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Date Posted: 09:47:03 01/21/04 Wed
Author: Anonymous
Subject: Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant
In reply to: 's message, "Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant" on 06:55:45 06/20/03 Fri

>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>choice, any help would be appreciated!

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:42:18 02/19/04 Thu

My daugher received a letter for this pageant also. She has been accepted. However, I can not find anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I researched and found that to not be true. The pageant claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one server out there that can pull it up. This seems to be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your take?

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:01 02/25/04 Wed

Definitely not a money pit. My daughter is the current Miss Pre-Teen America. She was crowned in December in Orlando, Florida at the National Pageant. We did not spend any of our own money, but obtained corporate sponsors. Her prizes included a new car, and a cruise. It is a great confidence builder for young girls at the local and national levels. The judges were all well known entertainers/or industry people. The pageant is based as much on inner beauty as poise and confidence. It was a very positive experience.

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[> [> [> [> Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:20:27 10/02/06 Mon

Hi there, my daughter Serenity (97) won second runner up yesterday (10-01-06) in the local Miss Green Bay pageant and can now go to the Nationals in Florida (Sponsor indorsed). This was her first pageant ever and it really seems to have helped build her self confidence. Would it be possible for your daughter (winner of the nationals) to contact (via e-mail) my daughter to ask her a few questions? It would be very much appreciated.
Thank you, Kimberly

kknight@mcw.edu

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:44:12 03/07/07 Wed

hi my name is melissa matias and im 1st runner up for the nationals i wish every one good luck and i will pray for every one. :)

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 17:01:45 03/18/07 Sun

>hi my name is melissa matias and im 1st runner up for
>the nationals i wish every one good luck and i will
>pray for every one. :)
this pagent is a scam and i cant believe i felt for it it says it free but its not its acuaully $497 just to enter than $198 just for pics so im tellimg u not to join also because when u get to florida they tell u its a $1000 more dollars....
love always,catherine sharlene hislop

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:00:57 12/21/08 Sun

This is a total scam!! BEWARE the owner of nationals inc is a registered sex offender. That is why it is not listed as a beauty pagent. He has it listed as a consulting service. He was busted for kiddie porn! Everything they told us was a lie. My daughter won for miss pre-teen and we never got to Orlando. They told us everything was paid for and go pick up our tickets. We went to pick them up all packed and ready to go and there were no tickets. We tried calling them and their number had been disconnected. We also ordered Several hundred dollars worth of pictures and never recieved any. "NOT ONE PICTURE". About two months later they sent me a letter asking if my daughter would like to compete in a pageant in another town but this time they weanted $1297.00! I have contacted the local and federal authorities they said they have been after these guy's for quite some time now. They said he was using kid's that had won pictures to make fake porn with their faces!! He is a sick sick man!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:22 01/05/09 Mon

It is a pure SCAM! I was able to call them and reached them at 800-454-3420. The problem is they do not give prizes they promised and saying now that we did not read papers correctly and prize of $20,000.00 is a prize paid to all girls across the states and to the winner that would only include a crown, trophy, banner and trip to Orlando (which I have not received any info about). It is just a scam.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:15:32 04/30/09 Thu

>It is a pure SCAM! I was able to call them and reached
>them at 800-454-3420. The problem is they do not give
>prizes they promised and saying now that we did not
>read papers correctly and prize of $20,000.00 is a
>prize paid to all girls across the states and to the
>winner that would only include a crown, trophy, banner
>and trip to Orlando (which I have not received any
>info about). It is just a scam.
I agree with you.I WAS ONE OF THE RUNNER UP FOR THE MISS MILWAUKEE PAGENT AND WHAT THEY WROTE IN THE LETTER IS DIFFERENT, WHEN U WIN.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:18:45 10/02/13 Wed

Any pageant that charges $495 without providing services beyond "training" is a money pit. Photogenic optional fees are never $125. The scoring system is bogus. No matter how well you perform in the first two categories, your title hinges on the final questions with all scores being rolled back to zero. This pageant offers no platform, no charitable affiliation, no sponsors, no arranged appearances for the winners and says absolutely nothing about returning the following year to crown a successor. And no pageant on earth is going to expect preliminary winners to compete in a national pageant with only SIX WEEKS to prepare during the school year. Do you really expect kids to miss a week of school to compete? Right before the holidays? I think the directors are merely trying to insure their own Merry Christmas. Shameful and Ridiculous!

