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Re: FEE FII FOO FUM - HERE THE GURU MEN COME -- Anonymous, 12:45:55 01/17/05 Mon
>Read this is you are even THINKING about going to any
>FF pageant. -- Anonymous, 09:35:12 09/07/02 Sat
>
>Subject: LETS MAKE A LIST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT T/M
>"RUN"
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
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>Date Posted: 06:49:14 09/07/02 Sat
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>TROY AND MICHAEL RUN ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES EITHER
>HANDS ON OR THROUGH A 2ND PARTY.
>
>2 PAGEANTS
>GLAMOUR DOLLS
>FABULOUS FACES
>
>HAIR AND MAKEUP
>
>PHOTOGRAPHY
>
>CLOTHING THROUGH
>CHRISTINA'S (TINA MARSHALL)
>
>SWIMSUITS THROUGH
>SANDI HENRY
>
>FALLS AND HAIRPIECES
>
>TANNING THROUGH
>LORI FRANKLIN
>
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>Replies:
>ho ho ho he he he - NOW WE KNOW WHY THOSE MOM'S HAVE
>LESS THAN PRETTY KIDS WHO WIN PAGEANTS. THAT EXPLAINS
>HOW SOME OF THEM WON FF AND GD.....NOW I SEE, HA HA HA
>HA HA (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:16:03 09/07/02 Sat
>Let's list all Michael Butlers businesses: Hair and
>makeup, photography, don't forget coaching with or
>without Shane, also designed clothes, not to mention
>"running or should I say owning" pageants from behind
>the scene! This came from S & M OWN mouth. I am a
>former client they assured me my kid would win if I
>went because someone was having the pageant for them.
>YOu know it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
>out besides Butler who is always on here
>bashing..let's see, have daughters always beat by
>Hannah.... (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:53:21 09/07/02 Sat
>MOST ALL THE PROBLEMS IN PAGEANTS HAVE BEEN CREATED BY
>THESE FOUR 'GUYS'. Now what we have here are 4 men who
>have egos bigger than well......anyway, lol, they
>think they are something. They are haughty and
>arrogrant if anyone dares to try to make waves in
>their all consuming businesses. If these guys are all
>tied up with the FF and MDD pageant systems, THE BEST
>THING TO DO IS NOT SUPPORT EITHER ONE OF THEM. We all
>know that t/m's suck ups will be at theirs and those
>that Butler control will be at MDD, now why would any
>other dumb smuck want to go and pay for their kids and
>clients to win. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:08:31 09/07/02
>Sat
>EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE KIDS OWNED BY THESE ABOVE
>LISTED BUSINESS PARTNERS HAVE WON BIG TITLES AND BOTH
>FF AND GD. NOW IF THAT ISN'T CLEAR TO YOU DUMMIES,
>NOTHING ELSE IS. THAT IS THE BIGGEST COI IN PAGEANTS.
>WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM FF
>AND GD ARE. NOTHING IF YOU GOT A BRAIN. (NT) --
>Anonymous, 08:12:44 09/07/02 Sat
>Re: I HAVE TO AGREE ON ALOT OF THAT. DH AND JM ARE NOT
>AT ALL PRETTY AND YET THEY HAVE MANAGED TO WIN BIG
>GRANDS AT THE PAGEANTS T/M HAVE IN THEIR POCKETS.
>HANNA D LOOKS GOOD ON STAGE AFTER ALL THE THICK
>PANCAKE MAKEUP FAKE LASHES AND PAINTES ON FEATURES BUT
>CLOSE UP WITHOUT ALL THE MAKEUP THE CHILD IS DOWNRIGHT
>HOMELY. I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT BUT ITS TRUE. (NT) --
>Anonymous, 08:20:51 09/07/02 Sat
>This is the way it is. These kids that are up the
>rears of T/M can't win any other way. Also, they ONLY
>win at pageants where the gurus control. They go back
>to the same ones every year and get their wins. NONE
>of their business partners clients can venture to any
>other pageant and do any good. Few of their clients
>can go elsewhere and win either. imho (NT) --
>Anonymous, 08:29:29 09/07/02 Sat
>
>
>Subject: ANY PREDICTIONS FOR NE FABULOUS FACES?
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
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>Date Posted: 06:12:45 09/07/02 Sat
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>ALOT OF KIDS MADE UP TO LOOK LIKE DRAG QUEENS WHO HAVE
>MAMAS WHO ARE WILLING TO SUCK GURU BUTT TO GET THEM
>SHABBY WINS THAT NOONE RESPECTS. LOL (NT) --
>Anonymous, 06:16:51 09/07/02 Sat
>Re: I thought they wanted more natural looks for this
>pageant? (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:43:10 09/07/02 Sat
>They tell you that but it is BULLSHIT. All the winners
>are big pros faked up just like they are at GD. WHAT
>about the fact they judge their own pageant don't you
>understand? It is all about their clients and ALL
>their clients are made up heavy and have all the fake
>hair, etc. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:14:54 09/07/02 Sat
>Re: Can anyone please make real predictions on this
>pageant and not just vent against T/M! (NT) --
>Anonymous, 08:24:10 09/07/02 Sat
>IF THEY WERE NOT SUCH JERKS, IT WOULD NOT BE
>HAPPENING. HERE IS A PREDICTION FOR YOU....ALL THE
>WINNERS WILL BE THEIR BUSINESS PARTNERS KIDS, BEST
>FRIENDS KIDS, CLIENTS KIDS AND THE PEOPLE HAVE MONEY
>THAT THEY WANT TO BE THEIR CLIENTS WILL ALLLLLLL WIN.
>IT IS ALWAYS THAT WAY. THEY JUDGE THEIR OWN PAGEANT,
>THAT SAYS IT ALL. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:25:40 09/07/02
>Sat
>
>
>Subject: Mystical Dreams vs. FF
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
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>Date Posted: 07:30:05 09/07/02 Sat
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>Has anybody bothered to call Toni O. yet and tell her
>what she's getting herself into with this MD director?
>The director got Toni hook, line&sinker by giving
>Toni's kid a grand supreme in one of her many photo
>contests to ensure that Toni would come...also gave
>grand supreme entries to some of Toni's other kids,
>including CF to make sure the kid didn't even go back
>and crown at FF and came to her pageant instead. The
>woman has a ran a heavy line of crock by Toni telling
>Toni she already has 30 paid entries in her hand and
>that is she is giving the money no matter what and
>Toni has fallen for it......has anybody bothered to
>tell Toni how involved Michael Butler is in this thing
>and that once Linda gets Toni and her kids there and
>she gets their money, they are ALL getting screwed???
>
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>Well, people WARNED THO about getting involved with FF
>last year and their her kid and her favorties clients
>got screwed. She did not listen about T and M, even
>tho she KNEW what they were capable of. I doubt she
>will listen about this either. FF is far more
>political because t/m control more judges and people
>than BUTLER, imo. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:10:46 09/07/02
>Sat
>At least the winners Toni did have at FF last year GOT
>their $. No way will this lady pay this $. Her entire
>pageant was planned with Michael Butler to hurt FF.
>She has given every single one of Toni's major clients
>a free entry to this pageant, and many more free
>entries as well, and claiming she has 30 paid entries
>in hand. I just hate to see all these kids get
>screwed. The woman will never be able to pay her
>money. Would love to see some initials of these
>supposed 30 "paid" entries she has! (NT) --
>Subject: On a post below, a poster tells about the
>fall business that Lopez started.
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
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>Date Posted: 06:20:16 09/07/02 Sat
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>They posted that Troy and Michael put up a banner on
>the Bravo making fun of Farrah's Falls. I think that
>is the dirtiest thing I have ever heard of. They were
>big buddies and Farah's mom was SOOOOOOOO into them.
>The posts says that they were made because she started
>that business. The NOW have a fall business and the
>poster said they were so greedy they wanted that too,
>along with their other 6 or 7 spin off COI businesses.
>They have got to be the most selfish people I have
>heard of. They want it all. I wish I could have seen
>the banner they put up making fun of her fall
>business. But that is the way they are. They can't
>stand for anyone to have ANYTHING but them. What did
>the banner say? I would like to hear more about this,
>it is one of the tackier things they have done,
>besides bashing kids on the internet because they were
>mad at their parents.
>
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>Replies:
>Re: It is not F. Lopez. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:26:30
>09/07/02 Sat
>THEN WHO IS F'S MOM. THEY ALSO HAD A FALLING OUT WITH
>FL AND HER MOM OVER SOMETHING. (NT) -- Anonymous,
>06:41:43 09/07/02 Sat
>Re: Lopez switched to Toni O for h/m. that was what
>got them hating on her. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:44:22
>09/07/02 Sat
>HERE IS THE POST BELOW>>>> T/M do not give a damn if
>she awards the money or not. What they do care about
>is loosing 50 or more contestants in their own
>pageants. Don't you get they do not care about YOU or
>your kid, all they care about is their wallet !
>Remember when F's mom started selling falls and they
>had a banner made ridiculing her ? I was so shocked.
>With 2 pageants and a photography business, you'd
>think they could leave the hair fall business to
>someone else but noooooooo !! (NT) -- Anonymous,
>06:26:34 09/07/02 Sat
>
>
>Subject: MDD vs FF
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
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>Date Posted: 06:55:05 09/06/02 Fri
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>Well I intended to go to FF in the beginning but I've
>definitely changed my mind.
>T&M have been bashing in every single possible way
>since MDD started - not only did they call the
>director and THREATENED her, but they bashed H/M
>coming, kids coming, gosh they even bashed the HOTEL
>price !!
>How can adults go that low ? And the worse is they
>must think we are so damn stupid and no see through
>them.
>
>So... we're headed to MDD instead. Butler is supposed
>to "run the show". He was supposed to run quite a
>number of pageants this year (including some he didnt
>even come to). He was supposed to run ED last year -
>but guess who won a Supreme and 8 door titles ? It
>wasn't LB ! LOL.
>
>I just wish all of the directors would stop taking us
>for fools and let us make our own decisions. T/M sure
>showed their true faces these past few months and I
>for one am NOT liking them.
>
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>T/M are egotistical, nasty, and twofaced creeps. They
>bash anyone and everyone that is not tied in with them
>and their systems. They have been into wars with every
>other big name h/m person and are in wars with parents
>that leave them for someone better. They showed their
>true colors years ago when the bashed kids all over
>the internet and spit in the face of the woman holding
>her child. The reason they spit on her was because she
>had the guts to call their pageant systems what they
>are which is hi-priced POLITICAL TRASH.. imho (NT) --
>Anonymous, 07:15:31 09/06/02 Fri
>Amen Sister !!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:49:30 09/06/02
>Fri
>Please go to MDD........I don't think I can be in the
>same room much less hotel with people who are sooooooo
>worried over a CHILDRENS beauty pageant!! Please
>go,go, go to MDD and shut the HELL up!!!!!!! I will
>got to faces and bring back hopefully one of those
>gorgeous crowns!!!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:55:09
>09/06/02 Fri
>Please go to MDD........I don't think I can be in the
>same room much less hotel with people who are sooooooo
>worried over a CHILDRENS beauty pageant!! Please
>go,go, go to MDD and shut the HELL up!!!!!!! I will
>got to faces and bring back hopefully one of those
>gorgeous crowns!!!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:55:10
>09/06/02 Fri
>LOL if you're not "worried" then what are you doing
>here ? Pot calling the kettle black much !! (NT) --
>Anonymous, 09:04:07 09/06/02 Fri
>THEN YOU BETTER HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT STINKY GURU
>SH** ALL OVER YOUR NOSE AND FACE. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT
>IT TAKES TO WIN FF AND NO CROWN IS WORTH THE KIND OF
>STINKY THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO WIN AN FF PAGEANT.
>PARTICULARLY WHEN THE DAMN DIRECTOR YOU SUCK BUTT WITH
>JUDGES THEIR OWN PAGEANT. ROTFLMAO (NT) -- Anonymous,
>09:34:36 09/06/02 Fri
>If you know all, please tell who is going to win in
>the 0-4 at faces. (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:12:21 09/06/02
>Fri
>Let me add that I know it is a 0-5 grand, but give me
>winners in each age group as well as the 0-5 grand.
>Convince me BABY! (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:20:00 09/06/02
>Fri
>You'll have to call TM they have the winners list at
>their house. If you BABY them enough maybe they'll
>share it with you BABY. (NT) -- Anonymous, 13:16:40
>09/06/02 Fri
>You have to promise to become a big client of their
>and let them rule you and your child, tell you where
>to go and tell you what to spend. THEN they will give
>you a crown in return. That is how you win FF or GD,
>SUCK BABY SUCK. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:06:55 09/07/02
>Sat
>
>
>Subject: Here is some truthfulness about the guru
>directors who are so worried about their pageant. If
>they were not worried, they would not have called
>their soldiers out to post for them on any board where
>they are being exposed.
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
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>Date Posted: 16:39:30 09/06/02 Fri
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>They start out with all the sugarcoated lies then they
>move on to snare the big money from anyone who is
>willing to pay. After you pay in several thousand
>dollars, you begin to see that that money is going for
>their child and their wins. If you happen to compete
>in the same supreme group, you start noticing a
>tearing down of your child in suttle ways. This
>happens if they are scared your child might win out.
