you perform in the first two categories, your title hinges on the final questions with all scores being rolled back to zero. This pageant offers no platform, no charitable affiliation, no sponsors, no arranged appearances for the winners and says absolutely nothing about returning the following year to crown a successor. And no pageant on earth is going to expect preliminary winners to compete in a national pageant with only SIX WEEKS to prepare during the school year. Do you really expect kids to miss a week of school to compete? Right before the holidays? I think the directors are merely trying to insure their own Merry Christmas. Shameful and Ridiculous!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 11:07:59 10/15/04 Fri
>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>take?
my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA. IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN. WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE $500.00 PER CONTESTANT.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:38:30 10/18/04 Mon
This pageant system is on the up and up. About 3 years ago my grandughter competed in it in the Pittsburgh area and won overall Photogenic. She went to the Nationals in Orlando, Florida in December of that year and all of her expenses were paid. It was a well run pageant as far as I can determine. Of course she didn't place at the nationals, but that was not the problem of the directors or the pageant. We have been to "well documented and representated pageant systems" and found them not to be as credible as this one was. Hats off to COA!!!!!!!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:21:26 02/16/07 Fri
>Not only is this a scam but when we did get to the hotel last year in orland we had to pay for everything. The $60,000 grand prize does not exist., I am the mother of the winner when we went to collect our check it was for $600.00 which did not even cover costs
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 22:55:48 11/22/04 Mon
>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>>take?
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>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.
So get out of pageants. that's an easy way to avoid being taken.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:09:07 07/02/07 Mon
>>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>>researched and found that to not be true. The
>pageant
>>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the
>one
>>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is
>your
>>>take?
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>>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.
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>So get out of pageants. that's an easy way to avoid
>being taken.
>>Hi. My name is joanna,, i entered 2 of my daughter to this pagent and payed over 2000.00 on cost alone on there pagent...with out cost of clothes and travel and everything els that they charged..I totaly agree with you. They charged me 149.00 for pictures when i receive them they were in a cd, what the hell i was expecting pictures not no cds. They also told me since i had was getting the pics for both my girls i would only pay 1/2 prise on the pics. until this day i still have not received any discount..not only have i not received the discount,,but i also received the cds damaged,,one scratched and the other cracked. so until today 7/2/07 i still have not been able to see the pics. They should be ashamed of them selfs... I have been calling them to complain. on the cds that i received, noone is ever available. i have left message after message and they have not returned my call. They also explained to all the girls and family at the interduction that only halfof the girl would complete and qualify to compete in the pagent on the day of the pagent every girl that was at the interduction was also at the competition. I think they are a very big scam. I also reveiced a letter saying that my girls also quafy to go to Florida but i would have to pay another $2,000.00 for travel expenses. I strongly believve that they are a total scam and we should be refunded for all the money that we spent..the only good thing about it was my girls got experience. they promised alot of thing...about making friends and new people..which is not true..I think people should know what this compnay does and they should be reported. they are wrong and they are a scam..
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:05:32 07/25/07 Wed
First of all Joanna, I have to say I am apalled at your misspelled words and lack of any decorum. I mean if you are going to try to get your point accross, use the big words ONLY if you can ACTUALLY SPELL THEM! My daughter was in the Buffalo Pageant and it was an absolute wonderful learning experience. She did not place but that definately did not discourage her, she is already talking about the next pageant. How can you get away with calling this company a scam???? They deliver exactly what they promise , and if your daughters did not meet new people and make new friends did you happen to stop and think that maybe you might have something to do with it???? Look at your attitude! Did you ever stop and read the information booklet they hand out to you at the information session. Everything is practically spelled out to you in it, and nothing including the price is hidden. I also purchased the photo cd for my daughter ( and it says PHOTO CD on the order form!) and I already viewed the pics at the pageant so I know what I am getting. Did you ever stop and think that scratched and cracked CDs might have something to do with the Postal Service??? Oh right I forgot you are perfect, just look at your message. Just a word of advice, if you would actually spend as much time with your children teaching them social skills as you do complaining and bashing this company, maybe your children would of had a better experience than what you said they did. Oh and its good to know you will not have your daughters attend the Orlando Pageant because your poor disposition will ruin anyone else's chance to have an enjoyable experience.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:57:56 06/29/10 Tue
Do you work for them?
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 19:58:10 09/09/05 Fri
I really dont know if it is a money pit or not but i got a letter I have just turned 13 and I checked it out im really not that kinda gurl but yes i still got on the computer to check everything out I wasnt gonna ask to go entill i knew what it was well i got on the web site (and it sounds like I was on of the few)and looked at the pagents and most of it was annoying little pop-ups then I clicked on photos, there is were I went wrong...THE F**KIN FIRST THING THAT LOADED COMPLETELY WAS WANNA GET LAID TONITE AND SEX PICS AND ALL THAT
SHIT! I Seriosly dont recremend gettin into this you'll never
now where you're child will end up next, i mean im 13 THIRTEEN
its disgustin that their all ready sending me this kind of mail, im sry about my letter Patty U FUCKIN BICH! YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME FUCKIN SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:51:16 10/04/05 Tue
i don't know what this is either. I got the same letter today. I don't know if it's a scam or not. I'm not that girl who would do this but I may want to do this. Hpefully it's not a scam. I have to check it out with my parents. I don't know we'll see.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 11:31:22 04/28/07 Sat
>I really dont know if it is a money pit or not but i
>got a letter I have just turned 13 and I checked it
>out im really not that kinda gurl but yes i still got
>on the computer to check everything out I wasnt gonna
>ask to go entill i knew what it was well i got on the
>web site (and it sounds like I was on of the few)and
>looked at the pagents and most of it was annoying
>little pop-ups then I clicked on photos, there is were
>I went wrong...THE F**KIN FIRST THING THAT LOADED
>COMPLETELY WAS WANNA GET LAID TONITE AND SEX PICS AND
>ALL THAT
> SHIT! I Seriosly dont recremend gettin into this
>you'll never
>now where you're child will end up next, i mean im 13
>THIRTEEN
> its disgustin that their all ready sending me this
>kind of mail, im sry about my letter Patty U FUCKIN
>BICH! YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME FUCKIN
>SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS F**KIN TRUE
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 22:01:39 01/06/07 Sat
my daughter Marisa won first runner up Miss Photogenic, in her age group 2 years ago at the Nationals, and she won a trip to Florida to compete in Cities of America, where she made new friends, won trophies and had the time of her life. have ant questions, email me, lostndnswife@yahoo.com.. her mom Rachelle
>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>>take?