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 11:07:59 10/15/04 Fri

>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>take?


my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA. IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN. WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE $500.00 PER CONTESTANT.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:38:30 10/18/04 Mon


This pageant system is on the up and up. About 3 years ago my grandughter competed in it in the Pittsburgh area and won overall Photogenic. She went to the Nationals in Orlando, Florida in December of that year and all of her expenses were paid. It was a well run pageant as far as I can determine. Of course she didn't place at the nationals, but that was not the problem of the directors or the pageant. We have been to "well documented and representated pageant systems" and found them not to be as credible as this one was. Hats off to COA!!!!!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:21:26 02/16/07 Fri

>Not only is this a scam but when we did get to the hotel last year in orland we had to pay for everything. The $60,000 grand prize does not exist., I am the mother of the winner when we went to collect our check it was for $600.00 which did not even cover costs
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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 22:55:48 11/22/04 Mon

>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>>take?
>
>
>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.


So get out of pageants. that's an easy way to avoid being taken.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:09:07 07/02/07 Mon

>>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>>researched and found that to not be true. The
>pageant
>>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the
>one
>>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is
>your
>>>take?
>>
>>
>>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.
>
>
>So get out of pageants. that's an easy way to avoid
>being taken.
>>Hi. My name is joanna,, i entered 2 of my daughter to this pagent and payed over 2000.00 on cost alone on there pagent...with out cost of clothes and travel and everything els that they charged..I totaly agree with you. They charged me 149.00 for pictures when i receive them they were in a cd, what the hell i was expecting pictures not no cds. They also told me since i had was getting the pics for both my girls i would only pay 1/2 prise on the pics. until this day i still have not received any discount..not only have i not received the discount,,but i also received the cds damaged,,one scratched and the other cracked. so until today 7/2/07 i still have not been able to see the pics. They should be ashamed of them selfs... I have been calling them to complain. on the cds that i received, noone is ever available. i have left message after message and they have not returned my call. They also explained to all the girls and family at the interduction that only halfof the girl would complete and qualify to compete in the pagent on the day of the pagent every girl that was at the interduction was also at the competition. I think they are a very big scam. I also reveiced a letter saying that my girls also quafy to go to Florida but i would have to pay another $2,000.00 for travel expenses. I strongly believve that they are a total scam and we should be refunded for all the money that we spent..the only good thing about it was my girls got experience. they promised alot of thing...about making friends and new people..which is not true..I think people should know what this compnay does and they should be reported. they are wrong and they are a scam..

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:05:32 07/25/07 Wed

First of all Joanna, I have to say I am apalled at your misspelled words and lack of any decorum. I mean if you are going to try to get your point accross, use the big words ONLY if you can ACTUALLY SPELL THEM! My daughter was in the Buffalo Pageant and it was an absolute wonderful learning experience. She did not place but that definately did not discourage her, she is already talking about the next pageant. How can you get away with calling this company a scam???? They deliver exactly what they promise , and if your daughters did not meet new people and make new friends did you happen to stop and think that maybe you might have something to do with it???? Look at your attitude! Did you ever stop and read the information booklet they hand out to you at the information session. Everything is practically spelled out to you in it, and nothing including the price is hidden. I also purchased the photo cd for my daughter ( and it says PHOTO CD on the order form!) and I already viewed the pics at the pageant so I know what I am getting. Did you ever stop and think that scratched and cracked CDs might have something to do with the Postal Service??? Oh right I forgot you are perfect, just look at your message. Just a word of advice, if you would actually spend as much time with your children teaching them social skills as you do complaining and bashing this company, maybe your children would of had a better experience than what you said they did. Oh and its good to know you will not have your daughters attend the Orlando Pageant because your poor disposition will ruin anyone else's chance to have an enjoyable experience.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:57:56 06/29/10 Tue

Do you work for them?

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 19:58:10 09/09/05 Fri

I really dont know if it is a money pit or not but i got a letter I have just turned 13 and I checked it out im really not that kinda gurl but yes i still got on the computer to check everything out I wasnt gonna ask to go entill i knew what it was well i got on the web site (and it sounds like I was on of the few)and looked at the pagents and most of it was annoying little pop-ups then I clicked on photos, there is were I went wrong...THE F**KIN FIRST THING THAT LOADED COMPLETELY WAS WANNA GET LAID TONITE AND SEX PICS AND ALL THAT
SHIT! I Seriosly dont recremend gettin into this you'll never
now where you're child will end up next, i mean im 13 THIRTEEN
its disgustin that their all ready sending me this kind of mail, im sry about my letter Patty U FUCKIN BICH! YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME FUCKIN SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:51:16 10/04/05 Tue

i don't know what this is either. I got the same letter today. I don't know if it's a scam or not. I'm not that girl who would do this but I may want to do this. Hpefully it's not a scam. I have to check it out with my parents. I don't know we'll see.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 11:31:22 04/28/07 Sat