>They make fun of them in underhanded tacky ways and
>someone who has a brain begins to see the method they
>use. They try to brainwash you that THEIR child is
>better than everyone else and that you have to come in
>second place or suffer the consequences. I guess some
>people who don't have a child in their age group or
>supreme group might last longer than those who do. It
>also depends on how much money you got and how long
>they can suck you dry and you not figure it out. A
>year would be about right because that is about 4 or 5
>pageants and that is where the true colors start
>showing after seeing their displays or arrogance and
>spitefulness.
>
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>Replies:
>This post describes (NT) -- Anonymous, 05:59:22
>09/07/02 Sat
>Re: This post describes T AND M like it was written
>for them. rotflmao, cuz I am sure it was. LOL LOL LOL
>LOL (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:00:08 09/07/02 Sat
>
>
>Subject: This post is from a click in below in another
>post. You have the LB mixed up with the HD kid.
>Neither one is anything but a plain looking kid until
>their daddies put tons of makeup and false hair all
>over their head. Six of one and half dozen of the
>other. But I agree with your point that a crown means
>nothing if it is a fixed win. But some parents don't
>care. They just want a crown so they can blast this
>made up little kids photo all over BRAVO bragging
>about NOTHING.
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
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>Date Posted: 05:55:43 09/07/02 Sat
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>I TOTALLY AGREE. PAGEANTS ARE NOW RUINED WITH THE
>CHAOS AND THE LIKES OF PEOPLE LIKE THIS. WHO THE HELL
>CARES TO WIN A PAGEANT IF IT'S ALREADY FIXED? WHAT
>DOES THAT CROWN STAND FOR? IT STANDS FOR MY MOMMY PAID
>LOTS OF MONEY FOR THAT PIECE OF METAL. WHAT DO THE
>CHILDREN GET FROM THAT? WILL WINNING THIS CERTAIN
>PAGEANT HELP THIS CHILD IN ANYWAY TO HELP HER BECOME A
>BETTER PERSON IN LIFE OR ADVANCE HER MODELING? ALL
>THIS BICKERING, BITCHING, AND BASHING, LIEING,
>CHEATING, AND STEALING HAS MADE PAGEANTS LOOK VERY BAD
>AND PEOPLE WHO COULD CARE LESS WHAT T/M THINK OR
>ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER WILL NOT BUY INTO IT. I
>DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE HELL T/M ARE. ARE THEY THE GAY
>GUYS WITH LESLIE BUTLER WHO HAS MESSED UP TEETH, BUT
>STILL WINS BEAUTY PAGEANTS? I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE
>OF A SHOW ON HBO. BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT. I DO LIKE
>READING THIS BOARD. IT'S ACTUALLY FUNNY THAT ADULTS
>REALLY ACT THIS WAY. I JUST HOPE THEY DON'T ACT OR
>TALK THIS WAY AROUND THE CHILDREN. REMEMBER THEM?
>
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>
>Subject: Some thoughts posted to the guru guys. This
>was on another board. It is unbelievable how a useless
>crown can make people become brainless cult followers.
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
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>Date Posted: 16:47:11 09/06/02 Fri
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>I have a prediction to make for you. Within one year
>you will be scratching your ass to get money to pay
>for all the wonderful things you desire.You are a
>CANCER that has ate away at most of the pageants
>especially in the south. I know a lot of directors
>that wish the had never seen either one of you. You
>have done everything you can do to make them completly
>unfair. You were the first to not give scoresheets,
>and the rest followed in just a few years. You are the
>first to create circut judges. Before directors got
>their own judges. You created circut judges because
>you knew them all. They started with you. You started
>all this digital photos, because you cant shoot a
>decent photo without it being digital. You have
>cheated, in everyway possible and made pageants a
>mockery in everyway. No wonder most of the public
>think pageants are for the insane. I a time when
>pageants need to put their best foot forward you offer
>a satans cloven hoof to show the world. ALL YOU
>DIRECTORS that wonder what is happening to pageants
>only have to look at the past six years to see what is
>wrong. We used to have fine upstanding directors that
>cared what people did at their pageants because it
>might tarnish their image of being wholesome for
>children, but now we have the dredge of society runing
>most of our pageants and they dont care what anyone
>thinks as long as the money pours in. They think they
>are too big to be touched. Some day some of the
>parents of these children will open their eyes and do
>something to save whats left of the pageant world and
>bring some honor to holding a title. Theres nothing to
>be proud of now when you win, even if by chance you
>won honestly. You can blame a lot of people on these
>boards and lord knows there are plenty. You would like
>to convince everyone of your potential clients that
>just a few people are complaining, let me tell you
>that there is no way just a few people could do this
>amount of complaining and everyone knows that. You
>see, every year you add more and more enemys and
>pretty soon you have enough to tell the world about
>all your lies. You have caused a lot of people to go
>out of business and told them you would do so when
>they crossed you. You have caused a lot more to quit
>pageants because they weren't strong enough to fight
>you and win. Some day all these people might get
>together and be your worst nightmare. Wouldn't that be
>a hoot? Anyway CANCER is what you are because you have
>ate the heart out of pageants.
>
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>They want to rule everyone. The threaten their clients
>with not doing their h/m again if they don't go where
>they tell them.. Many of their clients have told the
>freakos to GO TO HELL. They will go where they want
>to. Then the mean ass freakos go around calling those
>people's kids UGLY. They are trash of the pageant
>world. imho (NT) -- Anonymous, 17:00:36 09/06/02 Fri
>WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME OF T/M'S BRAINLESS SOLDIERS ON
>THIS BOARD TRYING TO RUN DAMAGE CONTROL. rotflmao (NT)
>-- Anonymous, 17:03:47 09/06/02 Fri
>Re: WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME OF T/M'S BRAINLESS SOLDIERS
>ON THIS BOARD TRYING TO RUN DAMAGE CONTROL. rotflmao
>(NT) -- Anonymous, 17:12:09 09/06/02 Fri
>Re: Some thoughts posted to the guru guys. This was on
>another board. It is unbelievable how a useless crown
>can make people become brainless cult followers. --
>Anonymous, 05:15:10 09/07/02 Sat
>
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>Child pageants; good & bad -- Anonymous, 13:10:24
>09/02/02 Mon
>
>As I have read some of the meesages on this board
>pertaining to child pageants and the "so called"
>reporter who is out there to "bring light" to the rest
>of the world about how pageants are bad for children,
>how she researched her material, how it is cult-like,
>how there are certian "good" pageants, how the GG's
>are "bad" people, I have to wonder at her
>motives.........She writes this article bashing
>pageants, children, and adults, saying that we bash
>people, etc., but yet what is she doing? I have read
>the article this person wrote, and she obviously did
>not research her material as well as she would have
>you believe. Who is she to accuse the pageant world of
>"bashing" but yet it is the exact same thing that she
>is doing??!! True, sometimes pageant parents do get
>out of hand, as do some pageants, but there is also a
>good side to pageants which reporters do not seem to
>recognize. I am not trying to start another bash-fest
>or whatever, but as it is stated in the
>Bible............."Let he who is without blame cast
>the fisrt stone"..........both sides need to think
>before they speak.
>
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>The real reason boards are being cleared and washed.
>-- Anonymous, 06:56:58 08/29/02 Thu
>
>Pageant people, especially those making money off of
>pageants, decide which laws of our land that they want
>to follow and then teach their children to ignore the
>laws they do not like, i.e. the Cosmotology Laws in
>place in every state. Pageant people ignore and abuse
>those laws.
>
>Pageant directors and vendors do not want the truth
>about crooks, theives and opportunists that are using
>the pageant industry to make a big living. They do not
>want that exposed on the internet boards because it
>may lose them some big income. They want people to
>learn the hard way, and find out about the crooks
>AFTER they have invested their child's college fund
>and lost it or mortgaged their house and got in
>financial trouble. Let's face it, to keep up in
>pageants these days, at least the ones that are highly
>promoted on the boards, would cost an average family
>over half of their income. There are people on the
>boards who want others to realize what they are
>getting into and make them think before they get in
>over their heads. But if they are not told the truth
>or are too dumb to understand, they are in far too
>deep and lose their butts before they realize they
>have been used. That is what the washing of the boards
>and the intimidation posters are trying to do, they
>want to hide the truth from those who are about to
>spend their life savings on pageants.
>
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>Pageant moms act like brainless clones. -- Anonymous,
>15:15:15 08/28/02 Wed
>
>I think the problem here is that pageant moms do not
>think rationally. Unfortunately pageants become an
>obsession and they become grossly blinded by the quest
>for the crown to even realize what they are doing to
>their own children. It is very sad. I am a "pageant
>mom" to some. I have children who "compete" in
>pageants. When we started I was able to look at what
>the older competitors were doing at some pageants and
>KNOW that it is just wrong. I knew right off that I
>could never subject my young children to adult makeup,
>teased hair, gaudy, glitzy adult style clothing....or
>pro-am. I know other moms who started the same
>way...but got caught up and became willing to
>compromise their child for the almighty crown. Their
>vision gets clouded and I truly believe they do not
>even know what they are doing anymore when it happens.
>YES I will agree that it is wrong for any man to find
>a child "sexual"...but ladies, that is not the REAL
>issue here. The fact is...there are men out there that
>are like this. More than we like to admit at times.
>The best word for them is "predator". As a parent it
>is our job to protect our children from such
>predators. Dressing children like miniature adults, in
>crop tops and tight pants and pull away skirts in full
>makeup and hair...is just making them a target for
>such predators. So why as a parent would you continue?
>Sure...there are a lot of moms out there who swear by
>and by that their children just LOVE pageants. And
>some do...but they would also enjoy simpler, non
>glitzy pageants that don't make a young child look
>several tims their age. There are also those children
>out there who don't really LOVE it all that much, but
>they continue to play the game because it makes their
>mother oh-so-happy. Ladies, as a fellow pageant mom
>who has kept her head....let me just say that you can
>justify it all you want....it doesn't make it right.
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Sun, 15 September 2002
In Afghanistan, a job half done
DESPITE ALL the current focus on Iraq and the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, crisis may be returning to Afghanistan - and the United States needs to do something about it fast.While the Karzai government is a vast improvement over its Taliban predecessors and communist stooges running the country two decades ago, it has only a tenuous grip on power. (AFP Photo)...
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In Afghanistan, a job half done
DESPITE ALL the current focus on Iraq and the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, crisis may be returning to Afghanistan - and the United States needs to do something about it fast.While the Karzai government is a vast improvement over its Taliban predecessors and communist stooges running the country two decades ago, it has only a tenuous grip on power. (AFP Photo)...
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In Afghanistan, a job half done
DESPITE ALL the current focus on Iraq and the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, crisis may be returning to Afghanistan - and the United States needs to do something about it fast.While the Karzai government is a vast improvement over its Taliban predecessors and communist stooges running the country two decades ago, it has only a tenuous grip on power. (AFP Photo)...
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In Afghanistan, a job half done
DESPITE ALL the current focus on Iraq and the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, crisis may be returning to Afghanistan - and the United States needs to do something about it fast.While the Karzai government is a vast improvement over its Taliban predecessors and communist stooges running the country two decades ago, it has only a tenuous grip on power. (AFP Photo)...
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Read this is you are even THINKING about going to any FF pageant. -- Anonymous, 09:35:12 09/07/02 Sat
Subject: LETS MAKE A LIST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT T/M "RUN"
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Date Posted: 06:49:14 09/07/02 Sat
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TROY AND MICHAEL RUN ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES EITHER HANDS ON OR THROUGH A 2ND PARTY.
2 PAGEANTS
GLAMOUR DOLLS
FABULOUS FACES
HAIR AND MAKEUP
PHOTOGRAPHY
CLOTHING THROUGH
CHRISTINA'S (TINA MARSHALL)
SWIMSUITS THROUGH
SANDI HENRY
FALLS AND HAIRPIECES
TANNING THROUGH
LORI FRANKLIN
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ho ho ho he he he - NOW WE KNOW WHY THOSE MOM'S HAVE LESS THAN PRETTY KIDS WHO WIN PAGEANTS. THAT EXPLAINS HOW SOME OF THEM WON FF AND GD.....NOW I SEE, HA HA HA HA HA (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:16:03 09/07/02 Sat
Let's list all Michael Butlers businesses: Hair and makeup, photography, don't forget coaching with or without Shane, also designed clothes, not to mention "running or should I say owning" pageants from behind the scene! This came from S & M OWN mouth. I am a former client they assured me my kid would win if I went because someone was having the pageant for them. YOu know it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out besides Butler who is always on here bashing..let's see, have daughters always beat by Hannah.... (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:53:21 09/07/02 Sat
MOST ALL THE PROBLEMS IN PAGEANTS HAVE BEEN CREATED BY THESE FOUR 'GUYS'. Now what we have here are 4 men who have egos bigger than well......anyway, lol, they think they are something. They are haughty and arrogrant if anyone dares to try to make waves in their all consuming businesses. If these guys are all tied up with the FF and MDD pageant systems, THE BEST THING TO DO IS NOT SUPPORT EITHER ONE OF THEM. We all know that t/m's suck ups will be at theirs and those that Butler control will be at MDD, now why would any other dumb smuck want to go and pay for their kids and clients to win. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:08:31 09/07/02 Sat
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE KIDS OWNED BY THESE ABOVE LISTED BUSINESS PARTNERS HAVE WON BIG TITLES AND BOTH FF AND GD. NOW IF THAT ISN'T CLEAR TO YOU DUMMIES, NOTHING ELSE IS. THAT IS THE BIGGEST COI IN PAGEANTS. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM FF AND GD ARE. NOTHING IF YOU GOT A BRAIN. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:12:44 09/07/02 Sat
Re: I HAVE TO AGREE ON ALOT OF THAT. DH AND JM ARE NOT AT ALL PRETTY AND YET THEY HAVE MANAGED TO WIN BIG GRANDS AT THE PAGEANTS T/M HAVE IN THEIR POCKETS. HANNA D LOOKS GOOD ON STAGE AFTER ALL THE THICK PANCAKE MAKEUP FAKE LASHES AND PAINTES ON FEATURES BUT CLOSE UP WITHOUT ALL THE MAKEUP THE CHILD IS DOWNRIGHT HOMELY. I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT BUT ITS TRUE. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:20:51 09/07/02 Sat
This is the way it is. These kids that are up the rears of T/M can't win any other way. Also, they ONLY win at pageants where the gurus control. They go back to the same ones every year and get their wins. NONE of their business partners clients can venture to any other pageant and do any good. Few of their clients can go elsewhere and win either. imho (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:29:29 09/07/02 Sat
Subject: ANY PREDICTIONS FOR NE FABULOUS FACES?
