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Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 06:55:45 06/20/03 Fri

Does anyone know anything about this pageant system? My daughters received a letter to go to an information session and that it costs nothing for the contestants. We went, they were interviewed and then told all about getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find anything on the web about them. Both daughters have done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise choice, any help would be appreciated!

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:47:03 01/21/04 Wed

>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>choice, any help would be appreciated!

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:42:18 02/19/04 Thu

My daugher received a letter for this pageant also. She has been accepted. However, I can not find anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I researched and found that to not be true. The pageant claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one server out there that can pull it up. This seems to be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your take?

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:01 02/25/04 Wed

Definitely not a money pit. My daughter is the current Miss Pre-Teen America. She was crowned in December in Orlando, Florida at the National Pageant. We did not spend any of our own money, but obtained corporate sponsors. Her prizes included a new car, and a cruise. It is a great confidence builder for young girls at the local and national levels. The judges were all well known entertainers/or industry people. The pageant is based as much on inner beauty as poise and confidence. It was a very positive experience.

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[> [> [> [> Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:20:27 10/02/06 Mon

Hi there, my daughter Serenity (97) won second runner up yesterday (10-01-06) in the local Miss Green Bay pageant and can now go to the Nationals in Florida (Sponsor indorsed). This was her first pageant ever and it really seems to have helped build her self confidence. Would it be possible for your daughter (winner of the nationals) to contact (via e-mail) my daughter to ask her a few questions? It would be very much appreciated.
Thank you, Kimberly

kknight@mcw.edu

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:44:12 03/07/07 Wed

hi my name is melissa matias and im 1st runner up for the nationals i wish every one good luck and i will pray for every one. :)

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 17:01:45 03/18/07 Sun

>hi my name is melissa matias and im 1st runner up for
>the nationals i wish every one good luck and i will
>pray for every one. :)
this pagent is a scam and i cant believe i felt for it it says it free but its not its acuaully $497 just to enter than $198 just for pics so im tellimg u not to join also because when u get to florida they tell u its a $1000 more dollars....
love always,catherine sharlene hislop

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:00:57 12/21/08 Sun

This is a total scam!! BEWARE the owner of nationals inc is a registered sex offender. That is why it is not listed as a beauty pagent. He has it listed as a consulting service. He was busted for kiddie porn! Everything they told us was a lie. My daughter won for miss pre-teen and we never got to Orlando. They told us everything was paid for and go pick up our tickets. We went to pick them up all packed and ready to go and there were no tickets. We tried calling them and their number had been disconnected. We also ordered Several hundred dollars worth of pictures and never recieved any. "NOT ONE PICTURE". About two months later they sent me a letter asking if my daughter would like to compete in a pageant in another town but this time they weanted $1297.00! I have contacted the local and federal authorities they said they have been after these guy's for quite some time now. They said he was using kid's that had won pictures to make fake porn with their faces!! He is a sick sick man!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:22 01/05/09 Mon

It is a pure SCAM! I was able to call them and reached them at 800-454-3420. The problem is they do not give prizes they promised and saying now that we did not read papers correctly and prize of $20,000.00 is a prize paid to all girls across the states and to the winner that would only include a crown, trophy, banner and trip to Orlando (which I have not received any info about). It is just a scam.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:15:32 04/30/09 Thu

>It is a pure SCAM! I was able to call them and reached
>them at 800-454-3420. The problem is they do not give
>prizes they promised and saying now that we did not
>read papers correctly and prize of $20,000.00 is a
>prize paid to all girls across the states and to the
>winner that would only include a crown, trophy, banner
>and trip to Orlando (which I have not received any
>info about). It is just a scam.
I agree with you.I WAS ONE OF THE RUNNER UP FOR THE MISS MILWAUKEE PAGENT AND WHAT THEY WROTE IN THE LETTER IS DIFFERENT, WHEN U WIN.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:18:45 10/02/13 Wed

Any pageant that charges $495 without providing services beyond "training" is a money pit. Photogenic optional fees are never $125. The scoring system is bogus. No matter how well you perform in the first two categories, your title hinges on the final questions with all scores being rolled back to zero. This pageant offers no platform, no charitable affiliation, no sponsors, no arranged appearances for the winners and says absolutely nothing about returning the following year to crown a successor. And no pageant on earth is going to expect preliminary winners to compete in a national pageant with only SIX WEEKS to prepare during the school year. Do you really expect kids to miss a week of school to compete? Right before the holidays? I think the directors are merely trying to insure their own Merry Christmas. Shameful and Ridiculous!