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>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:39:00 09/19/05 Mon
>My daughter also received a letter like that and I contacted the Mrs. America pageant representative and was told that in the 29 years of the pageant, they have never had a Patty Neidert hold the Mrs. America title. I also checked with the BBB in PA and they have had 6 complaints against Nationals Inc. in the last 36 months all whicha have been resolved. My daughter is 18 and I gave her all the information that I had and she has decided not to pursue the pageant. Please be aware and research all you can. I found the Nationals Incorporated web site but it did not offer much information.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:02:50 10/21/05 Fri
its patty neidert. i did the pageant this year.. it was super fun! one of my good friends i made there won. she is super cool.. LOVE YA ALI! love ya..! allana!
good luck in florida
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 05:17:08 04/28/07 Sat
My daughter was accepted also. The web site is www.manchesterpageant.com I also have tried to look up Patty Neidert, and Mrs. America and she has NEVER been on the list of winners!!! I am suspicious as well even though we have begun securing sponsors.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:22:20 09/27/09 Sun
My daughter received the same letter. I tried to pull up the website as well, and all it shows are pictures and metions very little about anything. No cost is mentioned and there are no links to follow to find out anything. If they are legit, you would think they would have a more professional website that would give the information needed. It just seems like a money-making scam to me by not being able to find out enough information.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 07:58:17 06/22/04 Tue
>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>choice, any help would be appreciated!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:02:08 07/12/04 Mon
>>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>>My daughters received a letter to go to an
>information
>>>session and that it costs nothing for the
>contestants.
>>>We went, they were interviewed and then told ***
>about
>>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to
>do
>>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>>choice, any help would be appreciated!
I am the current Miss Jr. Teen New York City, I obtained my title in Novemeber of 2003. I did NOT spent any of my own money, and received a full expense pain trip to Orlando in December 2004 to compete for the National title. I encourage you to enter this pageant. It was a great experiance for me, and a memorable night....long but memorable.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 16:30:05 08/16/05 Tue
>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>choice, any help would be appreciated!
hello I'm one who is interested in this pagent and was wondering if anyone knew anythinga abot it please email me at bison_babe_326@yahoo.com
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:34:57 03/30/09 Mon
For everybody's Information their website is Nationalsincorporated.com you dumb bells all you hav to do is search it or Google Cities of America Pageant.Another thing this is not a scam cuz I won 1st runner up in the city division and now Iget to go to Orlando cuz your not suppose to pay for nothing you are suppose to get sponsors.Only thing u pay for is clothes.Also When you get there there is money when you win.Dont be callin it a scam cuz youre daughter didnt win.Cuz I bet Most of you didnt even read the papers good.Cuz 'coures they want some moneydo u really think it is free especially in this economy.Another thing Iwant you guys to think before you go talkin bout people when you dont know the real stuff.If u want to know more about pageant My email is arrow.carlissa@yahoo.com Since i was actually was in the pageant
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:20:43 10/02/13 Wed
Please do your research before competing in this pageant system. Google the name "Patty Neider" under pageant scams before giving them a penny. Patty is "your director." There are many reputable pageants out there, but this does not appear to be one of them. And, unless you can attend the Nationals in Orlando the week of December 12-16, 2013, and pay for an adult to accompany you (at least $1,000 for the week plus airfare) don't bother. The adult will be expected to accompany the winner on all trips to Disney World, Sea World or wherever at their own expense. Besides, most kids have SCHOOL and all national pageants are run in the year of reign - 2014 - not 2013. Other red flags include their scoring system. The first two areas of competition determine the Top Ten. Then ALL SCORES ARE ROLLED BACK TO ZERO and the winner is determined by a SINGLE QUESTION. So, no matter how well you do overall, it will NOT determine the winner. To me, this leaves a lot of room for winner manipulation. The expensive entry fee of $495 includes nothing besides "training" and the optional photogenic fee of $125 is ridiculous. Don't be mislead by the offer of free photos - only the "sitting" is free. You need to pay big bucks to get the photos. Besides, this isn't even a state title, just a city title. Check around. Nearly all entry fees include an opening number dress, reception, gift bag, and so on. Check out other pageant listings for Minnesota and you'll see that the reputable ones have their own sponsors. These sponsors award prizes to the contestants and winners, such as coaching packages, discounts on pageant wear, discounts on photography, hair and makeup services, scholarships, personal training packages, and so on. This pageant has absolutely no sponsors whatsoever (maybe they don't want their names associated with it). Another red flag is that this pageant is not associated with any charities or platforms. This is highly unusual. And, there are no appearances arranged for the winners after the pageant. The winners are "on their own." Again, finally, there is nothing stated about returning for the 2015 pageant to crown a successor. Usually, these expenses are always included in the winners' prize packages. Who's to say they'll be back? Reputable pageants return year after year. I encourage you to do your own research and decide before you shell out a ton of money, especially when the entire pageant hinges on one question. What if there are only 8 contestants? Everyone makes the Top Ten and you might as well show up in your pajamas, answer the question and move on. For all you know, the winner has been predetermined and you are just helping to pay for their vacation. Please be careful and do your research. Then you can make an informed decision with all of the facts before you end up losing a lot of money and shattering your daughter's dreams. This pageant is very sketchy. Consider yourself warned.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:20:59 10/02/13 Wed
>Please do your research before competing in this
>pageant system. Google the name "Patty Neider" under
>pageant scams before giving them a penny. Patty is
>"your director." There are many reputable pageants
>out there, but this does not appear to be one of them.