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Date Posted: 06:12:45 09/07/02 Sat
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ALOT OF KIDS MADE UP TO LOOK LIKE DRAG QUEENS WHO HAVE MAMAS WHO ARE WILLING TO SUCK GURU BUTT TO GET THEM SHABBY WINS THAT NOONE RESPECTS. LOL (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:16:51 09/07/02 Sat
Re: I thought they wanted more natural looks for this pageant? (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:43:10 09/07/02 Sat
They tell you that but it is BULLSHIT. All the winners are big pros faked up just like they are at GD. WHAT about the fact they judge their own pageant don't you understand? It is all about their clients and ALL their clients are made up heavy and have all the fake hair, etc. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:14:54 09/07/02 Sat
Re: Can anyone please make real predictions on this pageant and not just vent against T/M! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:24:10 09/07/02 Sat
IF THEY WERE NOT SUCH JERKS, IT WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING. HERE IS A PREDICTION FOR YOU....ALL THE WINNERS WILL BE THEIR BUSINESS PARTNERS KIDS, BEST FRIENDS KIDS, CLIENTS KIDS AND THE PEOPLE HAVE MONEY THAT THEY WANT TO BE THEIR CLIENTS WILL ALLLLLLL WIN. IT IS ALWAYS THAT WAY. THEY JUDGE THEIR OWN PAGEANT, THAT SAYS IT ALL. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:25:40 09/07/02 Sat
Subject: Mystical Dreams vs. FF
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Date Posted: 07:30:05 09/07/02 Sat
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Has anybody bothered to call Toni O. yet and tell her what she's getting herself into with this MD director? The director got Toni hook, line&sinker by giving Toni's kid a grand supreme in one of her many photo contests to ensure that Toni would come...also gave grand supreme entries to some of Toni's other kids, including CF to make sure the kid didn't even go back and crown at FF and came to her pageant instead. The woman has a ran a heavy line of crock by Toni telling Toni she already has 30 paid entries in her hand and that is she is giving the money no matter what and Toni has fallen for it......has anybody bothered to tell Toni how involved Michael Butler is in this thing and that once Linda gets Toni and her kids there and she gets their money, they are ALL getting screwed???
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Well, people WARNED THO about getting involved with FF last year and their her kid and her favorties clients got screwed. She did not listen about T and M, even tho she KNEW what they were capable of. I doubt she will listen about this either. FF is far more political because t/m control more judges and people than BUTLER, imo. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:10:46 09/07/02 Sat
At least the winners Toni did have at FF last year GOT their $. No way will this lady pay this $. Her entire pageant was planned with Michael Butler to hurt FF. She has given every single one of Toni's major clients a free entry to this pageant, and many more free entries as well, and claiming she has 30 paid entries in hand. I just hate to see all these kids get screwed. The woman will never be able to pay her money. Would love to see some initials of these supposed 30 "paid" entries she has! (NT) --
Subject: On a post below, a poster tells about the fall business that Lopez started.
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Date Posted: 06:20:16 09/07/02 Sat
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They posted that Troy and Michael put up a banner on the Bravo making fun of Farrah's Falls. I think that is the dirtiest thing I have ever heard of. They were big buddies and Farah's mom was SOOOOOOOO into them. The posts says that they were made because she started that business. The NOW have a fall business and the poster said they were so greedy they wanted that too, along with their other 6 or 7 spin off COI businesses. They have got to be the most selfish people I have heard of. They want it all. I wish I could have seen the banner they put up making fun of her fall business. But that is the way they are. They can't stand for anyone to have ANYTHING but them. What did the banner say? I would like to hear more about this, it is one of the tackier things they have done, besides bashing kids on the internet because they were mad at their parents.
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Re: It is not F. Lopez. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:26:30 09/07/02 Sat
THEN WHO IS F'S MOM. THEY ALSO HAD A FALLING OUT WITH FL AND HER MOM OVER SOMETHING. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:41:43 09/07/02 Sat
Re: Lopez switched to Toni O for h/m. that was what got them hating on her. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:44:22 09/07/02 Sat
HERE IS THE POST BELOW>>>> T/M do not give a damn if she awards the money or not. What they do care about is loosing 50 or more contestants in their own pageants. Don't you get they do not care about YOU or your kid, all they care about is their wallet ! Remember when F's mom started selling falls and they had a banner made ridiculing her ? I was so shocked. With 2 pageants and a photography business, you'd think they could leave the hair fall business to someone else but noooooooo !! (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:26:34 09/07/02 Sat
Subject: MDD vs FF
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Date Posted: 06:55:05 09/06/02 Fri
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Well I intended to go to FF in the beginning but I've definitely changed my mind.
T&M have been bashing in every single possible way since MDD started - not only did they call the director and THREATENED her, but they bashed H/M coming, kids coming, gosh they even bashed the HOTEL price !!
How can adults go that low ? And the worse is they must think we are so damn stupid and no see through them.
So... we're headed to MDD instead. Butler is supposed to "run the show". He was supposed to run quite a number of pageants this year (including some he didnt even come to). He was supposed to run ED last year - but guess who won a Supreme and 8 door titles ? It wasn't LB ! LOL.
I just wish all of the directors would stop taking us for fools and let us make our own decisions. T/M sure showed their true faces these past few months and I for one am NOT liking them.
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T/M are egotistical, nasty, and twofaced creeps. They bash anyone and everyone that is not tied in with them and their systems. They have been into wars with every other big name h/m person and are in wars with parents that leave them for someone better. They showed their true colors years ago when the bashed kids all over the internet and spit in the face of the woman holding her child. The reason they spit on her was because she had the guts to call their pageant systems what they are which is hi-priced POLITICAL TRASH.. imho (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:15:31 09/06/02 Fri
Amen Sister !!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:49:30 09/06/02 Fri
Please go to MDD........I don't think I can be in the same room much less hotel with people who are sooooooo worried over a CHILDRENS beauty pageant!! Please go,go, go to MDD and shut the HELL up!!!!!!! I will got to faces and bring back hopefully one of those gorgeous crowns!!!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:55:09 09/06/02 Fri
Please go to MDD........I don't think I can be in the same room much less hotel with people who are sooooooo worried over a CHILDRENS beauty pageant!! Please go,go, go to MDD and shut the HELL up!!!!!!! I will got to faces and bring back hopefully one of those gorgeous crowns!!!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:55:10 09/06/02 Fri
LOL if you're not "worried" then what are you doing here ? Pot calling the kettle black much !! (NT) -- Anonymous, 09:04:07 09/06/02 Fri
THEN YOU BETTER HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT STINKY GURU SH** ALL OVER YOUR NOSE AND FACE. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN FF AND NO CROWN IS WORTH THE KIND OF STINKY THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO WIN AN FF PAGEANT. PARTICULARLY WHEN THE DAMN DIRECTOR YOU SUCK BUTT WITH JUDGES THEIR OWN PAGEANT. ROTFLMAO (NT) -- Anonymous, 09:34:36 09/06/02 Fri
If you know all, please tell who is going to win in the 0-4 at faces. (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:12:21 09/06/02 Fri
Let me add that I know it is a 0-5 grand, but give me winners in each age group as well as the 0-5 grand. Convince me BABY! (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:20:00 09/06/02 Fri
You'll have to call TM they have the winners list at their house. If you BABY them enough maybe they'll share it with you BABY. (NT) -- Anonymous, 13:16:40 09/06/02 Fri
You have to promise to become a big client of their and let them rule you and your child, tell you where to go and tell you what to spend. THEN they will give you a crown in return. That is how you win FF or GD, SUCK BABY SUCK. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:06:55 09/07/02 Sat
Subject: Here is some truthfulness about the guru directors who are so worried about their pageant. If they were not worried, they would not have called their soldiers out to post for them on any board where they are being exposed.
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Date Posted: 16:39:30 09/06/02 Fri
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They start out with all the sugarcoated lies then they move on to snare the big money from anyone who is willing to pay. After you pay in several thousand dollars, you begin to see that that money is going for their child and their wins. If you happen to compete in the same supreme group, you start noticing a tearing down of your child in suttle ways. This happens if they are scared your child might win out. They make fun of them in underhanded tacky ways and someone who has a brain begins to see the method they use. They try to brainwash you that THEIR child is better than everyone else and that you have to come in second place or suffer the consequences. I guess some people who don't have a child in their age group or supreme group might last longer than those who do. It also depends on how much money you got and how long they can suck you dry and you not figure it out. A year would be about right because that is about 4 or 5 pageants and that is where the true colors start showing after seeing their displays or arrogance and spitefulness.
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This post describes (NT) -- Anonymous, 05:59:22 09/07/02 Sat
Re: This post describes T AND M like it was written for them. rotflmao, cuz I am sure it was. LOL LOL LOL LOL (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:00:08 09/07/02 Sat
Subject: This post is from a click in below in another post. You have the LB mixed up with the HD kid. Neither one is anything but a plain looking kid until their daddies put tons of makeup and false hair all over their head. Six of one and half dozen of the other. But I agree with your point that a crown means nothing if it is a fixed win. But some parents don't care. They just want a crown so they can blast this made up little kids photo all over BRAVO bragging about NOTHING.
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Date Posted: 05:55:43 09/07/02 Sat
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I TOTALLY AGREE. PAGEANTS ARE NOW RUINED WITH THE CHAOS AND THE LIKES OF PEOPLE LIKE THIS. WHO THE HELL CARES TO WIN A PAGEANT IF IT'S ALREADY FIXED? WHAT DOES THAT CROWN STAND FOR? IT STANDS FOR MY MOMMY PAID LOTS OF MONEY FOR THAT PIECE OF METAL. WHAT DO THE CHILDREN GET FROM THAT? WILL WINNING THIS CERTAIN PAGEANT HELP THIS CHILD IN ANYWAY TO HELP HER BECOME A BETTER PERSON IN LIFE OR ADVANCE HER MODELING? ALL THIS BICKERING, BITCHING, AND BASHING, LIEING, CHEATING, AND STEALING HAS MADE PAGEANTS LOOK VERY BAD AND PEOPLE WHO COULD CARE LESS WHAT T/M THINK OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER WILL NOT BUY INTO IT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE HELL T/M ARE. ARE THEY THE GAY GUYS WITH LESLIE BUTLER WHO HAS MESSED UP TEETH, BUT STILL WINS BEAUTY PAGEANTS? I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE OF A SHOW ON HBO. BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT. I DO LIKE READING THIS BOARD. IT'S ACTUALLY FUNNY THAT ADULTS REALLY ACT THIS WAY. I JUST HOPE THEY DON'T ACT OR TALK THIS WAY AROUND THE CHILDREN. REMEMBER THEM?
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Subject: Some thoughts posted to the guru guys. This was on another board. It is unbelievable how a useless crown can make people become brainless cult followers.
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Date Posted: 16:47:11 09/06/02 Fri
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I have a prediction to make for you. Within one year you will be scratching your ass to get money to pay for all the wonderful things you desire.You are a CANCER that has ate away at most of the pageants especially in the south. I know a lot of directors that wish the had never seen either one of you. You have done everything you can do to make them completly unfair. You were the first to not give scoresheets, and the rest followed in just a few years. You are the first to create circut judges. Before directors got their own judges. You created circut judges because you knew them all. They started with you. You started all this digital photos, because you cant shoot a decent photo without it being digital. You have cheated, in everyway possible and made pageants a mockery in everyway. No wonder most of the public think pageants are for the insane. I a time when pageants need to put their best foot forward you offer a satans cloven hoof to show the world. ALL YOU DIRECTORS that wonder what is happening to pageants only have to look at the past six years to see what is wrong. We used to have fine upstanding directors that cared what people did at their pageants because it might tarnish their image of being wholesome for children, but now we have the dredge of society runing most of our pageants and they dont care what anyone thinks as long as the money pours in. They think they are too big to be touched. Some day some of the parents of these children will open their eyes and do something to save whats left of the pageant world and bring some honor to holding a title. Theres nothing to be proud of now when you win, even if by chance you won honestly. You can blame a lot of people on these boards and lord knows there are plenty. You would like to convince everyone of your potential clients that just a few people are complaining, let me tell you that there is no way just a few people could do this amount of complaining and everyone knows that. You see, every year you add more and more enemys and pretty soon you have enough to tell the world about all your lies. You have caused a lot of people to go out of business and told them you would do so when they crossed you. You have caused a lot more to quit pageants because they weren't strong enough to fight you and win. Some day all these people might get together and be your worst nightmare. Wouldn't that be a hoot? Anyway CANCER is what you are because you have ate the heart out of pageants.