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 11:07:59 10/15/04 Fri

>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>take?

my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA. IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN. WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE $500.00 PER CONTESTANT.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:38:30 10/18/04 Mon

This pageant system is on the up and up. About 3 years ago my grandughter competed in it in the Pittsburgh area and won overall Photogenic. She went to the Nationals in Orlando, Florida in December of that year and all of her expenses were paid. It was a well run pageant as far as I can determine. Of course she didn't place at the nationals, but that was not the problem of the directors or the pageant. We have been to "well documented and representated pageant systems" and found them not to be as credible as this one was. Hats off to COA!!!!!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:21:26 02/16/07 Fri

>Not only is this a scam but when we did get to the hotel last year in orland we had to pay for everything. The $60,000 grand prize does not exist., I am the mother of the winner when we went to collect our check it was for $600.00 which did not even cover costs
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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 22:55:48 11/22/04 Mon

>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>>take?
>
>
>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.

So get out of pageants. that's an easy way to avoid being taken.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:09:07 07/02/07 Mon

>>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>>researched and found that to not be true. The
>pageant
>>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the
>one
>>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is
>your
>>>take?
>>
>>
>>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.
>
>
>So get out of pageants. that's an easy way to avoid
>being taken.
>>Hi. My name is joanna,, i entered 2 of my daughter to this pagent and payed over 2000.00 on cost alone on there pagent...with out cost of clothes and travel and everything els that they charged..I totaly agree with you. They charged me 149.00 for pictures when i receive them they were in a cd, what the hell i was expecting pictures not no cds. They also told me since i had was getting the pics for both my girls i would only pay 1/2 prise on the pics. until this day i still have not received any discount..not only have i not received the discount,,but i also received the cds damaged,,one scratched and the other cracked. so until today 7/2/07 i still have not been able to see the pics. They should be ashamed of them selfs... I have been calling them to complain. on the cds that i received, noone is ever available. i have left message after message and they have not returned my call. They also explained to all the girls and family at the interduction that only halfof the girl would complete and qualify to compete in the pagent on the day of the pagent every girl that was at the interduction was also at the competition. I think they are a very big scam. I also reveiced a letter saying that my girls also quafy to go to Florida but i would have to pay another $2,000.00 for travel expenses. I strongly believve that they are a total scam and we should be refunded for all the money that we spent..the only good thing about it was my girls got experience. they promised alot of thing...about making friends and new people..which is not true..I think people should know what this compnay does and they should be reported. they are wrong and they are a scam..

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:05:32 07/25/07 Wed

First of all Joanna, I have to say I am apalled at your misspelled words and lack of any decorum. I mean if you are going to try to get your point accross, use the big words ONLY if you can ACTUALLY SPELL THEM! My daughter was in the Buffalo Pageant and it was an absolute wonderful learning experience. She did not place but that definately did not discourage her, she is already talking about the next pageant. How can you get away with calling this company a scam???? They deliver exactly what they promise , and if your daughters did not meet new people and make new friends did you happen to stop and think that maybe you might have something to do with it???? Look at your attitude! Did you ever stop and read the information booklet they hand out to you at the information session. Everything is practically spelled out to you in it, and nothing including the price is hidden. I also purchased the photo cd for my daughter ( and it says PHOTO CD on the order form!) and I already viewed the pics at the pageant so I know what I am getting. Did you ever stop and think that scratched and cracked CDs might have something to do with the Postal Service??? Oh right I forgot you are perfect, just look at your message. Just a word of advice, if you would actually spend as much time with your children teaching them social skills as you do complaining and bashing this company, maybe your children would of had a better experience than what you said they did. Oh and its good to know you will not have your daughters attend the Orlando Pageant because your poor disposition will ruin anyone else's chance to have an enjoyable experience.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:57:56 06/29/10 Tue

Do you work for them?