> And, unless you can attend the Nationals in Orlando
>the week of December 12-16, 2013, and pay for an adult
>to accompany you (at least $1,000 for the week plus
>airfare) don't bother. The adult will be expected to
>accompany the winner on all trips to Disney World, Sea
>World or wherever at their own expense. Besides, most
>kids have SCHOOL and all national pageants are run in
>the year of reign - 2014 - not 2013. Other red
>flags include their scoring system. The first two
>areas of competition determine the Top Ten. Then ALL
>SCORES ARE ROLLED BACK TO ZERO and the winner is
>determined by a SINGLE QUESTION. So, no matter how
>well you do overall, it will NOT determine the winner.
> To me, this leaves a lot of room for winner
>manipulation. The expensive entry fee of $495
>includes nothing besides "training" and the optional
>photogenic fee of $125 is ridiculous. Don't be
>mislead by the offer of free photos - only the
>"sitting" is free. You need to pay big bucks to get
>the photos. Besides, this isn't even a state title,
>just a city title. Check around. Nearly all entry
>fees include an opening number dress, reception, gift
>bag, and so on. Check out other pageant listings for
>Minnesota and you'll see that the reputable ones have
>their own sponsors. These sponsors award prizes to
>the contestants and winners, such as coaching
>packages, discounts on pageant wear, discounts on
>photography, hair and makeup services, scholarships,
>personal training packages, and so on. This pageant
>has absolutely no sponsors whatsoever (maybe they
>don't want their names associated with it). Another
>red flag is that this pageant is not associated with
>any charities or platforms. This is highly unusual.
>And, there are no appearances arranged for the winners
>after the pageant. The winners are "on their own."
>Again, finally, there is nothing stated about
>returning for the 2015 pageant to crown a successor.
>Usually, these expenses are always included in the
>winners' prize packages. Who's to say they'll be
>back? Reputable pageants return year after year. I
>encourage you to do your own research and decide
>before you shell out a ton of money, especially when
>the entire pageant hinges on one question. What if
>there are only 8 contestants? Everyone makes the Top
>Ten and you might as well show up in your pajamas,
>answer the question and move on. For all you know,
>the winner has been predetermined and you are just
>helping to pay for their vacation. Please be careful
>and do your research. Then you can make an informed
>decision with all of the facts before you end up
>losing a lot of money and shattering your daughter's
>dreams. This pageant is very sketchy. Consider
>yourself warned.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:58:03 08/04/04 Wed
ANYONE WHO DID NOT SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY ON THIS IS QUITE RARE! YES , THIS IS A MONEY PIT. MY DAUGHTER WAS IN THIS PAGEANT SYSTEM BACK IN 2002 , AND HER FRIEND WAS IN IT IN 2001. THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT IT WAS THE DIRECTOR AND EMCEE FROM 2001!! WE PUT ALL OF OUR MONEY INTO THIS IN 2002 AND WAS QUITE A RIP-OFF. THE OFFICE PERSONAL WERE MORONS, AND I HEARD THE OWNER COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE CONTESTANTS! QUITE A FEW PEOPLE I KNEW DID SOME DIGGING ABOUT THE OWNER , AND WE WILL BE POSTING THIS INFO SOON , AND IT IS NOT GOOD!!!!!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 01:17:07 12/10/04 Fri
If you were sent a letter in the mail for a sit down session on how to raise money for them! Then that should tell you something. Stay away from pageant systems like this because your making them money. I would never raise $500 for no system no matter how big the crown was. I'd stay away so be smart!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:18:18 05/24/05 Tue
Hi I will attending the pageant in December as well. I have not spent any of MY money, and look forward to competing in the pageant.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 07:19:02 06/11/05 Sat
Could someone help me? I recieved a letter in the mail stating that i was eligible to participate in the 2005 St. Louis Pagent. I went to the web site on the letter they sent me and it was no help. I can't find any thing on this pagent. So could someone who knows anything about the pagent please e-mail me at bmhuse@aol.com or bmhuse@hotmail.com.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 08:57:54 07/09/05 Sat
I was recently crowned Miss Teen Pensacola. It is a great experience and to think it cost nothing to compete. I received sponsors from local buisnesses, family members and friends. There is a interview session (which is VERY important) casual wear, formal wear, and a question (that is told to you before hand) Afterwards the top ten finalist are selected. Then your required to pull a UNKNOWN question out of an envelope and the scores are back down to zero (so anyone could win depending on your answer) They have a miss photogenic in each age division and a miss congieniality. I will be competing in the Miss Citites of America pageant in the month of December (16-21) wish me luck and I hope I was of some assistance to you. Good Luck sweetie.
Vida Sheffield
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 16:29:53 08/08/05 Mon
My daughter has gotten a letter also and she can't find any information on the pageant now she is worried that it's a scam but she really hopes that it isn't a scam because she has never been to pagent and she really wants to go, but now I would like to make sure that it's legal and not a scam.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:06:55 10/21/05 Fri
Hello. I am into a lot of acting and modeling, and i was in this pageant this year. I think it was on the up and up.. and all. i competed for miss jr. teen, ali morisette who was one of my friends won. who was your daughter? maybe i know her!