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They want to rule everyone. The threaten their clients with not doing their h/m again if they don't go where they tell them.. Many of their clients have told the freakos to GO TO HELL. They will go where they want to. Then the mean ass freakos go around calling those people's kids UGLY. They are trash of the pageant world. imho (NT) -- Anonymous, 17:00:36 09/06/02 Fri
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME OF T/M'S BRAINLESS SOLDIERS ON THIS BOARD TRYING TO RUN DAMAGE CONTROL. rotflmao (NT) -- Anonymous, 17:03:47 09/06/02 Fri
Re: WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME OF T/M'S BRAINLESS SOLDIERS ON THIS BOARD TRYING TO RUN DAMAGE CONTROL. rotflmao (NT) -- Anonymous, 17:12:09 09/06/02 Fri
Re: Some thoughts posted to the guru guys. This was on another board. It is unbelievable how a useless crown can make people become brainless cult followers. -- Anonymous, 05:15:10 09/07/02 Sat
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Child pageants; good & bad -- Anonymous, 13:10:24 09/02/02 Mon
As I have read some of the meesages on this board pertaining to child pageants and the "so called" reporter who is out there to "bring light" to the rest of the world about how pageants are bad for children, how she researched her material, how it is cult-like, how there are certian "good" pageants, how the GG's are "bad" people, I have to wonder at her motives.........She writes this article bashing pageants, children, and adults, saying that we bash people, etc., but yet what is she doing? I have read the article this person wrote, and she obviously did not research her material as well as she would have you believe. Who is she to accuse the pageant world of "bashing" but yet it is the exact same thing that she is doing??!! True, sometimes pageant parents do get out of hand, as do some pageants, but there is also a good side to pageants which reporters do not seem to recognize. I am not trying to start another bash-fest or whatever, but as it is stated in the Bible............."Let he who is without blame cast the fisrt stone"..........both sides need to think before they speak.
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The real reason boards are being cleared and washed. -- Anonymous, 06:56:58 08/29/02 Thu
Pageant people, especially those making money off of pageants, decide which laws of our land that they want to follow and then teach their children to ignore the laws they do not like, i.e. the Cosmotology Laws in place in every state. Pageant people ignore and abuse those laws.
Pageant directors and vendors do not want the truth about crooks, theives and opportunists that are using the pageant industry to make a big living. They do not want that exposed on the internet boards because it may lose them some big income. They want people to learn the hard way, and find out about the crooks AFTER they have invested their child's college fund and lost it or mortgaged their house and got in financial trouble. Let's face it, to keep up in pageants these days, at least the ones that are highly promoted on the boards, would cost an average family over half of their income. There are people on the boards who want others to realize what they are getting into and make them think before they get in over their heads. But if they are not told the truth or are too dumb to understand, they are in far too deep and lose their butts before they realize they have been used. That is what the washing of the boards and the intimidation posters are trying to do, they want to hide the truth from those who are about to spend their life savings on pageants.
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Pageant moms act like brainless clones. -- Anonymous, 15:15:15 08/28/02 Wed
I think the problem here is that pageant moms do not think rationally. Unfortunately pageants become an obsession and they become grossly blinded by the quest for the crown to even realize what they are doing to their own children. It is very sad. I am a "pageant mom" to some. I have children who "compete" in pageants. When we started I was able to look at what the older competitors were doing at some pageants and KNOW that it is just wrong. I knew right off that I could never subject my young children to adult makeup, teased hair, gaudy, glitzy adult style clothing....or pro-am. I know other moms who started the same way...but got caught up and became willing to compromise their child for the almighty crown. Their vision gets clouded and I truly believe they do not even know what they are doing anymore when it happens. YES I will agree that it is wrong for any man to find a child "sexual"...but ladies, that is not the REAL issue here. The fact is...there are men out there that are like this. More than we like to admit at times. The best word for them is "predator". As a parent it is our job to protect our children from such predators. Dressing children like miniature adults, in crop tops and tight pants and pull away skirts in full makeup and hair...is just making them a target for such predators. So why as a parent would you continue? Sure...there are a lot of moms out there who swear by and by that their children just LOVE pageants. And some do...but they would also enjoy simpler, non glitzy pageants that don't make a young child look several tims their age. There are also those children out there who don't really LOVE it all that much, but they continue to play the game because it makes their mother oh-so-happy. Ladies, as a fellow pageant mom who has kept her head....let me just say that you can justify it all you want....it doesn't make it right.
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Need beautiful children for National CALENDAR! -- Anonymous, 07:38:44 08/26/02 Mon
Most parents are reluctant to enter online photo contests. I was, until one day I did and my daughter Regan won a calendar contest and was awarded $1000. She was 11 months old at the time and it was the first deposit into her college fund! I was so grateful that I'd paid to enter her 5 photos.
We are searching for GREAT photos to be included in our 2003 Bonnie Babies Calendar. DO YOU HAVE GREAT PHOTOS OF YOUR CHILD? Please consider entering. I can't award every entrant a cash prize ... but one LUCKY winner will receive our GRAND PRIZE of $1000 in CASH!
Wouldn't you like to have your husband and child be selected for June 2003. What a great Father's Day gift!! Mother & child for May, Grandparent(s) & child for September in addition to traditional holiday categories!
Cost is $2 per photo. We throw away $2 on lots of things ... shouldn't we scrape together a few bucks for something as precious as our child appearing in a national baby calendar?
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PAGEANT NEWS LOL -- Anonymous, 12:47:21 08/06/02 Tue
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by freelancer3
Please read the article at this address - this reporter also used names and apparently they were not already posted on a website (i.e. Message Boards)
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.minorcon.org/pageants.html">http://www.minorcon.org/pageants.html</a> Aug 05 '02
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Re: WHAT A LAUGH .,. This is so FAKE ! (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
The replies to my opinion confirm the problem in pageantry today. Hatefulness is rampant. As anyone can see from the opinions posted in response to mine, the pageant community is rife with ignorance. Their replies are accusatory (as one can see from the posts I copied and pasted from the message boards) as well as the accusations made by pageant supporters replying to my opinion. To state that pageantry is fraught with intimidation and contempt is an understatement. My report exposing the dark side of the pageant community has once again prompted the beast in pageantry to rear its ugly head. All one has to do is opine on the dark side of pageantry and this dysfunctional community is compelled to put down, accuse, and, in general, show their immature and quite disturbing behavior. My conclusion is that my report has indeed exposed pageant supporters for what they are. My opinion remains the same since compiling the information I used in my report. Pageants are inappropriate, unacceptable, and a danger to little children. Pageants teach our little girls all the wrong things: that beauty is the only thing you have to make you whole; that you are treated much better when you are beautiful and win; that you will be rewarded for being beautiful and sexy; that it is acceptable to be hateful and mean-spirited; and that logic and common sense have nothing to do with pageants. While their attack is offensive it is also very telling. As I stated in my report, accusations are the mainstay of this community, with no regard to the truth. In closing, I will reiterate once again that all information I utilized was available on the internet, on message boards, and posted by the pageant community. One last thing, my name is not Lisa and I am not a pageant Mom. Aug 01 '02
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Re: Re: My question for you.... (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
All of the information I reported was taken directly from the message boards. I explained this in my first opinion. I further explained that the names copied and pasted here were on the board postings. I chose to monitor two of the 249 pageant related boards on voy. These two were boards that were known to be hostile. I did not make up the posts that were copied and pasted as an example and made part of my report. Rather, this hostile environment was solely the responsibility of the posters on those boards. I will tell you that there were many more hateful and inappropriate posts that I chose not to use in my example (the few I chose seemed bad enough). You have taken the time to post on many message boards your rude opinion of my report over the past few days. Now you are here sharing your opinion. Professionally, I would have to assume that you are having a real problem with facing the negativity that is rampant within today's pageant community. I will not take any responsibility for the conduct of pageant families. In closing, I will reiterate that ALL THE INFORMATION I GATHERED CAME FROM THE PAGEANT COMMUNITY - as you can see if you re-read the entire opinion. You should note while reading that there are many people cited in this report - taken from the message boards. An internet Message Board reaches a vast number of people, even outside of the US. Once the post is made it is viewable by anyone, and available to be printed, copied, and pasted. I chose to do my research gathering using the Message Boards to garner information. My apologies that you are consumed with this report. Perhaps you should look to another sport or activity if you have children, as it appears that pageants are not an appropriate vehicle to subject children too. Pageants today cannot be defended when these types of posts on Message Boards are rampant. Jul 31 '02
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Re: Re: :) (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
This is not a BOARD and these are not POSTS. You have been in the Message Board realm for too long. What we have here is research done accessing the numerous Message Boards available on the internet. The names cited in my writings originated on the Message Boards. To condemn my research and opinion shows a lack of understanding on the part of the community you obviously are associated with. My reports in no way endanger the children involved in pageantry. On the contrary, the guilty parties here are parents, directors, and peripheral actors involved who contribute to these problems with pageants. It is commonly known that the majority sees pageants involving babies, toddlers, and young school girls and boys today as a detriment to a healthy and well rounded lifestyle. I did not post the hateful messages on these posts, I merely reported what had already been posted by steadfast members of the pageant community. I might suggest you delve further into this activity with your child(ren)in lieu of transferring your anger toward this reporter. It could enlighten you. Jul 30 '02
3:52 pm PST
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by freelancer3
The postings on message boards used peoples names including children and their ages. To say this is a one sided view negates the obvious - that this view was garnered from postings on Message Boards, by the pageant community. This is the ugly side of pageantry that the pageant community itself has presented. Interviews that were conducted with sources confirmed the serious problems affecting pageants today. Especially in this day and age when children are being kidnapped, raped and murdered almost weekly we should all be concerned with the information made available on the internet. There were numerous postings showing the ugly side of pageantry; the choice was to utilize a distinct few to show how the pageant community reacts and what their agenda is. This research was not fabricated - the pageant community offered the information. Jul 30 '02
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Re: :) (Reply to this comment)
by ucme
You are looking at this one sided. First of all I would like to know where the additional research is regarding the charities? What about Queen for a day that helps terminally ill children in hospitals? What about the money raised for the small child who was paralyzed due to an accident? What about he fun set up for the child with cancer. These happened because of pageants and pageant children.
I am shocked and amazed that someone would commit such a vengeful act and put these poor people's names on this board. This puts these families and children in danger.
Pageants are unusual and people won't get them unless they go. Believe it or not there are some children who love this. In the HBO documentary who will the media flock to? A normal pageant mom who adores her child and would never dream of making them do something they didn't want to do or the crazy mom who works her child from sun up to sundown? Doesn't take to much common sense to figure that one out. In addition, you find crazy and mean spirited parents in any sports. Look at the TX Cheerleader case. Look at the soccer dad and the coach case. They are everywhere. If you are doing it for fun then you are in it for the right reason. Looks like several of the moms above where pleading for people to stop and act their age. Next time you post freelancer think of the families you are hurting. Think of the children you are endangering. Think of the people you will scare to death for putting their poor child's name on a board like this. Think of those who will now have to tell their child who loves pageants so much they have to quit forever. Jul 29 '02
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Re: ONLINE PAGEANT MESSAGE BOARDS AND ANONYMITY (Reply to this comment)
by jjr2000
Hello. My daughter is 2 years old and she competes in pageants. She loves it. We have put her in the glitzy Cover Miss pageant-and it was wonderful. Everyone was really nice and sweet and we have put her in Cinderella. Needless to say we will NEVER do Cinderella Texas State Pageant ever again, but we do it for fun. We had a bad experience with Cinderella State this year, but you learn to separate the good ones, from the bad one, that is just life in pageantry. Pageants are what you make of them. They have definately helped my daughter to come out of her shell in the past year. And if and when that day comes and she does not want ot compete anymore, I will support her. But for now, she will continue to do them, she loves putting on her princess dresses for the audience. People, what happened to the little Ramsey girl is really sad, and my prayers go out to their family, but don't let what happened to that little girl give pageants a bad name. they are really what you make of them. We go to have fun and with that we usually do good. god bless everyone and good luck to all still having state and national pageants!! Jun 18 '02
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Re: ONLINE PAGEANT MESSAGE BOARDS AND ANONYMITY (Reply to this comment)
by goerzen
I have read this article pertaining to the message boards and do agree that some of the people posting to these boards are quite inappropriate. As far as the boards go I do not go to message boards which promote bashing. However, I would like to respond to the comments made by your journalist about Ms. Gosney. First of all I feel that your article was quite one-sided in regards to Ms. Gosney. My daughter is one of her students and she has NEVER forced me to purchase clothing, shoes, or anything else from her. She also has NEVER forced us to do any particular pageant. I do not know who your sources were for this article but it could not have been anyone who has known Ms. Gosney for any length of time. Sounds to me like your sources were some of the people who already have it out for Ms. Gosney. She is a very caring person and loves each one of her "pageant kids" the same. She never has an unkind word to say about anyone. She does not solicit students for coaching- all of her referrals are word of mouth. If she were half of the things you printed in your article she wouldn't have any students. I am saddened by the hateful things you printed in this article and know that had you done your research well these things would never have been printed. Maybe in the future when you do an article you will get opinions from all sides instead of one-sided opinions like you have printed in this particular article. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Laura L. Goerzen
KS May 28 '02
11:57 am PST
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ONLINE PAGEANT MESSAGE BOARDS AND ANONYMITY (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
I have been researching Children¡¦s Beauty Pageants, particularly in the South, over the past few months. During the course of my research I interviewed Pageant Mom¡¦s to gain insight into the Pageant systems. My research took me to the Main Source for information -MESSAGE BOARDS- on the internet. This has proven to be an invaluable source of inside information pertaining to Texas pageantry. Likewise, it has exposed the ¡§dark side¡¨ of Pageantry; hatred, jealousy, racial prejudice, and terror.