>I really dont know if it is a money pit or not but i
>got a letter I have just turned 13 and I checked it
>out im really not that kinda gurl but yes i still got
>on the computer to check everything out I wasnt gonna
>ask to go entill i knew what it was well i got on the
>web site (and it sounds like I was on of the few)and
>looked at the pagents and most of it was annoying
>little pop-ups then I clicked on photos, there is were
>I went wrong...THE F**KIN FIRST THING THAT LOADED
>COMPLETELY WAS WANNA GET LAID TONITE AND SEX PICS AND
>ALL THAT
> SHIT! I Seriosly dont recremend gettin into this
>you'll never
>now where you're child will end up next, i mean im 13
>THIRTEEN
> its disgustin that their all ready sending me this
>kind of mail, im sry about my letter Patty U FUCKIN
>BICH! YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME FUCKIN
>SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT IS F**KIN TRUE

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 22:01:39 01/06/07 Sat

my daughter Marisa won first runner up Miss Photogenic, in her age group 2 years ago at the Nationals, and she won a trip to Florida to compete in Cities of America, where she made new friends, won trophies and had the time of her life. have ant questions, email me, lostndnswife@yahoo.com.. her mom Rachelle


>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>>take?
>
>
>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:39:00 09/19/05 Mon

>My daughter also received a letter like that and I contacted the Mrs. America pageant representative and was told that in the 29 years of the pageant, they have never had a Patty Neidert hold the Mrs. America title. I also checked with the BBB in PA and they have had 6 complaints against Nationals Inc. in the last 36 months all whicha have been resolved. My daughter is 18 and I gave her all the information that I had and she has decided not to pursue the pageant. Please be aware and research all you can. I found the Nationals Incorporated web site but it did not offer much information.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:02:50 10/21/05 Fri

its patty neidert. i did the pageant this year.. it was super fun! one of my good friends i made there won. she is super cool.. LOVE YA ALI! love ya..! allana!

good luck in florida

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 05:17:08 04/28/07 Sat

My daughter was accepted also. The web site is www.manchesterpageant.com I also have tried to look up Patty Neidert, and Mrs. America and she has NEVER been on the list of winners!!! I am suspicious as well even though we have begun securing sponsors.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:22:20 09/27/09 Sun

My daughter received the same letter. I tried to pull up the website as well, and all it shows are pictures and metions very little about anything. No cost is mentioned and there are no links to follow to find out anything. If they are legit, you would think they would have a more professional website that would give the information needed. It just seems like a money-making scam to me by not being able to find out enough information.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 07:58:17 06/22/04 Tue

>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>choice, any help would be appreciated!

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:02:08 07/12/04 Mon

>>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>>My daughters received a letter to go to an
>information
>>>session and that it costs nothing for the
>contestants.
>>>We went, they were interviewed and then told ***
>about
>>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to
>do
>>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>>choice, any help would be appreciated!


I am the current Miss Jr. Teen New York City, I obtained my title in Novemeber of 2003. I did NOT spent any of my own money, and received a full expense pain trip to Orlando in December 2004 to compete for the National title. I encourage you to enter this pageant. It was a great experiance for me, and a memorable night....long but memorable.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 16:30:05 08/16/05 Tue

>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>choice, any help would be appreciated!



hello I'm one who is interested in this pagent and was wondering if anyone knew anythinga abot it please email me at bison_babe_326@yahoo.com

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:34:57 03/30/09 Mon

For everybody's Information their website is Nationalsincorporated.com you dumb bells all you hav to do is search it or Google Cities of America Pageant.Another thing this is not a scam cuz I won 1st runner up in the city division and now Iget to go to Orlando cuz your not suppose to pay for nothing you are suppose to get sponsors.Only thing u pay for is clothes.Also When you get there there is money when you win.Dont be callin it a scam cuz youre daughter didnt win.Cuz I bet Most of you didnt even read the papers good.Cuz 'coures they want some moneydo u really think it is free especially in this economy.Another thing Iwant you guys to think before you go talkin bout people when you dont know the real stuff.If u want to know more about pageant My email is arrow.carlissa@yahoo.com Since i was actually was in the pageant