Love,
Allana
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 07:43:32 07/29/06 Sat
Pagents usually need business sponsors, that is how they are run, it is all about exposure, for the contestant and for the business.
Has anyone thought that maybe Patty Neidert might have a different last name that she won the crown under?
I thought she said she won pageants, not specifically the Miss America.
Next, I think some of the people that are complaining might be ones that lost, and their poor sportsmanship conduct is showing.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 06:46:34 11/06/06 Mon
>Pagents usually need business sponsors, that is how
>they are run, it is all about exposure, for the
>contestant and for the business.
>Has anyone thought that maybe Patty Neidert might have
>a different last name that she won the crown under?
>I thought she said she won pageants, not specifically
>the Miss America.
>Next, I think some of the people that are complaining
>might be ones that lost, and their poor sportsmanship
>conduct is showing.
MY DAUGHTER PLACED IN THE TOP TEN AND I WOULD NOT RECOMEND THIS PAGEANT. IT IS AMONEY PIT. MS MICHIGAN AND MS USA9OR AMERICA WERE THERE I CAN NOT REMEMBER WHICH0 AND THEY TO SAID THAT THIS PAGEANT WAS NOT A RUN RIGHT AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT ALL THEY CARED ABOUT WAS MONEY. THEY DID NOT CARE ABOUT HOW IT WAS RUN OR THE GIRLS. THEY HAVE LIED ABOUT MANY THINGS. I COULD POST ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAD AND THEN ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT MS MICHIGAN TOLD ME ABOUT THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE REALIZED WERE PROBLEMS BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR FIRST PAGEANT AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEM BUT IT WOULD TAKE A WHOLE PAGE. MS MICHIGAN IS PLANNING ON REPORTING THEM AND SO AM I. PLEASE, PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THIS. NONE OF IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR MY DAUGHTER. THE REHERSAL WAS A TOKEN EFFORT AND DID VERY LITTLE GOOD FOR THE GIRLS, THERE WAS NO PLACE FOR THE GIRLS TO GET READY, WE HAD TO GET MY DUAGHTER READY IN A BATHROON AT MONGOLIAN GRILL BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY ENOUGH ROOM IN THE DRESSING ROOM FOR NOT EVEN HALF OF THE CONTESTANTS. THE PAGEANT WAS OVER 4 HOURS LONG.
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>Next, I think some of the people that are complaining
>might be ones that lost, and their poor sportsmanship
>conduct is showing.
IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT MOST OF THE POSITIVE REPLIES ARE FROM GIRLS WHO WON, OFCOARSE IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THEM.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 11:16:00 09/03/06 Sun
My daughter has recieved flyers in the mail and I can not even find the website that was listed in the flyer. What is the real deal with this?
Mom in Rockingham, NC
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 20:52:56 09/09/06 Sat
Patty Neidert said that she was crowned Miss America. She didn't give the year or anything. All she said was that she has competed in over 35 pageants and won 11. She told a story about her answer to the question that won her the title of Miss America. "I'd like to find out what my real hair color is." I've researched this for over an hour now and it doesn't say that she'd ever been crowned Miss America. I don't know if this is a scam or not, but I will make sure because I'll find out if I was accepted into the pageant or not on Wednesday.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 15:32:27 09/21/06 Thu
My daughter was involved with this pageant. She had no experience before this one. She was the photogenic winner for the pre-team and went to Orlnado for the Nationals.
The workers at the Rosen Center and staff from the Pageant was very nice. They put on a wekk of excitement for the families.
My daughter walked a way with the confidence to continue and has gone on to win many trophies and tiaras. She is 19 now and judging for Sunburst Pageant and enjoying it. She still participates in other pageants with confidence. Nationals gave her that first step. As a mother I also support this pageant company. And Patty is a peach!!!!!!
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>My daughter was involved with this pageant. She had no
>experience before this one. She was the photogenic
>winner for the pre-team and went to Orlnado for the
>Nationals.
>The workers at the Rosen Center and staff from the
>Pageant was very nice. They put on a wekk of
>excitement for the families.
>My daughter walked a way with the confidence to
>continue and has gone on to win many trophies and
>tiaras. She is 19 now and judging for Sunburst Pageant
>and enjoying it. She still participates in other
>pageants with confidence. Nationals gave her that
>first step. As a mother I also support this pageant
>company. And Patty is a peach!!!!!!
My daughter participated inthe pageant in Xenia, Ohio. It was sorta cheesy, not may decorations. I wouldn't call it a scam but it was not put together well. Patty indicated she would be there and she wasn't. I'd like to know more as well.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:36:15 10/02/06 Mon
My daughter was in yesterdays (10-01-06) pageant in Green Bay WI and it was all up and up. We did not spend one penny but did have to get sponsors. This was her first pageant ever and it really help build her self confidience.
There is a interview session (which is VERY important) casual wear, formal wear, and a question (that is told to you before hand) Afterwards the top ten finalist are selected. Then your required to pull a UNKNOWN question out of an envelope and the scores are back down to zero (so anyone could win depending on your answer). She will be competing in the Nationals Florida in Dec and if there would be any young girls out there that would be interested in answering any questions she may have could you please contact us. Thank you, Kimberly
kknight@mcw.edu
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:42:16 10/02/06 Mon
My daughter was in yesterdays (10-01-06) pageant in
Green Bay WI and it was all up and up. She won 2nd runner up and we did not spend one penny but did have to get sponsors. This was her first pageant ever and it really help build her self confidience.