Internet Message Boards are websites that encourage and promote ANONYMITY when posting messages. This anonymity allows posters to say ANYTHING they want protected by the mask they wear. Many of these messages and replies are mean-spirited and hateful. Some could be construed as terrorist and threatening, yet FEW, if any, are deleted by the Board Owner, or Forum Administrator, of the message board. The Board Owner is an unknown entity. Anyone can sign up and moderate a board. While there is an email contact through Voy.com, the Board Owners identity is never divulged. In fact, it is implied that it would be criminal to divulge the name of the Board Owner! This prompts the question WHY? What motivation could someone have to be the Moderator of a Message Board on the internet that spews hatefulness and jealousy, even encourages it? In researching this subject, I believe I found the answer.
The message boards I monitored were THE TEXAS PAGEANT BOARD, voy.com/13909/ and THE PMS BOARD, voy.com/79872/, (these boards were deleted for violation of Voy policy; 2 imposter boards were born to replace 13909 and voy.com/79872/!) and are rife with jealousy and hatred, despite what proponents of pageants argue. Banners are photos of the child containing congratulatory announcements. These photos are deceiving to the eye as it may be a 4 year old child dressed as an adult in full make-up and astounding hair do¡¦s complete with falls (full length hair pieces). Many of these photos are disturbing. Many of the older girls, ranging from 6 years old to 10 years old, have photos taken during their Pro Am routine, a modeling and dance combination where the child uses seductive moves and removes pieces of clothing! Part of the routine includes little girls bending over and smacking their behinds! It is difficult to determine the age of the child as their appearance is SO deceiving, though generally these are young girls, ages 7-9! These photo banners are posted on the World Wide Web where anyone, including pedophiles and sex offenders, can pull up that child's photo. Additionally, the childs name, age, and what pageant they will be at NEXT is posted on the board. I shudder to think what harm could come of this if an offender sought that child out! One can only imagine what thoughts these banner photos conjure up to an unsavory visitor!
As I scrolled through the many banners of WINNERS of pageants and read the replies, I was astounded that the simple act of posting a banner of your little child dressed as an adult was applauded by friends and family! Should anyone miss posting a congratulatory message they are bashed from California to New York! Friends and family post a reply under the childs banner. Consequently, the replies posted are redundant and smack of insincerity. At the same time, the banner wars moved into full gear! There is an ongoing war instigated by one particular group, the Gosney Girls (named after their coach, Susan Gosney) to get their banners to the top as fast and as often as possible, in spite of everyone elses viewing enjoyment! This particular group, known as the GGs, seem particularly vindictive and hateful when it comes to people outside their group. This group consists of a number of little girls and some boys coached by a former Pageant Mom with no expertise. This tight group of pageant Moms are willing to go the extra mile to insure that THEIR child, (a GG) is always on top! Their posts and replies are most often sarcastic and intimidating. In an effort to keep their group in the forefront, they Bash everyone not associated with them. This Bashing is done with the full approval of the coach. While Message Boards generally contain a cautionary statement at the top of the page discouraging and prohibiting BASHING, this is prevalent regardless. (*NOTE: The names referenced here have already been posted on the Internet on the NEW TEXAS PAGEANT BOARD and the New PMS Message Board as well as on deleted boards. See excerpts from those boards below)
The GG group has a website, a message board, and a WHOO HOO Board of their own all owned by a Pageant Mom near Dallas, (yes, her daughters are GGs!) yet seldom do they post their banners and messages there. They prefer to take over a popular board, as they did with THE TEXAS PAGEANT BOARD, and control it. Obviously there are more visitors to the TEXAS PAGEANT BOARD than the GOSNEY GIRLS MESSAGE BOARD. This would ensure a much larger audience. Their motivation seems to be to push their group down everyone¡¦s throat in spite of the fact that this group is generally despised for the actions and comments. The Mom¡¦s of these GG¡¦s are relentless and accusatory. General opinion is that the GGs are akin to a cult.
In interviews with Mom¡¦s whose child WAS a GG, and a few whose child is currently a GG but they are trying to get out, the opinions expressed were FEAR of retaliation should they leave the group; FEAR of attacks by the group; and FEAR of being ostracized by the group. The total fear the Mom¡¦s have of this retaliation from the GG group and coach was more than evident during the interviews. Clandestine phone conversations reminiscent of Watergate became the mainstay of my information gathering. Suspicion is equally as prevalent. Emails were discouraged by those interviewed as they believed that they could be traced and tracked through an email and feared being bashed on the boards! As a writer, I was astounded that a Pageant group could instill such terror in otherwise normal people. I gained a clearer understanding and appreciation of their fear once I had monitored the Message Boards for a few days!
During my interviews I learned that the coach of the GGs forces the Mom¡¦s to purchase her own brand of Pageant dresses at prices upwards of $1200! She further demands that her GGs NOT compete in certain pageants. Directors have stated that this woman uses extortion to dictate that her group WIN at pageants, even going as far as PAYING some directors for the win and entering a large number of contestants. Directors of long standing Pageant systems have been ruined by this one group. Some have discontinued their Pageants, others are pulling out slowly. She is also paid for doing their HAIR AND MAKE-UP (albeit she is not a licensed cosmetologist!) In addition, the shoes, etc. that the GG child MUST wear are purchased directly from the coach. She charges them for ProAm lessons, even travels different states and accepts fees for training. The fact that she has NO EXPERIENCE or CREDENTIALS is not a concern! This GG coach has her students compete in the Glitz pageants; full regalia of Hair, Make-up, and Dresses. The message board is an excellent source for the GGs to discourage competition and guarantee another win for their group. This one woman has dramatically changed Pageantry in just the past couple of years she has brought it to the lowest level.
Innocent visitors to the message boards are bashed unmercifully for any reason. Full names are posted for the entire world to see! Accusations without any evidence or proof are made daily against those not a part of the GG cult. Understandably, reputations have been ruined through the bashing of innocent people on these boards. Pageant Mom¡¦s that LEAVE the Gosney group are accused and bashed on the message boards. Their FULL NAMES and email addresses are posted and they have been labeled BASHERS. Defenders of the victims are further bashed. Threats of posting the bashers ISP and IP information are real to these innocent victims and viewers. Threats are posted that tracing and tracking software can divulge personal information about a visitor who posts a message and that personal information will be posted as a means to exposing and revealing the basher! One young pageant Mom received an instant message threatening her! Defenders of the GG group use language inappropriate for children and most adults, yet the Board Owner does nothing to delete or remedy this problem. The BASHING of Pageant systems is quite prevalent on the boards. No one is safe from the wrath of this dysfunctional group.
One extremely hateful board recently was shut down by Voy.com. Immediately, NEW boards were popping up and this group was migrating in droves to them to continue their bash fest of innocent people! Ironically, within a just a few days, the naughty deleted board was BACK UP! The posts and replies were exuberant! Yippee, I¡¦m doing the happy dance! Our board is Back! Summarily, the bashing and hatefulness continued without missing a beat!
Pageant systems in Texas used to be a wholesome, natural and normal event despite the overwhelming consensus that pageants are bad for children. Parents were encouraged to enter their child in the hopes of teaching poise, responsibility, stage presence, self-esteem, and confidence. The FULL GLITZ pageant complete with ridiculously expense dresses, atrocious hair do¡¦s with falls, and way too much make-up has replaced the former natural, Sunday best, casual sportswear pageant of years ago. Before the internet and anonymous postings were available, Pageants were a healthy activity for many, much the same as any sport or group children join. I have learned that Pageants in Texas have been dramatically altered to exclude everyday competition. This particular group terrorizes contestants into not entering, then show up at the door on the day of the pageant, enter, and WIN! They have no competition and have stacked the deck with their own! Some Directors have been forced to SELL OUT to this ransom demand in an effort to garner enough entries to make their pageant financially viable. This one group has changed the standard of pageantry to suit themselves and guarantee wins for themselves. What this has accomplished is yet ANOTHER WIN for this Group at the expense of many of the long standing Pageant Systems; i.e. Cinderella, Gingerbread, Stars Over the USA, Halo Productions, All Star Pageants, to name just a few of the better pageant systems. Directors will tell that they have cut back on their pageants, some even have quit, due to the fact that they cannot garner contestants to go up against the Gosney Group. One long standing Director was forced out of the business by this group.
My sojourn into the Message Boards on the Internet has divulged an entirely clear though extremely disturbing picture of the dark side of pageantry in Texas. Following are some excerpts copied and pasted from these boards:
¡P Haven't heard from Tamsyn in a while... Is she planning on doing anymore pageants? -- Has any of her royalty heard from her? Just curious..., 10:09:06 04/16/02 Tue
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LOL LOL LOL -- Anonymous, 16:13:32 08/17/02 Sat
HI, this is T and M here. -- Anonymous, 20:13:10 08/16/02 Fri
WE ARE SUCH ASSHOLES AND SO PROUD OF IT. WE DON'T WANT D AND R TO BE IN PAGEANTS. THEY ARE A THORN IN OUR BUTT AND CAUSE US GRIEF. WE WANT TO MAKE ALL THE MONEY FROM PAGEANTS AND DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO HAVE ANY. WE LOVE TO BASH KIDS OWNED BY SOMEONE WHO DON'T USE US OR FOUND OUT HOW TWO FACED WE ARE AND TOLD SOMEONE. GEE, WE NEED MONEY TO PAY OUR BIG BILLS AND WE WILL TELL YOU ANYTHING TO GET YOUR BUSINESS. WHEN WE ARE THROUGH WITH YOU, WE WILL CALL YOUR KID UGLY AND TRASH YOU ALL OVER THE PLACE. AREN'T WE THE CATS MEOW......
P.S. My kid better win every pageant we enter her in or the director will be in trouble with us.
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This is last straw, you peole don't know us at all. -- Anonymous, 18:05:05 08/15/02 Thu
I am rhonnetta rXCHAXXS
I HAVE TOTALLY HAD IT. I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. YES WE ARE POOR AND EVERYHTING WE USED TO OWN HAS BEEN REPOSSSED. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE INVESTED ALL OUR MONEY INTO PAGEANTS KNOWING THAT WE COULDN'T WIN. WE EVEN TRIED PAYING OFF THE JUDGES BUT THAT DIDN'T WORK. MOST DIRECTORS KNOW ABOUT US AND TURN US DOWN AT THE DOOR. WE COULDVE WON A FEW TIMES BUT THE DIRECTORS MADE SURE THE JUDGES DIDN'T EXCEPT OUR BRIBES AND SO NOW WE JUST BEAT UP COACHES. OLD ONES, LITTLE ONES DEOSN'T MATTER. AND IF ANY KID FROM NOW ON BEATS US WE WILL TAKE THEM OUT TOO.
YES I HAVE TO ADMIT, WE DO DUMPESTER DIVE FOR OUR FOOD AND CLOTHES. YOU WOULD NEVER BELIEVE THAT WE FOUND USED PAGEANT CLOTHES IN THE TRASH. THE GOODWILL FOUNDATION HAS BEEN OUR ONLY HOPE IN FINDING PAGEANT OUTFITS. THEY GIVE US ALL WE NEED IN EXCHANGE FOR WORKING THERE. ME AND MY HUSBAND ARE OUT OF WORK BECAUSE NOBODY WILL HIRE US BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EDUCATION, AND SINCE THE ONLY JOB I HAVE HAD WAS AT A FREAKY LITTLE STRIP CLUB THAT JUST LOVED MY ROUND BODY AND CELLULITE. IT DIDN'T MATTER TO ME CAUSE I WAS GETTIN PAID GOOD. BUT THAT'S OVER NOW. THE OWNER SAID HE COULDN'T TAK ETHE SMELL ANYMORE AND THE CUSTOMERS WERE COMPLAINING OF SORE EYES.SO NOW WE COMPETE OUR CHILD IN PAGEANTS IN HOPES THAT SHE CAN PAY OUR BILLS. MY CAR IS SOOOO OLD AND BROKEN DOWN THAT IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO DRIVE THAT OLD PINTO. WE HAD TO TRADE FOR IT LAST MONTH AND GOT RID OF OUR BELOVED 81 ESCORT WAGON. WE LOVED THAT CAR. AND OUR TRAILOR IS EAT UP WITH ROACHES BUT WE CAN;T AFFORD BUG SPRAYY. CRACKERS AND COOL-AID HAVE BEEN THE STAPLE OF OUR DIETS NOW THAT WE HAVE TO PUT ALL OUR MONEY INTO COACHES THAT DON'T REALLY CARE US.ME AND MY HUSBAND HAVE LOST WEIGHT. GOD KNOWS WE NEEDED IT. I ONLY WEIGH 325 NOW. THATS PRETTY GOOD SINCE I USED TO WEIGH IN AT A WHOPPING 450. THANK GOODNESS FOR THE KIND HEARTS AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR TELLING US WE COULD USE THEIR SHOWER STALLS TO BATHE. BELIEVE ME THE SMELL WAS OVERCOMING BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO IF YOU DON'T HAVE RUNNING WATER IN YOUR TRAILOR. I JUST COULDN'T BRING MYSELF TO USE THOSE MUDHOLES IN MY YARD ANYMORE. MY CHILD LOVED TO PLAY IN THE MUD. OUR LAST H/M DUDE TOLD US THAT MUD WAS GOOD FOR THE COMPLEXTION, SO WE WOLLOWED WITH PRIDE. SOME PAGEANT FOLKS CALL US WHITE TRASH BEHIND OUR BACKS, IT HURTS BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP DOING PAGEANTS SO WE'LL BE POPULAR. THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE US I SWEAR WE TRY NOT TO HAVE THAT DUMPSTER SMELL, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE NEW CLOTHES STRAIT OUTTA THE TRASH.