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 19:58:10 09/09/05 Fri

I really dont know if it is a money pit or not but i got a letter I have just turned 13 and I checked it out im really not that kinda gurl but yes i still got on the computer to check everything out I wasnt gonna ask to go entill i knew what it was well i got on the web site (and it sounds like I was on of the few)and looked at the pagents and most of it was annoying little pop-ups then I clicked on photos, there is were I went wrong...THE F**KIN FIRST THING THAT LOADED COMPLETELY WAS WANNA GET LAID TONITE AND SEX PICS AND ALL THAT
SHIT! I Seriosly dont recremend gettin into this you'll never
now where you're child will end up next, i mean im 13 THIRTEEN
its disgustin that their all ready sending me this kind of mail, im sry about my letter Patty U FUCKIN BICH! YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME FUCKIN SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:51:16 10/04/05 Tue

i don't know what this is either. I got the same letter today. I don't know if it's a scam or not. I'm not that girl who would do this but I may want to do this. Hpefully it's not a scam. I have to check it out with my parents. I don't know we'll see.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 11:31:22 04/28/07 Sat

>I really dont know if it is a money pit or not but i
>got a letter I have just turned 13 and I checked it
>out im really not that kinda gurl but yes i still got
>on the computer to check everything out I wasnt gonna
>ask to go entill i knew what it was well i got on the
>web site (and it sounds like I was on of the few)and
>looked at the pagents and most of it was annoying
>little pop-ups then I clicked on photos, there is were
>I went wrong...THE F**KIN FIRST THING THAT LOADED
>COMPLETELY WAS WANNA GET LAID TONITE AND SEX PICS AND
>ALL THAT
> SHIT! I Seriosly dont recremend gettin into this
>you'll never
>now where you're child will end up next, i mean im 13
>THIRTEEN
> its disgustin that their all ready sending me this
>kind of mail, im sry about my letter Patty U FUCKIN
>BICH! YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME FUCKIN
>SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT IS F**KIN TRUE

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 22:01:39 01/06/07 Sat

my daughter Marisa won first runner up Miss Photogenic, in her age group 2 years ago at the Nationals, and she won a trip to Florida to compete in Cities of America, where she made new friends, won trophies and had the time of her life. have ant questions, email me, lostndnswife@yahoo.com.. her mom Rachelle

>>My daugher received a letter for this pageant also.
>>She has been accepted. However, I can not find
>>anything about them on the web. Nothing. Patty
>>Neider, the coordinator said she was Mrs. America. I
>>researched and found that to not be true. The pageant
>>claims to have a website, however, no one can pull it
>>up. They say it is our server. Well, which is the one
>>server out there that can pull it up. This seems to
>>be a money pit. Has anyone participated? What is your
>>take?
>
>
>my niece competed in this pageant in baton rouge,LA.
>IT IS A MONEY PIT. THEY TOLD US AT THE FIRST MEETING
>THAT ONLY A FEW GIRLS WOULD BE PICKED TO COMPETE IN
>THIS PAGEANT. WE COMPETED AGINST 300 GIRLS IN OUR
>GROUP ALONG. WE WERE NOT EVEN PICKED IN THE TOP TEN.
>WELL LAST WEEK WE GOT A NOTE STATING THAT HER SCORES
>QUALIFY HER FOR THE "NATIONALS IN FLORDIA" BUT WE HAD
>TO PAY ANOTHER 1000.00 DOLLARS. THIS PAGEANT IS A
>SCAM.THEY LIED ABOUT THE PAGEANT FROM THE BEGINNG. THE
>SAID THEY WILL PAY FOR THE TOP 5 GIRLS FROM EACH GROUP
>TO GO TO FLORDIA. THAT'S A LIE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE
>$500.00 PER CONTESTANT.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:39:00 09/19/05 Mon