There is a interview session (which is VERY important)
casual wear, formal wear, and a question (that is told
to you before hand) Afterwards the top ten finalist
are selected. Then your required to pull a UNKNOWN
question out of an envelope and the scores are back
down to zero (so anyone could win depending on your
answer). She will be competing in the Nationals
Florida, if there would be any young girls
out there that would be interested in answering any
questions she may have could you please contact us.
Thank you,
kknight@mcw.edu
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:38:31 10/02/06 Mon
>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>choice, any help would be appreciated!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:11:55 11/20/06 Mon
i'm accepted into this and it'll be going down in december... i dont really want to hand these people $500, but ive heard hugely different reviews on this one site... now i'm totally confused.
seems like the girls who did well loved the whole experience, and those who lost only remembered to negative parts... i'll probably lose.. so i dont know what to do!!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:53:58 12/15/06 Fri
>The experience for first time people can be kind of nerve wrecking. you want to find as much information about the pageant as you can but the reality of it is that the information is not there. if you dont actually go to the information session and listen for yourself you wont know. by excepting the invitation and attending the session is how you will find out if its a scam or not. me i knew it was all about money but i wanted to participate anyways. i had never participated in anything like this beforehand plus i was getting older so i thought it would be a great opportunity.. they say that there is no experienced needed and they will teach you everything you need to know to win but the fact of the matter is they really dont. for those who dont catch on that fast it definitely takes more than an hour or two to learn how to walk properly. i made it to the top ten.. when you are a top ten finalists they pay your way into nationals competition but.. you still have to find your way there and back.. pay your own hotel expenses which is very expensive because they require all contestants to stay at the rosen hotel.. and they must have a chaperone.. staying there could cost up to i think it was about 600 for the contestant and more than that for the chaperone. although i got a bid to go on i decided not to compete in the next level because when it all boils down all your doing is investing more and more money that all of ppl dont have and your not guaranteed a win. the experience is great but if you really think about it your paying for a crown thats the reality of it.. why pay all this money just so someone to tell you your beautiful u shouldnt have to pay anything to be crowned beautiful.. your beauty came without a price so why do u have to pay to be called as such.. patty wasnt there like she said she will be.. she was probably going around giving other young girls false hopes.. its all about inner beauty and that was a bunch of bullcrap.. i met so many girls who were so innocent and beautiful inside maybe not as much so on the outside who should have at least made it to the top ten at least...and furthermore you pay all this money and you get nothing..nothing but a piece of paper that says thanks for participating it should say thanks for giving us all your money.. everyone should have at least gotten a trophy didnt they deserve that i mean they didnt pay $500 how much could a trophy possibly cost.. not to mention many of the girls paid for miss photogenic which was like 125 more..all this money.. i say its a scam as with lots of other things in the world but its up to the person to really decide if this is something they would like to invest in..
Columbus, Ohio finalist (August 27, 2006)
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:50:19 03/26/07 Mon
I do not know anything about the other cities in America, but in Phoenix, Arizona it was a total scam. The pageant went on for over 5 hours without a break. Suppossedly, the girls were be being judged. Well at one point during the junior teen teen formal wear, which is the division my daughter was in, I noticed that only TWO judges were present for over 40 of the girls. Apparently the top ten is already picked prior to the formal wear competition. How else can you explain the failure of proper judging procedures. I am going to file a complaint with the better business bureau as well as let everyone know about this pageant in Phoenix, Arizona. The Nationals Pageant I am referring to occurred on March 25th 2007 at Shadow Mountain High School. Anyone else who has had the same type of experience please email me at kowalskiphnx@hotmail.com
Sincerely,
David L Kowalski
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 08:21:32 05/23/07 Wed
My daughter was in one of National's pageants last year and although she did not win, she loved every minute of it. You can tell that the young ladies are not chosen ahead of time, the panel of judges are from our own area and if the judges panel was not full, then you can blame them for obviously not finding it important enough to show up or care for their youth. The judges panel on our pageant day was full, and they were all wonderful. My daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the pageant and she did. As long as you follow the instructions given to you, the pageant experience was very rewarding and has shown my daughter that personality and whats inside is just as or more important than one's appearance. I would definately recommend this pageant to anyone looking for a wonderful learning experience for their young lady.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:20:12 07/07/07 Sat
>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young ladies are
chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was full,
so you can blame them for obviously finding it>important enough to show up or care.
my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water, and her daughter didn't even place.
she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many intermissions.
my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and have a good looking kid and one with personality and just has a good time being a girl you should be proud. you certainly don't need a pageant to tell y ou that.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:38 07/18/07 Wed
>>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss
>photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young
>ladies are
> chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't
>even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all
>paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was full,
> so you can blame them for obviously finding
>it>important enough to show up or care.
>my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water
>and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the
>pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls
>in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water,
>and her daughter didn't even place.
>she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot
>she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and
>lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many
>intermissions.
>my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone
>numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and
>have a good looking kid and one with personality and
>just has a good time being a girl you should be proud.
> you certainly don't need a pageant to tell y ou that.