I WISH WE COULD BE POPULAR LIKE ALL YOU PAGEANT PEOPLE, BUT BECASUE WE HAVE NO MONEY NOW AND CAN'T BUY TITLES ITS HARD TO GET AHEAD. WE WILL BE AT NORTHERN BELLE THIS WEEKEND TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY TO BUYS SOME DESIGNER CLOTHES FROM THE DOLLAR GENERAL SO WISH US LUCK. WE LUCKED OUT AND MADE ENOUGH MONEY TO GO TO NORTHEN BELLE. DATELINE FROM NBC DONE AN EPISODE ABOUT US CALLED, STOOPING TO THE LAST LEVEL TO WIN. THEY PAID OUR ENTRY FEE AND MOTEL BILL. THOSE GENEROUS FOLKS. MAYBE WE'LL GET POPULAR FROM THAT.ANYWAY, BEFORE YOU LOOK DOWN YOUR NOSE AT US WHATEVER THE REASON, THE SMELL ,OUR BLACK OR MISSING TEETH, THE FACT OUR CAR DOESN'T HAVE WINDOWS OR EXHAUST SYSTEM ORWHATEVER THE REASON. JUST REMEMBER WE WILL BE POPULR. MY HUSBAND HAS ALWAYS DREAMS OF SELLING BAIT DOWN BY THE RIVER. I HAVE ALWAYS DREAMED OF TAKING THAT VACATION TO THE ZOO. IT COSTS SO MUCH YOU KNOW.IF WE DON'T WIN AT NORTHERN BELLE THIS WEEKEND SOMEBODY'S ASS IS GONNA GET SHOVED I PROMISE YOU THAT.
PLEASE BE NICE TO US AS WE ARE JUST BEGINNERS IN THESE HERE PAGEANTS. PLEASE JUDGES LOOK OVER OUR KIDS CLOTHES AS THEY ARE NOT THE BEST BUT WE DOING WHAT WE CAN. AND WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO COVER THE ROACH BITES ON HER LEGS. NOT TO MENTION TO OUR H/M MAN, PLEASE DONT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THE MAINGE THING I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT. WE DONT WANT ANYONE TO KNOW.
Here you go!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL
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PAGEANT NEWS LOL -- Anonymous, 12:47:21 08/06/02 Tue
Re: Re: Re: (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
Please read the article at this address - this reporter also used names and apparently they were not already posted on a website (i.e. Message Boards)
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.minorcon.org/pageants.html">http://www.minorcon.org/pageants.html</a> Aug 05 '02
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Re: WHAT A LAUGH .,. This is so FAKE ! (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
The replies to my opinion confirm the problem in pageantry today. Hatefulness is rampant. As anyone can see from the opinions posted in response to mine, the pageant community is rife with ignorance. Their replies are accusatory (as one can see from the posts I copied and pasted from the message boards) as well as the accusations made by pageant supporters replying to my opinion. To state that pageantry is fraught with intimidation and contempt is an understatement. My report exposing the dark side of the pageant community has once again prompted the beast in pageantry to rear its ugly head. All one has to do is opine on the dark side of pageantry and this dysfunctional community is compelled to put down, accuse, and, in general, show their immature and quite disturbing behavior. My conclusion is that my report has indeed exposed pageant supporters for what they are. My opinion remains the same since compiling the information I used in my report. Pageants are inappropriate, unacceptable, and a danger to little children. Pageants teach our little girls all the wrong things: that beauty is the only thing you have to make you whole; that you are treated much better when you are beautiful and win; that you will be rewarded for being beautiful and sexy; that it is acceptable to be hateful and mean-spirited; and that logic and common sense have nothing to do with pageants. While their attack is offensive it is also very telling. As I stated in my report, accusations are the mainstay of this community, with no regard to the truth. In closing, I will reiterate once again that all information I utilized was available on the internet, on message boards, and posted by the pageant community. One last thing, my name is not Lisa and I am not a pageant Mom. Aug 01 '02
10:26 am PST
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Re: Re: My question for you.... (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
All of the information I reported was taken directly from the message boards. I explained this in my first opinion. I further explained that the names copied and pasted here were on the board postings. I chose to monitor two of the 249 pageant related boards on voy. These two were boards that were known to be hostile. I did not make up the posts that were copied and pasted as an example and made part of my report. Rather, this hostile environment was solely the responsibility of the posters on those boards. I will tell you that there were many more hateful and inappropriate posts that I chose not to use in my example (the few I chose seemed bad enough). You have taken the time to post on many message boards your rude opinion of my report over the past few days. Now you are here sharing your opinion. Professionally, I would have to assume that you are having a real problem with facing the negativity that is rampant within today's pageant community. I will not take any responsibility for the conduct of pageant families. In closing, I will reiterate that ALL THE INFORMATION I GATHERED CAME FROM THE PAGEANT COMMUNITY - as you can see if you re-read the entire opinion. You should note while reading that there are many people cited in this report - taken from the message boards. An internet Message Board reaches a vast number of people, even outside of the US. Once the post is made it is viewable by anyone, and available to be printed, copied, and pasted. I chose to do my research gathering using the Message Boards to garner information. My apologies that you are consumed with this report. Perhaps you should look to another sport or activity if you have children, as it appears that pageants are not an appropriate vehicle to subject children too. Pageants today cannot be defended when these types of posts on Message Boards are rampant. Jul 31 '02
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Re: Re: :) (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
This is not a BOARD and these are not POSTS. You have been in the Message Board realm for too long. What we have here is research done accessing the numerous Message Boards available on the internet. The names cited in my writings originated on the Message Boards. To condemn my research and opinion shows a lack of understanding on the part of the community you obviously are associated with. My reports in no way endanger the children involved in pageantry. On the contrary, the guilty parties here are parents, directors, and peripheral actors involved who contribute to these problems with pageants. It is commonly known that the majority sees pageants involving babies, toddlers, and young school girls and boys today as a detriment to a healthy and well rounded lifestyle. I did not post the hateful messages on these posts, I merely reported what had already been posted by steadfast members of the pageant community. I might suggest you delve further into this activity with your child(ren)in lieu of transferring your anger toward this reporter. It could enlighten you. Jul 30 '02
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Re: Re: :) (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
The postings on message boards used peoples names including children and their ages. To say this is a one sided view negates the obvious - that this view was garnered from postings on Message Boards, by the pageant community. This is the ugly side of pageantry that the pageant community itself has presented. Interviews that were conducted with sources confirmed the serious problems affecting pageants today. Especially in this day and age when children are being kidnapped, raped and murdered almost weekly we should all be concerned with the information made available on the internet. There were numerous postings showing the ugly side of pageantry; the choice was to utilize a distinct few to show how the pageant community reacts and what their agenda is. This research was not fabricated - the pageant community offered the information. Jul 30 '02
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Re: :) (Reply to this comment)
by ucme
You are looking at this one sided. First of all I would like to know where the additional research is regarding the charities? What about Queen for a day that helps terminally ill children in hospitals? What about the money raised for the small child who was paralyzed due to an accident? What about he fun set up for the child with cancer. These happened because of pageants and pageant children.
I am shocked and amazed that someone would commit such a vengeful act and put these poor people's names on this board. This puts these families and children in danger.
Pageants are unusual and people won't get them unless they go. Believe it or not there are some children who love this. In the HBO documentary who will the media flock to? A normal pageant mom who adores her child and would never dream of making them do something they didn't want to do or the crazy mom who works her child from sun up to sundown? Doesn't take to much common sense to figure that one out. In addition, you find crazy and mean spirited parents in any sports. Look at the TX Cheerleader case. Look at the soccer dad and the coach case. They are everywhere. If you are doing it for fun then you are in it for the right reason. Looks like several of the moms above where pleading for people to stop and act their age. Next time you post freelancer think of the families you are hurting. Think of the children you are endangering. Think of the people you will scare to death for putting their poor child's name on a board like this. Think of those who will now have to tell their child who loves pageants so much they have to quit forever. Jul 29 '02
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Re: ONLINE PAGEANT MESSAGE BOARDS AND ANONYMITY (Reply to this comment)
by jjr2000
Hello. My daughter is 2 years old and she competes in pageants. She loves it. We have put her in the glitzy Cover Miss pageant-and it was wonderful. Everyone was really nice and sweet and we have put her in Cinderella. Needless to say we will NEVER do Cinderella Texas State Pageant ever again, but we do it for fun. We had a bad experience with Cinderella State this year, but you learn to separate the good ones, from the bad one, that is just life in pageantry. Pageants are what you make of them. They have definately helped my daughter to come out of her shell in the past year. And if and when that day comes and she does not want ot compete anymore, I will support her. But for now, she will continue to do them, she loves putting on her princess dresses for the audience. People, what happened to the little Ramsey girl is really sad, and my prayers go out to their family, but don't let what happened to that little girl give pageants a bad name. they are really what you make of them. We go to have fun and with that we usually do good. god bless everyone and good luck to all still having state and national pageants!! Jun 18 '02
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Re: ONLINE PAGEANT MESSAGE BOARDS AND ANONYMITY (Reply to this comment)
by goerzen
I have read this article pertaining to the message boards and do agree that some of the people posting to these boards are quite inappropriate. As far as the boards go I do not go to message boards which promote bashing. However, I would like to respond to the comments made by your journalist about Ms. Gosney. First of all I feel that your article was quite one-sided in regards to Ms. Gosney. My daughter is one of her students and she has NEVER forced me to purchase clothing, shoes, or anything else from her. She also has NEVER forced us to do any particular pageant. I do not know who your sources were for this article but it could not have been anyone who has known Ms. Gosney for any length of time. Sounds to me like your sources were some of the people who already have it out for Ms. Gosney. She is a very caring person and loves each one of her "pageant kids" the same. She never has an unkind word to say about anyone. She does not solicit students for coaching- all of her referrals are word of mouth. If she were half of the things you printed in your article she wouldn't have any students. I am saddened by the hateful things you printed in this article and know that had you done your research well these things would never have been printed. Maybe in the future when you do an article you will get opinions from all sides instead of one-sided opinions like you have printed in this particular article. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Laura L. Goerzen
KS May 28 '02
11:57 am PST
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ONLINE PAGEANT MESSAGE BOARDS AND ANONYMITY (Reply to this comment)
by freelancer3
I have been researching Children¡¦s Beauty Pageants, particularly in the South, over the past few months. During the course of my research I interviewed Pageant Mom¡¦s to gain insight into the Pageant systems. My research took me to the Main Source for information -MESSAGE BOARDS- on the internet. This has proven to be an invaluable source of inside information pertaining to Texas pageantry. Likewise, it has exposed the ¡§dark side¡¨ of Pageantry; hatred, jealousy, racial prejudice, and terror.
Internet Message Boards are websites that encourage and promote ANONYMITY when posting messages. This anonymity allows posters to say ANYTHING they want protected by the mask they wear. Many of these messages and replies are mean-spirited and hateful. Some could be construed as terrorist and threatening, yet FEW, if any, are deleted by the Board Owner, or Forum Administrator, of the message board. The Board Owner is an unknown entity. Anyone can sign up and moderate a board. While there is an email contact through Voy.com, the Board Owners identity is never divulged. In fact, it is implied that it would be criminal to divulge the name of the Board Owner! This prompts the question WHY? What motivation could someone have to be the Moderator of a Message Board on the internet that spews hatefulness and jealousy, even encourages it? In researching this subject, I believe I found the answer.
The message boards I monitored were THE TEXAS PAGEANT BOARD, voy.com/13909/ and THE PMS BOARD, voy.com/79872/, (these boards were deleted for violation of Voy policy; 2 imposter boards were born to replace 13909 and voy.com/79872/!) and are rife with jealousy and hatred, despite what proponents of pageants argue. Banners are photos of the child containing congratulatory announcements. These photos are deceiving to the eye as it may be a 4 year old child dressed as an adult in full make-up and astounding hair do¡¦s complete with falls (full length hair pieces). Many of these photos are disturbing. Many of the older girls, ranging from 6 years old to 10 years old, have photos taken during their Pro Am routine, a modeling and dance combination where the child uses seductive moves and removes pieces of clothing! Part of the routine includes little girls bending over and smacking their behinds! It is difficult to determine the age of the child as their appearance is SO deceiving, though generally these are young girls, ages 7-9! These photo banners are posted on the World Wide Web where anyone, including pedophiles and sex offenders, can pull up that child's photo. Additionally, the childs name, age, and what pageant they will be at NEXT is posted on the board. I shudder to think what harm could come of this if an offender sought that child out! One can only imagine what thoughts these banner photos conjure up to an unsavory visitor!