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:20:43 10/02/13 Wed

Please do your research before competing in this pageant system. Google the name "Patty Neider" under pageant scams before giving them a penny. Patty is "your director." There are many reputable pageants out there, but this does not appear to be one of them. And, unless you can attend the Nationals in Orlando the week of December 12-16, 2013, and pay for an adult to accompany you (at least $1,000 for the week plus airfare) don't bother. The adult will be expected to accompany the winner on all trips to Disney World, Sea World or wherever at their own expense. Besides, most kids have SCHOOL and all national pageants are run in the year of reign - 2014 - not 2013. Other red flags include their scoring system. The first two areas of competition determine the Top Ten. Then ALL SCORES ARE ROLLED BACK TO ZERO and the winner is determined by a SINGLE QUESTION. So, no matter how well you do overall, it will NOT determine the winner. To me, this leaves a lot of room for winner manipulation. The expensive entry fee of $495 includes nothing besides "training" and the optional photogenic fee of $125 is ridiculous. Don't be mislead by the offer of free photos - only the "sitting" is free. You need to pay big bucks to get the photos. Besides, this isn't even a state title, just a city title. Check around. Nearly all entry fees include an opening number dress, reception, gift bag, and so on. Check out other pageant listings for Minnesota and you'll see that the reputable ones have their own sponsors. These sponsors award prizes to the contestants and winners, such as coaching packages, discounts on pageant wear, discounts on photography, hair and makeup services, scholarships, personal training packages, and so on. This pageant has absolutely no sponsors whatsoever (maybe they don't want their names associated with it). Another red flag is that this pageant is not associated with any charities or platforms. This is highly unusual. And, there are no appearances arranged for the winners after the pageant. The winners are "on their own." Again, finally, there is nothing stated about returning for the 2015 pageant to crown a successor. Usually, these expenses are always included in the winners' prize packages. Who's to say they'll be back? Reputable pageants return year after year. I encourage you to do your own research and decide before you shell out a ton of money, especially when the entire pageant hinges on one question. What if there are only 8 contestants? Everyone makes the Top Ten and you might as well show up in your pajamas, answer the question and move on. For all you know, the winner has been predetermined and you are just helping to pay for their vacation. Please be careful and do your research. Then you can make an informed decision with all of the facts before you end up losing a lot of money and shattering your daughter's dreams. This pageant is very sketchy. Consider yourself warned.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:20:59 10/02/13 Wed

>Please do your research before competing in this
>pageant system. Google the name "Patty Neider" under
>pageant scams before giving them a penny. Patty is
>"your director." There are many reputable pageants
>out there, but this does not appear to be one of them.
> And, unless you can attend the Nationals in Orlando
>the week of December 12-16, 2013, and pay for an adult
>to accompany you (at least $1,000 for the week plus
>airfare) don't bother. The adult will be expected to
>accompany the winner on all trips to Disney World, Sea
>World or wherever at their own expense. Besides, most
>kids have SCHOOL and all national pageants are run in
>the year of reign - 2014 - not 2013. Other red
>flags include their scoring system. The first two
>areas of competition determine the Top Ten. Then ALL
>SCORES ARE ROLLED BACK TO ZERO and the winner is
>determined by a SINGLE QUESTION. So, no matter how
>well you do overall, it will NOT determine the winner.
> To me, this leaves a lot of room for winner
>manipulation. The expensive entry fee of $495
>includes nothing besides "training" and the optional
>photogenic fee of $125 is ridiculous. Don't be
>mislead by the offer of free photos - only the
>"sitting" is free. You need to pay big bucks to get
>the photos. Besides, this isn't even a state title,
>just a city title. Check around. Nearly all entry
>fees include an opening number dress, reception, gift
>bag, and so on. Check out other pageant listings for
>Minnesota and you'll see that the reputable ones have
>their own sponsors. These sponsors award prizes to
>the contestants and winners, such as coaching
>packages, discounts on pageant wear, discounts on
>photography, hair and makeup services, scholarships,
>personal training packages, and so on. This pageant
>has absolutely no sponsors whatsoever (maybe they
>don't want their names associated with it). Another
>red flag is that this pageant is not associated with
>any charities or platforms. This is highly unusual.
>And, there are no appearances arranged for the winners
>after the pageant. The winners are "on their own."
>Again, finally, there is nothing stated about
>returning for the 2015 pageant to crown a successor.
>Usually, these expenses are always included in the
>winners' prize packages. Who's to say they'll be
>back? Reputable pageants return year after year. I
>encourage you to do your own research and decide
>before you shell out a ton of money, especially when
>the entire pageant hinges on one question. What if
>there are only 8 contestants? Everyone makes the Top
>Ten and you might as well show up in your pajamas,
>answer the question and move on. For all you know,
>the winner has been predetermined and you are just
>helping to pay for their vacation. Please be careful
>and do your research. Then you can make an informed
>decision with all of the facts before you end up
>losing a lot of money and shattering your daughter's
>dreams. This pageant is very sketchy. Consider
>yourself warned.

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