>My daughter also received a letter like that and I contacted the Mrs. America pageant representative and was told that in the 29 years of the pageant, they have never had a Patty Neidert hold the Mrs. America title. I also checked with the BBB in PA and they have had 6 complaints against Nationals Inc. in the last 36 months all whicha have been resolved. My daughter is 18 and I gave her all the information that I had and she has decided not to pursue the pageant. Please be aware and research all you can. I found the Nationals Incorporated web site but it did not offer much information.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:02:50 10/21/05 Fri

its patty neidert. i did the pageant this year.. it was super fun! one of my good friends i made there won. she is super cool.. LOVE YA ALI! love ya..! allana!

good luck in florida

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 05:17:08 04/28/07 Sat

My daughter was accepted also. The web site is www.manchesterpageant.com I also have tried to look up Patty Neidert, and Mrs. America and she has NEVER been on the list of winners!!! I am suspicious as well even though we have begun securing sponsors.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:22:20 09/27/09 Sun

My daughter received the same letter. I tried to pull up the website as well, and all it shows are pictures and metions very little about anything. No cost is mentioned and there are no links to follow to find out anything. If they are legit, you would think they would have a more professional website that would give the information needed. It just seems like a money-making scam to me by not being able to find out enough information.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 07:58:17 06/22/04 Tue

>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>choice, any help would be appreciated!

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:02:08 07/12/04 Mon

>>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>>My daughters received a letter to go to an
>information
>>>session and that it costs nothing for the
>contestants.
>>>We went, they were interviewed and then told ***
>about
>>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to
>do
>>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>>choice, any help would be appreciated!

I am the current Miss Jr. Teen New York City, I obtained my title in Novemeber of 2003. I did NOT spent any of my own money, and received a full expense pain trip to Orlando in December 2004 to compete for the National title. I encourage you to enter this pageant. It was a great experiance for me, and a memorable night....long but memorable.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 16:30:05 08/16/05 Tue

>>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>>choice, any help would be appreciated!

hello I'm one who is interested in this pagent and was wondering if anyone knew anythinga abot it please email me at bison_babe_326@yahoo.com

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:34:57 03/30/09 Mon

For everybody's Information their website is Nationalsincorporated.com you dumb bells all you hav to do is search it or Google Cities of America Pageant.Another thing this is not a scam cuz I won 1st runner up in the city division and now Iget to go to Orlando cuz your not suppose to pay for nothing you are suppose to get sponsors.Only thing u pay for is clothes.Also When you get there there is money when you win.Dont be callin it a scam cuz youre daughter didnt win.Cuz I bet Most of you didnt even read the papers good.Cuz 'coures they want some moneydo u really think it is free especially in this economy.Another thing Iwant you guys to think before you go talkin bout people when you dont know the real stuff.If u want to know more about pageant My email is arrow.carlissa@yahoo.com Since i was actually was in the pageant

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:20:43 10/02/13 Wed

Please do your research before competing in this pageant system. Google the name "Patty Neider" under pageant scams before giving them a penny. Patty is "your director." There are many reputable pageants out there, but this does not appear to be one of them. And, unless you can attend the Nationals in Orlando the week of December 12-16, 2013, and pay for an adult to accompany you (at least $1,000 for the week plus airfare) don't bother. The adult will be expected to accompany the winner on all trips to Disney World, Sea World or wherever at their own expense. Besides, most kids have SCHOOL and all national pageants are run in the year of reign - 2014 - not 2013. Other red flags include their scoring system. The first two areas of competition determine the Top Ten. Then ALL SCORES ARE ROLLED BACK TO ZERO and the winner is determined by a SINGLE QUESTION. So, no matter how well you do overall, it will NOT determine the winner. To me, this leaves a lot of room for winner manipulation. The expensive entry fee of $495 includes nothing besides "training" and the optional photogenic fee of $125 is ridiculous. Don't be mislead by the offer of free photos - only the "sitting" is free. You need to pay big bucks to get the photos. Besides, this isn't even a state title, just a city title. Check around. Nearly all entry fees include an opening number dress, reception, gift bag, and so on. Check out other pageant listings for Minnesota and you'll see that the reputable ones have their own sponsors. These sponsors award prizes to the contestants and winners, such as coaching packages, discounts on pageant wear, discounts on photography, hair and makeup services, scholarships, personal training packages, and so on. This pageant has absolutely no sponsors whatsoever (maybe they don't want their names associated with it). Another red flag is that this pageant is not associated with any charities or platforms. This is highly unusual. And, there are no appearances arranged for the winners after the pageant. The winners are "on their own." Again, finally, there is nothing stated about returning for the 2015 pageant to crown a successor. Usually, these expenses are always included in the winners' prize packages. Who's to say they'll be back? Reputable pageants return year after year. I encourage you to do your own research and decide before you shell out a ton of money, especially when the entire pageant hinges on one question. What if there are only 8 contestants? Everyone makes the Top Ten and you might as well show up in your pajamas, answer the question and move on. For all you know, the winner has been predetermined and you are just helping to pay for their vacation. Please be careful and do your research. Then you can make an informed decision with all of the facts before you end up losing a lot of money and shattering your daughter's dreams. This pageant is very sketchy. Consider yourself warned.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:20:59 10/02/13 Wed