As I scrolled through the many banners of WINNERS of pageants and read the replies, I was astounded that the simple act of posting a banner of your little child dressed as an adult was applauded by friends and family! Should anyone miss posting a congratulatory message they are bashed from California to New York! Friends and family post a reply under the childs banner. Consequently, the replies posted are redundant and smack of insincerity. At the same time, the banner wars moved into full gear! There is an ongoing war instigated by one particular group, the Gosney Girls (named after their coach, Susan Gosney) to get their banners to the top as fast and as often as possible, in spite of everyone elses viewing enjoyment! This particular group, known as the GGs, seem particularly vindictive and hateful when it comes to people outside their group. This group consists of a number of little girls and some boys coached by a former Pageant Mom with no expertise. This tight group of pageant Moms are willing to go the extra mile to insure that THEIR child, (a GG) is always on top! Their posts and replies are most often sarcastic and intimidating. In an effort to keep their group in the forefront, they Bash everyone not associated with them. This Bashing is done with the full approval of the coach. While Message Boards generally contain a cautionary statement at the top of the page discouraging and prohibiting BASHING, this is prevalent regardless. (*NOTE: The names referenced here have already been posted on the Internet on the NEW TEXAS PAGEANT BOARD and the New PMS Message Board as well as on deleted boards. See excerpts from those boards below)
The GG group has a website, a message board, and a WHOO HOO Board of their own all owned by a Pageant Mom near Dallas, (yes, her daughters are GGs!) yet seldom do they post their banners and messages there. They prefer to take over a popular board, as they did with THE TEXAS PAGEANT BOARD, and control it. Obviously there are more visitors to the TEXAS PAGEANT BOARD than the GOSNEY GIRLS MESSAGE BOARD. This would ensure a much larger audience. Their motivation seems to be to push their group down everyone¡¦s throat in spite of the fact that this group is generally despised for the actions and comments. The Mom¡¦s of these GG¡¦s are relentless and accusatory. General opinion is that the GGs are akin to a cult.
In interviews with Mom¡¦s whose child WAS a GG, and a few whose child is currently a GG but they are trying to get out, the opinions expressed were FEAR of retaliation should they leave the group; FEAR of attacks by the group; and FEAR of being ostracized by the group. The total fear the Mom¡¦s have of this retaliation from the GG group and coach was more than evident during the interviews. Clandestine phone conversations reminiscent of Watergate became the mainstay of my information gathering. Suspicion is equally as prevalent. Emails were discouraged by those interviewed as they believed that they could be traced and tracked through an email and feared being bashed on the boards! As a writer, I was astounded that a Pageant group could instill such terror in otherwise normal people. I gained a clearer understanding and appreciation of their fear once I had monitored the Message Boards for a few days!
During my interviews I learned that the coach of the GGs forces the Mom¡¦s to purchase her own brand of Pageant dresses at prices upwards of $1200! She further demands that her GGs NOT compete in certain pageants. Directors have stated that this woman uses extortion to dictate that her group WIN at pageants, even going as far as PAYING some directors for the win and entering a large number of contestants. Directors of long standing Pageant systems have been ruined by this one group. Some have discontinued their Pageants, others are pulling out slowly. She is also paid for doing their HAIR AND MAKE-UP (albeit she is not a licensed cosmetologist!) In addition, the shoes, etc. that the GG child MUST wear are purchased directly from the coach. She charges them for ProAm lessons, even travels different states and accepts fees for training. The fact that she has NO EXPERIENCE or CREDENTIALS is not a concern! This GG coach has her students compete in the Glitz pageants; full regalia of Hair, Make-up, and Dresses. The message board is an excellent source for the GGs to discourage competition and guarantee another win for their group. This one woman has dramatically changed Pageantry in just the past couple of years she has brought it to the lowest level.
Innocent visitors to the message boards are bashed unmercifully for any reason. Full names are posted for the entire world to see! Accusations without any evidence or proof are made daily against those not a part of the GG cult. Understandably, reputations have been ruined through the bashing of innocent people on these boards. Pageant Mom¡¦s that LEAVE the Gosney group are accused and bashed on the message boards. Their FULL NAMES and email addresses are posted and they have been labeled BASHERS. Defenders of the victims are further bashed. Threats of posting the bashers ISP and IP information are real to these innocent victims and viewers. Threats are posted that tracing and tracking software can divulge personal information about a visitor who posts a message and that personal information will be posted as a means to exposing and revealing the basher! One young pageant Mom received an instant message threatening her! Defenders of the GG group use language inappropriate for children and most adults, yet the Board Owner does nothing to delete or remedy this problem. The BASHING of Pageant systems is quite prevalent on the boards. No one is safe from the wrath of this dysfunctional group.
One extremely hateful board recently was shut down by Voy.com. Immediately, NEW boards were popping up and this group was migrating in droves to them to continue their bash fest of innocent people! Ironically, within a just a few days, the naughty deleted board was BACK UP! The posts and replies were exuberant! Yippee, I¡¦m doing the happy dance! Our board is Back! Summarily, the bashing and hatefulness continued without missing a beat!
Pageant systems in Texas used to be a wholesome, natural and normal event despite the overwhelming consensus that pageants are bad for children. Parents were encouraged to enter their child in the hopes of teaching poise, responsibility, stage presence, self-esteem, and confidence. The FULL GLITZ pageant complete with ridiculously expense dresses, atrocious hair do¡¦s with falls, and way too much make-up has replaced the former natural, Sunday best, casual sportswear pageant of years ago. Before the internet and anonymous postings were available, Pageants were a healthy activity for many, much the same as any sport or group children join. I have learned that Pageants in Texas have been dramatically altered to exclude everyday competition. This particular group terrorizes contestants into not entering, then show up at the door on the day of the pageant, enter, and WIN! They have no competition and have stacked the deck with their own! Some Directors have been forced to SELL OUT to this ransom demand in an effort to garner enough entries to make their pageant financially viable. This one group has changed the standard of pageantry to suit themselves and guarantee wins for themselves. What this has accomplished is yet ANOTHER WIN for this Group at the expense of many of the long standing Pageant Systems; i.e. Cinderella, Gingerbread, Stars Over the USA, Halo Productions, All Star Pageants, to name just a few of the better pageant systems. Directors will tell that they have cut back on their pageants, some even have quit, due to the fact that they cannot garner contestants to go up against the Gosney Group. One long standing Director was forced out of the business by this group.
My sojourn into the Message Boards on the Internet has divulged an entirely clear though extremely disturbing picture of the dark side of pageantry in Texas. Following are some excerpts copied and pasted from these boards:
¡P Haven't heard from Tamsyn in a while... Is she planning on doing anymore pageants? -- Has any of her royalty heard from her? Just curious..., 10:09:06 04/16/02 Tue
o Hope that she goes to a pageant that we are at. I can't wait to "cheer" for her.... (NT) -- BOO HISS BOO BOOOOOO...., 11:02:28 04/16/02 Tue
o SOUNDS LIKE BASHING TO ME! HERE YOU GO. THE BOARD IS NOT BACK UP 8 HOURS AND YOU JUST CAN'T CONTROL YOURSELF! YOU ARE ALL A JOKE! (NT) -- see you all as losers and bashers, 11:12:27 04/16/02 Tue
¡± What got YOUR panties in a wad? Are you Tamsyn? (NT) -- You need to chill out! There are drugs out there that will help you if you can't calm down on your own!, 11:26:24 04/16/02 Tue
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¡P I have posted in defense of Rhonda on the pms board and the monotor will not post it. Who would own a board like that. I would stab my eyes out if I owned it. -- Someone went to the talo baord and got the isp numbers off D+P banners. Rhonda does not post those banners. Moms do and there are many of us. That board owner is a GG, D+P and JP hater. She monotors so she can keep the trash up. Don't post there unless you like being on the ugly side of pageants, 07:51:40 04/11/02 Thu
o Why didn't you sign your name? (NT) -- ??, 07:52:41 04/11/02 Thu
¡± R you crazy? Sign my name to this post? For the same reason you did not sign yours. There are some real nuts out there right now. (NT) -- We don't sign our names to the banners so the contestants can talk with the director and not get second hand instructions. Most directors like to answer the questions about their pageants themselves. It's in almost everones paperwork to ask the director for information., 08:01:12 04/11/02 Thu
o It's also really strange that all the bashed names are ones that granny mo hates too. (NT) -- Hmmmmm? Who owns that board? I would be afraid to death that someone will bust me if I was them., 07:53:32 04/11/02 Thu
o What is the address to this board ?? (NT) -- mom, 08:03:41 04/11/02 Thu
¡± Why? (NT) -- No one want to spread the address. Unless it's that board owner. Believe me she comes here all the time., 08:09:42 04/11/02 Thu
o It just seems like if you are saying you are defending someone that is something you shouldn't be afraid to sign for. Right? (NT) -- ? Confused, 08:12:46 04/11/02 Thu
¡± You have a point. Most people sign their name when they are doing something nice. Unless something odd is going on (NT) -- Hmmm, 08:15:11 04/11/02 Thu
¡± Yes my point is that you will get bashed no matter what you do. The basher does not leave their name so why does the defender have to? (NT) -- I don't see your name here either? So what is your point?, 08:22:14 04/11/02 Thu
o I also went on to defend little JP & it would not let me post. It did not show up! I didn't want to post at all until I saw the comment about all blacks look alike & the one about her hair!! (NT) -- Very P.O'd about this!!!, 08:19:17 04/11/02 Thu
¡± Hey, the owner said she messed up and accidentally put it on moderated haha. I think it is funny. (NT) -- No name, 08:35:58 04/11/02 Thu
¡± That's a LIE. Because after it went on monorated there were still post going up there. (NT) -- What a looser you are pms board owner!, 09:45:20 04/11/02 Thu
¡± me to I tried to put my input about the remark and it would not let me. Who ever said this('All black girls look alike') should be ashamed of them selves. That is a raceist, rude and STUPIED remark and it makes you look stupied!!! Thats why the world is so messed up now.. (NT) -- *, 09:55:33 04/11/02 Thu
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¡P OMG! There is a war on the pms board tonight. -- Looks like the board owner is taking the heat this time. I think people are tired of places like that board ruining a good nite at the computer., 10:16:26 04/11/02 Thu
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o Who has the address YOU-SUCK@aol.com? (NT) -- That was funny., 10:26:34 04/11/02 Thu _______________________________________________________________________
¡P A PLEA - I am starting a list of directors and coaches who will no longer tolerate bashing. If one of your clients is got with hard copy proof that they are bashing then I for one suggest they are severly reprimanded if not banned. The bashing of small children must stop. Please join me in this crusade (not a witch hunt it must be hard copy proof!) Let's show them it will no longer be tolerated -- Jenn, 22:41:29 04/10/02 Wed
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o I don't want bashing. This is meant as a unity of the pagent community directors and coaches. Thanks (NT) -- Jenn, 22:42:31 04/10/02 Wed
o Count me in Jenn! I for one am tired of the bashing and I will not tolerate my students Mom's bashing either. If I find out that they are I will no longer coach them. I hope we can all work together so all of the kids and Mom's can enjoy Pageants! (NT) -- Lisa Ozio, 22:47:20 04/10/02 Wed
¡± I think we should ban all bashers( with hard core proof of course) If a person bashes a child I think they have no business being allowed in Pageants. (NT) -- Count me in, Wendy, 23:15:31 04/10/02 Wed
o Jennifer we at Gingerbread stand behind you 100% ! This is Miss Joy's thought for the day! It topples governments, wecks marriages, ruins careers, busts reputations, causes heartaches, nightmares, indigestion, spawns suspicion, generates grief, dispatches innocent people to cry in their pillows. Even its name hisses. It is called GOSSIP. It makes headlines and headaches. Before you repeat A story, ask yourself: Is it true? Is it necessary? If not, BE QUIET! (NT) -- MISS ANDA, 23:11:24 04/10/02 Wed
¡± Wow Anda, very good post! Thanks everyone this means a lot (NT) -- Jenn, 23:31:57 04/10/02 Wed
o Count me in...there is never an excuse for hurting another human being, especially a small child. I'm tired of seeing children hurt, coaches attacked, and directors getting harassed.... you go girl Jenn, we're behind you on this!!!!!! (NT) -- Linda, 23:39:41 04/10/02 Wed
o I AM BEHIND YOU 100 %, if proof is given then I would not allow them to enter into my Pageant. No need for Bashing! If you have a problem, them go to the person and talk to them about it! (NT) -- Kim Bobbitt, 00:05:57 04/11/02 Thu
¡± Agree 100% Jenn! Count me in! (NT) -- Stephanie Jackson TX AAF, 00:12:48 04/11/02 Thu
o ttt (NT) -- ', 00:27:46 04/11/02 Thu
o We need to be REALLY sure on the proof, though. I can see how someone might easily "frame" another if ISPs are used as proof. What will we use for proof? I don't want people to be falsely accused because someone set them up. (NT) -- JMHO, 00:48:26 04/11/02 Thu
¡± ISP'S are normally a very good indication. Also, just be careful of who you are talking too. You might be assuming the original accusation came from one group when it really came from one of your friends listening to your "complaints" (NT) -- thought to ponder, 01:51:14 04/11/02 Thu
o Oh Jenn, this is a great ideal. Count me in to. My system is not HUGE, but I try very hard... I don't want the bashers anywhere near.! (NT) -- Angela Murray, 01:28:02 04/11/02 Thu
o I agree with you 100%. I realize we have to be cautious but pageants are for the children and we need to treat everyone as we would want to be treated ourselves. (NT) -- Sherry - Miss American Angel Pageant Director, 01:34:10 04/11/02 Thu