It's wonderful to see that the people who think they know the most actually know the least. The judges are VOLUNTEERS. I have been a judge. We are not paid. We get a lunch, PERIOD. No gas money, no pay. But I have gotten something every time. I get to see the girls who know why they are doing this have a great time. It's a learning experience, people. Your kids need to learn that LIFE WILL NOT BE PERFECT. They need to learn that THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THEM. Do your kids play sports? Do they win EVERY GAME ?? Do your kids a favor a get the point. By the way, it's not a scam. I've judged 3 times; I ask to be called back. Sure it's on my own time, but that's what makes it so rewarding to me. I'm not patting myself on the back, but I guess I have a grip on why we are here on this earth. Another by the way. When our age division(meaning the one we are not judging) is not on stage we are allowed to get up and go potty, for crying out loud. We do NOT have to remain at the table for all age divisions...same way in the BIG Pageants. do yourself and your kid a favor, until you have a handle on productive parenting, better to just stay at home and whine.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:00:15 09/14/07 Fri
>>>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>>>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss
>>photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young
>>ladies are
>> chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't
>>even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all
>>paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was
>full,
>> so you can blame them for obviously finding
>>it>important enough to show up or care.
>>my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water
>>and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the
>>pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls
>>in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water,
>>and her daughter didn't even place.
>>she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot
>>she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and
>>lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many
>>intermissions.
>>my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone
>>numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and
>>have a good looking kid and one with personality and
>>just has a good time being a girl you should be proud.
>> you certainly don't need a pageant to tell you that.
>
It's wonderful to see that the people who think they
>know the most actually know the least. The judges are
>VOLUNTEERS. I have been a judge. We are not paid. We
>get a lunch, PERIOD. No gas money, no pay. But I have
>gotten something every time. I get to see the girls
>who know why they are doing this have a great time.
>It's a learning experience, people. Your kids need to
>learn that LIFE WILL NOT BE PERFECT. They need to
>learn that THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THEM. Do
>your kids play sports? Do they win EVERY GAME ?? Do
>your kids a favor a get the point. By the way, it's
>not a scam. I've judged 3 times; I ask to be called
>back. Sure it's on my own time, but that's what makes
>it so rewarding to me. I'm not patting myself on the
>back, but I guess I have a grip on why we are here on
>this earth. Another by the way. When our age
>division(meaning the one we are not judging) is not on
>stage we are allowed to get up and go potty, for
>crying out loud. We do NOT have to remain at the
>table for all age divisions...same way in the BIG
>Pageants. do yourself and your kid a favor, until you
>have a handle on productive parenting, better to just
>stay at home and whine.
do you need to be such a bitch
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 04:22:42 07/25/07 Wed
My Daughter participated in the local National, inc competition this past weekend in Buffalo, NY. I had a bad attitude going to the information session thinking that there would be modeling agency's, etc there trying to solicit business, but it was exactly as it said. Simply information with no pressure what so ever. The pageant can certainly be costly but everything is explained very clearly. There are no surprise costs. There are probably expeses involved with putting on the production besides the obvious that we don't know about, and lets face it, this is a business, they need to make a profit. We don't think twice of paying probably triple what it costs stores for the clothes we buy. I personally was impressed with how well the pageant was organized from the information session through the production. All questions were answered and the information booklets were very well writted and explained every detail. As the previous post states, kids don't win every game they play in. As heartbreaking as it is for the kids that don't win or place, that is part of life and hopefully they will give themselves credit for getting up there on that stage in the first place. More guts than most adults have!! The other thing that I liked about this pageant (and honestly, I don't have anything to compare as this was her first pageant) is that it is truely personality based. There were no drop dead gorgeous "beauty queens" up there. Just everyday kids doing this for the excitement and experience. For most, this was their first pageant. No one was overly made up to look 10 years older and they were really judged on personality, poise, etc. I love that!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 08:38:25 10/17/07 Wed
WELL CLEARLY I RECEIVED THE SAME LETTER AND WAS SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE...I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THIS IS ALREADY STARTING TO BE FUN FOR ME....FOR THISE OF YOU WHO ARE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THIS PAGEANT I MUST SAY YOU SOUND PRETTY IGNORANT.....MAYBE YOUR DAUGHTER DIDNT HAVE WHAT IT TOOK TO BE CROWNED OR MAYBE YOU DIDNT HELP HER WELL ENOUGH...THEREFORE SHE DID NOT GET CHOSEN.....CLEARLY IF THERE WERE CONTESTANTS THAT DID GET SOMETHING OUT OF THIS AND SAID IT WAS NOT A SCAM THAN OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PEOPLE TO VOUCH FOR THIS PAGEANT AND IT IS NOT A SCAM..SO STOP EMBARRASING YOUR SELF AND YOUR DAUGHTER(S)...
-16 YEAR OLD TEEN-
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:12:49 12/18/07 Tue
The website for Cities of America, Nationals Competition is: www.nationalsincorporated.com This website shows all aspects of the final competition in Orlando FL. If you click on the bottom right photo you can view a video. It is an accurate view of what goes on in Florida at the National level. The video is from 3 years ago (2004) but the information is still the same. The circle of photos in the middle of the website can be clicked on and show still shots with some more info. You can make your own assessment based on the information presented. Hope it helps.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 15:29:43 01/01/08 Tue
Hello everyone,
I just got back from orlando and i have just competed in the Cities of America 2007 pageant. Although the pageant was very nervewrecking and scary i had a lot of fun. In orlando you meet many new people and stay in a beautiful hotel. I was crowned in my city and i got a free trip to orlando. COA is not a money pit but i thought that at first it was too. It is very costly to go to Orlando even with my expenses paid for. Once i got there i realized how much money they need for everything (trophies,prizes,hotel,ect.). Every contestant in the COA pageant recieves a framed certificate,big trophy,and a cute diamond crown pin. Overall there were 318 girls there, and it was huge. The only thing i am very discouraged about this company is that in Orlando there are many girls who have had traning and who memorize their answers. I was very well certain that the judges would see through that but thay did not, and their whole Top 10 was based on people with "fake" personality. I was very upset because i showed my true personality and did not make it into Top 10. But, i had a very great time and made many new friends. At the information session they tell you they have many parties and such. There was only one party and that was planned on the schedule. Sorry girls but there were no pizza parties, spa days, slumber parties and such. Coa is a great company and they are very well organized. My best of luck goes out to all the girls hoping to go to orlando or who are already planning on going! Have fun and do your best! Any questions feel free to leave them on this website and i will try to answer them soon! Good luck ladies!