>Please do your research before competing in this
>pageant system. Google the name "Patty Neider" under
>pageant scams before giving them a penny. Patty is
>"your director." There are many reputable pageants
>out there, but this does not appear to be one of them.
> And, unless you can attend the Nationals in Orlando
>the week of December 12-16, 2013, and pay for an adult
>to accompany you (at least $1,000 for the week plus
>airfare) don't bother. The adult will be expected to
>accompany the winner on all trips to Disney World, Sea
>World or wherever at their own expense. Besides, most
>kids have SCHOOL and all national pageants are run in
>the year of reign - 2014 - not 2013. Other red
>flags include their scoring system. The first two
>areas of competition determine the Top Ten. Then ALL
>SCORES ARE ROLLED BACK TO ZERO and the winner is
>determined by a SINGLE QUESTION. So, no matter how
>well you do overall, it will NOT determine the winner.
> To me, this leaves a lot of room for winner
>manipulation. The expensive entry fee of $495
>includes nothing besides "training" and the optional
>photogenic fee of $125 is ridiculous. Don't be
>mislead by the offer of free photos - only the
>"sitting" is free. You need to pay big bucks to get
>the photos. Besides, this isn't even a state title,
>just a city title. Check around. Nearly all entry
>fees include an opening number dress, reception, gift
>bag, and so on. Check out other pageant listings for
>Minnesota and you'll see that the reputable ones have
>their own sponsors. These sponsors award prizes to
>the contestants and winners, such as coaching
>packages, discounts on pageant wear, discounts on
>photography, hair and makeup services, scholarships,
>personal training packages, and so on. This pageant
>has absolutely no sponsors whatsoever (maybe they
>don't want their names associated with it). Another
>red flag is that this pageant is not associated with
>any charities or platforms. This is highly unusual.
>And, there are no appearances arranged for the winners
>after the pageant. The winners are "on their own."
>Again, finally, there is nothing stated about
>returning for the 2015 pageant to crown a successor.
>Usually, these expenses are always included in the
>winners' prize packages. Who's to say they'll be
>back? Reputable pageants return year after year. I
>encourage you to do your own research and decide
>before you shell out a ton of money, especially when
>the entire pageant hinges on one question. What if
>there are only 8 contestants? Everyone makes the Top
>Ten and you might as well show up in your pajamas,
>answer the question and move on. For all you know,
>the winner has been predetermined and you are just
>helping to pay for their vacation. Please be careful
>and do your research. Then you can make an informed
>decision with all of the facts before you end up
>losing a lot of money and shattering your daughter's
>dreams. This pageant is very sketchy. Consider
>yourself warned.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:58:03 08/04/04 Wed

ANYONE WHO DID NOT SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY ON THIS IS QUITE RARE! YES , THIS IS A MONEY PIT. MY DAUGHTER WAS IN THIS PAGEANT SYSTEM BACK IN 2002 , AND HER FRIEND WAS IN IT IN 2001. THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT IT WAS THE DIRECTOR AND EMCEE FROM 2001!! WE PUT ALL OF OUR MONEY INTO THIS IN 2002 AND WAS QUITE A RIP-OFF. THE OFFICE PERSONAL WERE MORONS, AND I HEARD THE OWNER COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE CONTESTANTS! QUITE A FEW PEOPLE I KNEW DID SOME DIGGING ABOUT THE OWNER , AND WE WILL BE POSTING THIS INFO SOON , AND IT IS NOT GOOD!!!!!