o I agree totally with you plea! But I have a question, What if the basher is a h/m person, coach, director or pageant designer ? (NT) -- What do we do then? This is just a question -- can they be banned from the pageant world also? perplexed !, 01:38:42 04/11/02 Thu
o Jenn, I am behind you 100%. I agree with everything Miss Anda posted! It's time to show the bashers it will not be tolerated any longer. (NT) -- Beverly Moore, AJ Pageant Productions, 01:47:26 04/11/02 Thu
o I think all bashing has to stop period. It's way out of hand. Not only children get hurt over this, it makes directors think twice about holding pageants. Most of us do this for the right reasons & when we see innocent children, moms (and directors) get hurt, it really stinks. I was recently accused of bashing on a board that I have NEVER posted on! It's just nuts! We have a Sportsmanship clause in our system & we use it. I'm personally tired of "bash" boards & have been staying away. (NT) -- Besides, Sat, we took the kids to the carnival & they had a guy reading peoples ages & weight. The young man guessed mine on the nose! 40! UGH. So you can see that I have more important things to worry about than bash boards these days. LOL. -Eternal Victim. ;-) MS. Rhonda -Diamonds & Pearls, 01:54:01 04/11/02 Thu
¡± Rhonda, God Bless people like you! you are soooo wonderful. I wish we had more directors like you. (NT) -- love D&P, 01:05:21 04/12/02 Fri
o Count us in at Imperial Classic Pageants...We are a new system,but we are for bettering the pageant community. Thanks for starting this,Paige Hopper-Imperial Classic Beauty Pageants (NT) -- Paige, 04:52:33 04/11/02 Thu
o Count Country Bumpkin in for sure...tired of the bashing!! (NT) -- Jacque (Director), 05:46:54 04/11/02 Thu
o Hi. If I have concrete proof I'll ban any basher but I need more than just guessing or finger pointing to do it. I think a lot of people are falsely accused of bashing or someone bashes in someone else's name all the time and I want to be sure to only punish the guilty, not the innocent. (NT) -- MJ, 07:02:12 04/11/02 Thu
¡± Margy..is that you on the above post? I know it is not me...we have the same initials. Maryann Jacobs (NT) -- The other MJ, 09:31:55 04/11/02 Thu
o Jenn, I am behind you 100%!!!! Count me in! There is no excuse for bashing - NO MATTER WHAT!!!!! (NT) -- Norma, 12:11:19 04/11/02 Thu
o You can count me in! Pageants are for the kids to have fun and for them to develop friendships, confidence, and a good self image. TUMMI supports you all the way. (NT) -- Tani : ), 21:15:08 04/11/02 Thu
o Need More of this! (NT) -- Keep at the Top!, 01:02:52 04/12/02 Fri
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¡P My little girl is just starting out in pageants. has not won yet and I would like to find her a coach. Talked to several parents of the Gosney lady and she sounds pretty good but was kind of let down by the Gosney Girl's (think that is the right term) attitudes.. kinda stiff... but would like to compare it to Miss Ozio's training which I hear is actually alot better . Not drawing a conclusion or anything just want the best for my daughter? HELP -- BD in Beaumont, 01:20:01 04/10/02 Wed
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o You just had to go there didn't you LOL! (NT) -- *, 01:23:18 04/10/02 Wed
o Board Owner please erase, we dont want to read the can of worms THIS question is going to open. (NT) -- please. thank you., 01:39:10 04/10/02 Wed
o It's pretty clear who posted this. (NT) -- What a joke!, 01:39:57 04/10/02 Wed
o I am just trying to fit in and have my daughter fit in... Yall are alot more educated in Pageants than me.. If I asked a question that will 'Open a Can of Worms" why is that? why is there so much hostility? we are talking about training my daughter. but I withdraw my question.. I will train her myself.. Thank ALL OF YOU VERY MUCH.... (NT) -- BD, 01:51:03 04/10/02 Wed
o I have been around pageants for going on 6 years now and have never heard of the Ozio person so must not be too impressive, there are other options. (NT) -- Renee, 02:50:16 04/10/02 Wed
¡± BD in Beaumont-----I just wanted to let you know that not all Gosney Girls have let you down. Susan G. has tons of students. dont let one ruin it for another. Sometimes WE GG's are proccupied and seam unsociable, but some have their minds set on other things at that particular moment. I guess it is up to you on who you choose. But dont say we have ALL let you down, becasue some of us probably have never met you. (NT) -- JMHO, 03:41:29 04/10/02 Wed
¡± My daugher isn't a GG.......but some of her best pageant buddies are! Your post is very rude! If you want your daughter to "fit in" that is not the way to do it! Also, a coach does not make your daughter fit in. Going to pageants and letting your daughter play with the other kids is how you make friends in pageants. It doesn't matter which coach you use. Pick one that works well with your daughter. (NT) -- Verna-, 03:59:36 04/10/02 Wed
¡± My daughter is a Hollywood Babe ( one who is coached by Lisa Ozio) and she is a lovely lady!! She is very good with the girls and boys that she does coach. She does not have nearly as many students as S.G. so she is more able to consentrate her time and effort on the kids that she does have. During the few lessons that my daughter has had she has improved so much on stage! I think that she is a wonderful coach and person and I would highly recommend her!!! (NT) -- JMHO, 06:08:15 04/10/02 Wed
o CAN'T EVERYONE GET ALONG? What is the deal? MY WORD! I think each one of my best friends goes to a different coach WHO CARES!!! We personally love Susan and that is our choice. Can't everyone just be happy? (NT) -- Jenn and Em, 05:01:13 04/10/02 Wed
o Cant you people see that this is Lisa Ozio fishing for compliments... and trouble. GEEZ people, acting just like Rhonda Tenove again. this is something she would do (NT) -- CC, 05:47:49 04/10/02 Wed
¡± LMAO! This beats everything so far. Good Try Ladies! But Wrong Again! (NT) -- Lisa Ozio, 06:14:43 04/10/02 Wed
o Gosney and Ozio? Apples and Oranges. Susan's kids have won many titles everywhere against some of the toughest competition. (NT) -- proud Gosney mom, 05:55:55 04/10/02 Wed
¡± Bridgette doesn't have a coach, and we have friends that are GG's and HB's. Mainly GG's because we mainly compete up north. I know if you come up to me during a pageant I will gladly talk to you, unless I am chasing my 2 yr old. We have friends all over Texas and the coach doesn't matter! Just find the coach you like and leave it at that! (NT) -- Stephanie Jackson, 06:47:53 04/10/02 Wed
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¡P Cover Miss -- Gosney Mom, 06:08:00 04/10/02 Wed
Will some really creative talented pageant mom make a banner for all the Gosney's going to Cover Miss??? I love seeing who is going and wish all of our friends good luck! Sometimes when you just see the winners list after the pageant you still don't know who all was there! Can Susan give an accurate list??? Thanks in advance.
o Is someone just trying to find out who their competition is??? (NT) -- Shannon always makes the GG banners and I am sure that she will come through this time. Give her a couple of days. In the meantime, you will just have to keep wondering about which GG's are going to be in your daughter's age group!, 06:48:47 04/10/02 Wed
o Oh please, give it a rest...you sound like a SNOB. Now i am beginning to see what there ISNT to like about the G.G's. (NT) -- nt, 08:18:29 04/10/02 Wed
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Hey everyone!! Sorry this post will be so long but I know that you will understand why after you read it. -- LUANE-MAJESTIC CREATIONS, 08:23:25 04/03/02 Wed
Dear pageant friends,
Being involved in pageantry since Katie was 6, now she is 15, has been a great ride. I have been a contestant mom and a newbie at that! to being a director of a successful pageant and crown business. There are still a few of us that have been around for many years and I hold your friendship very dear. I won¡¦t start naming names, but you know who you are. We have all watched our sons and daughters grow into beautiful young men and ladies. Some have graduate, graduating this year and still have a few years left before they graduate. The last 3 years have been some of my favorite. I have met some of the best people. You and your children are part of my family and always will be. Nothing makes me happier to see that big smile on a childs face and to know that I helped put it there. When I started Majestic Creations Pageants I had orginally planned to have just one or two pageants a year. Then it started snowballing from there and ended up having about 7 pageants a year. I was bound and determined to figure out how to make crowns. Okay, everyone remembers those first ones¡K they did leave a lot to be desired but you kept on supporting me and that support led me to finally getting it right. It has been so much fun to come up with different ideas for crowns.
When I decided to have pageants I told myself that I would put my whole effort into the system. I can truthfully say that I have. You can always tell the directors that are in it for the kids and not the money. Texas is blessed with many great directors.
Pageantry the last few years has really taken a turn. As much good as it can be, it can be as much bad. I think the internet played a big role into this. The internet has been a great place to visit with friends, post congrats, and adverstise. Lately it is also a place to hurt other peoples feeling, accuse, bash and downright be ugly. I am sure that we all have been bashed at one time or another and we know how it feels, it hurts, but it still goes on. I know that people say you can¡¦t trace, but you can. I found out who tried to bash me with the nice little FYI letter but never posted their name publicly. I know who it was and I know that eventually she will show her true colors and everyone will know how she truly is and I believe that what goes around, comes around.
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Mon, 29 Jul 2002
Settler funeral sparks Hebron clashes
BBC News The mother (2nd R) of 14-year-old Palestinian Nivin Musa Jamjoum mourns her daughter´s death with relatives 28 July 2002 at the Ahli hospital in the West Bank town of Hebron. Jamjoum was shot dead in the head by enraged Jewish settlers as they rampaged, guns ablaze, through the town following the funeral of an Israeli killed by Palestinian militants. AFP photo...
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Tommy to consider appeal
Sydney Morning Herald Tommy Suharto and his lawyers will Decide today whether to appeal a 15-year jail term handed down by a Malaysian court for murder and illegal weapons' possession, one of his lawyers said yesterday. AFP photo
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Plane crashes after take-off; at least 14 dead
Sydney Morning Herald A firefighter works at the site of a plane crash near Moscow´s Sheremetyevo airport 28 July 2002. An Ilyushin-86 aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff from Sheremetyevo, killing at least 14 people. AFP photo
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Powell dodges Pakistan democracy debate
The Times Of India Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf (L), talks to reporters as US Secretary of State Colin Powell looks on at the Presidential House in Islamabad, 28 July 2002. Powell´s visit is set to push for talks to end five decades of hostility between nuclear-armed neighbors India and Pakistan. AFP photo
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Bhutto Head of Pakistan Opposition
Las Vegas Sun Exiled former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto will remain head of Pakistan's main opposition party going into October parliamentary elections after she won a party ballot on Sunday.Bhutto was re-elected as chairperson of the Pakistan People's Party after running unopposed, party spokesman Farhatullah Babar told The Associated Press. (AFP photo)
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Iraq says it's ready for U.S. attack
Financial Times Iraqis and Arab foreign nationals burn American flags 28 July 2002 during a demonstration in the streets of Baghdad. Iraq´s parliament announced a campaign to mobilise the Iraqi people against the United States, which has stepped up threats to launch a military strike to topple President Saddam Hussein. AFP photo
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The saddest search of all...
News24 SA Yurko Rud (R), 7, lies in his bed at the reanimation department as his grandmother (no name avbl) cries at the children´s hospital in Lviv, 28 July 2002. Relatives are crowding hospital corridors seeking news of loved ones injured or missing when a jet crashed into spectators in western Ukraine, killing 83 in the world's worst air-show disaster. AFP photo
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Investor, would you like fries with that stock?
Baltimore Sun Wall Street is in trouble. This is your fault. Yes, I am talking to you, Mr. or Ms. Small Investor. Wall Street is getting sick and tired of your namby-pamby "wait and see" attitude toward the stock market. Wall Street wants you to show some courage and resume handing your money over to Wall Street. (AFP photo)
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Thousands of tourists watch Kilauea lava flow
The Bergen Record Glowing lava set trees afire and oozed into the ocean before dawn Saturday as thousands of spectators braved Kilauea Volcano's scalding spray to witness the spectacle.It is the most dangerous display of volcanic activity from Kilauea since 1995. Since the flow began May 12, the lava has triggered one major fire, burning more than 3,600 acres(AFP photo)
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Bush, Cheney: Cheshire cats of reform / As private citizens, did they do what they now disavow?
San Fransisco Chronicle The corporate-reform bill President Bush will sign into law this week would have made his own actions as a businessman a criminal offense. This is but the latest "Alice in Wonderland" aspect of the scandals rocking the business world, which have made the stock market an earthquake zone of late and have caused millions of people to rethink their retirement plans. (AFP file photo)
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Yugoslavia Holds Local Elections
Las Vegas Sun About 100 ethnic Albanians wait in front of the polling station in Veliki Trnovac near Bujanovac during local elections 28 July 2002. Polls opened in three southern Serbian towns in the first test of last year´s peace accord ending more than 15 months of conflict between Belgrade and ethnic Albanian guerrillas. AFP PHOTO EPA / SASA DJORDJEVIC / SD fob .
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Rescuers begin hauling miners to safety
Swissinfo English Miners at the Quecreek Mine embrace early Sunday 28 July, 2002 after nine of their co-workers were rescued after being trapped in the mine since late Wednesday. At left is Larry Summerville, and Doug Custer is right. Both men were in the mine at the time of the accident, and escaped by being warned by the team of miners who were trapped. AFP PHOTO/POOL/Steve HELBER .
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