COA reviewer
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:41:54 05/23/08 Fri
Okay listen up everyone. I won this pageant at the local competition level and won Miss Photogenic. I then competed in the Nationals Pageant in Orlando and my fee was paid for. However, I must say that we were extremely disappointed when we arrived in Orlando to find that the last two years of winners were all competing against each other. (That saves the company money by being able to have one pageant for them all.) I've never seen so many girls in one age group competing against each other in any legitimate pageant. Also, I used to work for Nationals years after my win. I interviewed girls for this pageant and we were basically told to interview the girls, but every girl gets picked to compete. EVERY GIRL. Even if we know they don't really have a chance at winning. This pageant is focused on the money and that is all. It isn't a stepping stone to Miss USA or Miss America or anything like that so I'd steer clear.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 19:12:59 02/12/09 Thu
We participated in Ohio and it was definitely a rip off. I actually knew one of the judges (we used to work together) but he did not know my daughter. I contacted him aftwerward to find out more. He judges for other pageants incl Miss America. He said that they got very little instruction at this pageant, and that judging for this pageant is kind of an afterthought. More of a cattle call. The man that was the "chorographer" was an old guy in a sport coat (because he is fat) with a goatee who gripes and shouts at the girls. Not professional, not appropriate, not even good at what he does. The stage is just a theater stage, there is no good setup, very unimpressive. It looks like they just showed up that day and said "start!" The show itself is boring and repetitive. The ask the exact same inane question of 300 girls in a row. Unbelieveable. There were no suitable dressing room facilities for the girls. Only changing are for about 15 girls, plus a dark hot hallway which was the unsecured and unprivate dressing area for 300 girls. they sat on the dirty floor in their long dresses waiting for up to two hours to go on stage for 5 minutes. Very sad. I tried to put a good face on it, but my daughter was crying and disillusioned. She saw how phony it was and she was only 12.
I also saw a press release on the girl that ended up winning nationals and did a posting. The "sporty car" is a tiny little car of little value. It is pretty much winner take all, and it is not that much to get. The supposed "$20,000" at our city pageant was mostly discounts off the purchase of a modeling course. It was not real awards - just puffery. They sold our names and phone numbers to a modeling company who then called us and pressured us to come in and "be discovered" whilst paying $1,200 for a modeling course. The sad thing is that so many people fall for this pageant and get scammed. We did. This pageant is indeed a scam and is not the real thing.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 19:25:19 02/12/09 Thu
BY THE WAY, YOU OFFICE PEOPLE AT NATIONALS, INC. / CITIES OF AMERICA, VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE FOOLED BY THE POSITIVE POSTINGS THAT Y0U PEPPERED THIS BOARD WITH. IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS BY THE WAY THEY ARE WRITTEN THAT YOU DID THE WRITING.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO WORK FOR THIS COMPANY. YOU KNOW THAT NATIONALS INC LIES AND LIES TO THESE GIRLS AND FAMILIES. GET AWAY FROM THIS SHAM COMPANY WHILE YOU CAN AND GET A REAL JOB DOING GOOD THINGS FOR PEOPLE INSTEAD OF LYING TO THEM AND CHEATING THEM.
EVER WONDER WHY YOUR OWNER HAS GONE OUT OF BUSINESS THREE TIMES (i have done some research). HE LEAVES PEOPLE HOLDING THE BAG AND THEN STARTS UP AGAIN UNDER A NEW NAME. HIS NAME IS JOE, RIGHT?!
EVER WONDER WHY HE SKIPS A YEAR BETWEEN CITIES. AFRAID OF AN ANGRY MOB FROM LAST YEAR, I'LL BET.
EVER WONDER WHY THERE IS NO SCHEDULE OF CITIES ON THE WEBSITE. HE IS IN AND OUT. NO TRACE. NO TAXES.
EVER WONDER WHY THE ACTUAL PRIZES TO BE GIVEN OUT ARE NOT LISTED, JUST SPOKEN. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE FLUFF.
EVER WONDER WHY YOUR PAGEANT IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU?
EVER WONDER WHY THEY ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AS A LEGITIMATE PAGEANT?
EVERY WONDER WHAT EFFECT YOU HAVE ON INNOCENT GIRLS AS YOU TALK AT YOUR INFORMATION SESSION ABOUT THE MEDIA BEING AT THEIR PAGEANT TO FILM, AND THEY CAN BE DISCOVERED. YOU KNOW THAT IS A CROC. WHY DO YOU SAY IT?
STOP FLEECING YOUNG GIRLS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:26:10 05/18/10 Tue
>BY THE WAY, YOU OFFICE PEOPLE AT NATIONALS, INC. /
>CITIES OF AMERICA, VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE FOOLED BY THE
>POSITIVE POSTINGS THAT Y0U PEPPERED THIS BOARD WITH.
>IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS BY THE WAY THEY ARE WRITTEN THAT
>YOU DID THE WRITING.
>
>YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO WORK FOR THIS COMPANY. YOU
>KNOW THAT NATIONALS INC LIES AND LIES TO THESE GIRLS
>AND FAMILIES. GET AWAY FROM THIS SHAM COMPANY WHILE
>YOU CAN AND GET A REAL JOB DOING GOOD THINGS FOR
>PEOPLE INSTEAD OF LYING TO THEM AND CHEATING THEM.