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 01:17:07 12/10/04 Fri

If you were sent a letter in the mail for a sit down session on how to raise money for them! Then that should tell you something. Stay away from pageant systems like this because your making them money. I would never raise $500 for no system no matter how big the crown was. I'd stay away so be smart!

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:18:18 05/24/05 Tue

Hi I will attending the pageant in December as well. I have not spent any of MY money, and look forward to competing in the pageant.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 07:19:02 06/11/05 Sat

Could someone help me? I recieved a letter in the mail stating that i was eligible to participate in the 2005 St. Louis Pagent. I went to the web site on the letter they sent me and it was no help. I can't find any thing on this pagent. So could someone who knows anything about the pagent please e-mail me at bmhuse@aol.com or bmhuse@hotmail.com.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 08:57:54 07/09/05 Sat

I was recently crowned Miss Teen Pensacola. It is a great experience and to think it cost nothing to compete. I received sponsors from local buisnesses, family members and friends. There is a interview session (which is VERY important) casual wear, formal wear, and a question (that is told to you before hand) Afterwards the top ten finalist are selected. Then your required to pull a UNKNOWN question out of an envelope and the scores are back down to zero (so anyone could win depending on your answer) They have a miss photogenic in each age division and a miss congieniality. I will be competing in the Miss Citites of America pageant in the month of December (16-21) wish me luck and I hope I was of some assistance to you. Good Luck sweetie.

Vida Sheffield

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 16:29:53 08/08/05 Mon

My daughter has gotten a letter also and she can't find any information on the pageant now she is worried that it's a scam but she really hopes that it isn't a scam because she has never been to pagent and she really wants to go, but now I would like to make sure that it's legal and not a scam.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 21:06:55 10/21/05 Fri

Hello. I am into a lot of acting and modeling, and i was in this pageant this year. I think it was on the up and up.. and all. i competed for miss jr. teen, ali morisette who was one of my friends won. who was your daughter? maybe i know her!

Love,
Allana

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 07:43:32 07/29/06 Sat

Pagents usually need business sponsors, that is how they are run, it is all about exposure, for the contestant and for the business.
Has anyone thought that maybe Patty Neidert might have a different last name that she won the crown under?
I thought she said she won pageants, not specifically the Miss America.
Next, I think some of the people that are complaining might be ones that lost, and their poor sportsmanship conduct is showing.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 06:46:34 11/06/06 Mon

>Pagents usually need business sponsors, that is how
>they are run, it is all about exposure, for the
>contestant and for the business.
>Has anyone thought that maybe Patty Neidert might have
>a different last name that she won the crown under?
>I thought she said she won pageants, not specifically
>the Miss America.
>Next, I think some of the people that are complaining
>might be ones that lost, and their poor sportsmanship
>conduct is showing.

MY DAUGHTER PLACED IN THE TOP TEN AND I WOULD NOT RECOMEND THIS PAGEANT. IT IS AMONEY PIT. MS MICHIGAN AND MS USA9OR AMERICA WERE THERE I CAN NOT REMEMBER WHICH0 AND THEY TO SAID THAT THIS PAGEANT WAS NOT A RUN RIGHT AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT ALL THEY CARED ABOUT WAS MONEY. THEY DID NOT CARE ABOUT HOW IT WAS RUN OR THE GIRLS. THEY HAVE LIED ABOUT MANY THINGS. I COULD POST ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT I HAD AND THEN ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT MS MICHIGAN TOLD ME ABOUT THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE REALIZED WERE PROBLEMS BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR FIRST PAGEANT AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEM BUT IT WOULD TAKE A WHOLE PAGE. MS MICHIGAN IS PLANNING ON REPORTING THEM AND SO AM I. PLEASE, PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THIS. NONE OF IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR MY DAUGHTER. THE REHERSAL WAS A TOKEN EFFORT AND DID VERY LITTLE GOOD FOR THE GIRLS, THERE WAS NO PLACE FOR THE GIRLS TO GET READY, WE HAD TO GET MY DUAGHTER READY IN A BATHROON AT MONGOLIAN GRILL BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY ENOUGH ROOM IN THE DRESSING ROOM FOR NOT EVEN HALF OF THE CONTESTANTS. THE PAGEANT WAS OVER 4 HOURS LONG.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 06:54:16 11/06/06 Mon