>
>EVER WONDER WHY YOUR OWNER HAS GONE OUT OF BUSINESS
>THREE TIMES (i have done some research). HE LEAVES
>PEOPLE HOLDING THE BAG AND THEN STARTS UP AGAIN UNDER
>A NEW NAME. HIS NAME IS JOE, RIGHT?!
>
>EVER WONDER WHY HE SKIPS A YEAR BETWEEN CITIES. AFRAID
>OF AN ANGRY MOB FROM LAST YEAR, I'LL BET.
>
>EVER WONDER WHY THERE IS NO SCHEDULE OF CITIES ON THE
>WEBSITE. HE IS IN AND OUT. NO TRACE. NO TAXES.
>
>EVER WONDER WHY THE ACTUAL PRIZES TO BE GIVEN OUT ARE
>NOT LISTED, JUST SPOKEN. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE
>FLUFF.
>
>EVER WONDER WHY YOUR PAGEANT IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE
>BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU?
>
>EVER WONDER WHY THEY ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AS A
>LEGITIMATE PAGEANT?
>
>EVERY WONDER WHAT EFFECT YOU HAVE ON INNOCENT GIRLS AS
>YOU TALK AT YOUR INFORMATION SESSION ABOUT THE MEDIA
>BEING AT THEIR PAGEANT TO FILM, AND THEY CAN BE
>DISCOVERED. YOU KNOW THAT IS A CROC. WHY DO YOU SAY IT?
>
>STOP FLEECING YOUNG GIRLS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AMEN and HALLELUHIAH, you have no idea how absolutely correct you are in every statement you have posted, it is a scam, it is all about the money and that's all it's about. They do lie about EVERYTHING, and if you call them, no matter who you speak to they all tell the same lies, it is drilled into their heads, they have a script concerning the lies they are supposed to tell. And whatever you do, DON'T ever think you are going to call the office and be able to speak to the "Office Manager" because she avoids getting on the phone to anyone, EVER!!! In my opinion they are absolutely corrupt in every single aspect of this so called business. Stay away, tell everyone you know to stay away, shut them down once and for all.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:03:54 08/27/09 Thu
My daughter just got her acceptance letter and I am in the process of securing sponsors and I came acroess this blog. I am having second thoughts now. My daughter would be heart broken if this is a scam. There are many mixed reviews on this site. Just trying to make final decision.
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:37:11 09/27/09 Sun
I just checked out Nationals, Inc. on the Better Business Bureau website for Western PA. They have had 10 complaints against them in the last 36 months, 2 of which are listed as "serious complaints." They are not a BBB endorsed business, and they were given a BBB rating of F, which is the lowest possible rating. Sounds to me like it's nothing but a scam to make money. Yeah, they may crown a winner, but think of all the money they are making in the process with 300 girls in every city they are doing this. I'm staying away from it!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 17:43:37 01/22/10 Fri
I have been searching and searching and all I get is the same thing the website that doesn't have a contact email etc.., I am rather frustrated right now. I have all sponsors money and I am not sure what to do now. I have a dress and casual wear outfit and professional portrait. My daughter is 8 and will be devestated if this is a scam. Can someone please email me at nycestgirlevr@yahoo.com
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:09:21 03/08/10 Mon
>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>anything on the web about them. is a scam miss teen anaheim they charge for everything even 20 dollars admition ticket for every body including babys com on
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:22:03 03/08/10 Mon
Any body in miss Teen Anaheim BEWARE is a SCAM NATIONALS INC is a SCAM check all the reviews they charge 500 dollars for pageant 125 for photogenics 200 for pictures ur not allowed to take you own pics or your own photografer plus you have to travel from Anaheim to el Monte high school and they charge 20 dollars each including babys plus even if you win you have to spend like 1000 dollars because you have to stay in a particular five star hotel and your chaperron a little more than that is a big Scam
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 20:22:57 04/15/10 Thu
CHANNEL 3 in Memphis did an EXPOSE' on CITIES OF AMERICA. WATCH THIS VIDEO <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/a23de934-b9f7-46a7-a768-68fbe7d23238/News/Ugly-Truth-About-Pageants">http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/a23de934-b9f7-46a7-a768-68fbe7d23238/News/Ugly-Truth-About-Pageants</a>
There are other pageants that are real and are good. THIS ONE IS NOT!
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 20:25:19 04/15/10 Thu
MUST SEE VIDEO ON CITIES OF AMERICA by Channel 3 News in Memphis
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/a23de934-b9f7-46a7-a768-68fbe7d23238/News/Ugly-Truth-About-Pageants">http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/a23de934-b9f7-46a7-a768-68fbe7d23238/News/Ugly-Truth-About-Pageants</a>
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Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:23:52 02/05/14 Wed
I am not sure but I think the name has changed but is the same group of people. My daughter and I recieved a letter in the mail. We went to the meeting, they want about $500 in sponsor money. Pretty much everything all of you are saying is the same story here. I called and asked for their Tax ID number, they gave me bogus one. The website is junk. No previous winners were at the meeting or have contact info posted. No sponsor info. Youtube link's are basic stuff not specific to the organization. BBB doesn't have anything in them. They are currently based out of Chicago, IL.The prize money is more than Miss America gets. The hotel doesn't and has not had their reservation on the books. There is a pageant, but it is a legitimate one. So to me, it looks like they closed this Inc. When too many people caught on and opened an LLC. Other than Patty, no names are given. Anyway, the new plan is to do a pageant in each major city. The letter we got was 2014 Miss Teen San Diego. The contact phone number is 877-403-6678. The agreement you sign is with 2014 Miss Teen, LLC.
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