>Next, I think some of the people that are complaining
>might be ones that lost, and their poor sportsmanship
>conduct is showing.
IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT MOST OF THE POSITIVE REPLIES ARE FROM GIRLS WHO WON, OFCOARSE IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THEM.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 11:16:00 09/03/06 Sun

My daughter has recieved flyers in the mail and I can not even find the website that was listed in the flyer. What is the real deal with this?
Mom in Rockingham, NC

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 20:52:56 09/09/06 Sat

Patty Neidert said that she was crowned Miss America. She didn't give the year or anything. All she said was that she has competed in over 35 pageants and won 11. She told a story about her answer to the question that won her the title of Miss America. "I'd like to find out what my real hair color is." I've researched this for over an hour now and it doesn't say that she'd ever been crowned Miss America. I don't know if this is a scam or not, but I will make sure because I'll find out if I was accepted into the pageant or not on Wednesday.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 15:32:27 09/21/06 Thu

My daughter was involved with this pageant. She had no experience before this one. She was the photogenic winner for the pre-team and went to Orlnado for the Nationals.
The workers at the Rosen Center and staff from the Pageant was very nice. They put on a wekk of excitement for the families.
My daughter walked a way with the confidence to continue and has gone on to win many trophies and tiaras. She is 19 now and judging for Sunburst Pageant and enjoying it. She still participates in other pageants with confidence. Nationals gave her that first step. As a mother I also support this pageant company. And Patty is a peach!!!!!!

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 07:19:06 09/26/06 Tue

>My daughter was involved with this pageant. She had no
>experience before this one. She was the photogenic
>winner for the pre-team and went to Orlnado for the
>Nationals.
>The workers at the Rosen Center and staff from the
>Pageant was very nice. They put on a wekk of
>excitement for the families.
>My daughter walked a way with the confidence to
>continue and has gone on to win many trophies and
>tiaras. She is 19 now and judging for Sunburst Pageant
>and enjoying it. She still participates in other
>pageants with confidence. Nationals gave her that
>first step. As a mother I also support this pageant
>company. And Patty is a peach!!!!!!

My daughter participated inthe pageant in Xenia, Ohio. It was sorta cheesy, not may decorations. I wouldn't call it a scam but it was not put together well. Patty indicated she would be there and she wasn't. I'd like to know more as well.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:36:15 10/02/06 Mon

My daughter was in yesterdays (10-01-06) pageant in Green Bay WI and it was all up and up. We did not spend one penny but did have to get sponsors. This was her first pageant ever and it really help build her self confidience.
There is a interview session (which is VERY important) casual wear, formal wear, and a question (that is told to you before hand) Afterwards the top ten finalist are selected. Then your required to pull a UNKNOWN question out of an envelope and the scores are back down to zero (so anyone could win depending on your answer). She will be competing in the Nationals Florida in Dec and if there would be any young girls out there that would be interested in answering any questions she may have could you please contact us. Thank you, Kimberly
kknight@mcw.edu

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:42:16 10/02/06 Mon

My daughter was in yesterdays (10-01-06) pageant in
Green Bay WI and it was all up and up. She won 2nd runner up and we did not spend one penny but did have to get sponsors. This was her first pageant ever and it really help build her self confidience.
There is a interview session (which is VERY important)
casual wear, formal wear, and a question (that is told
to you before hand) Afterwards the top ten finalist
are selected. Then your required to pull a UNKNOWN
question out of an envelope and the scores are back
down to zero (so anyone could win depending on your
answer). She will be competing in the Nationals
Florida, if there would be any young girls
out there that would be interested in answering any
questions she may have could you please contact us.
Thank you,
kknight@mcw.edu

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:38:31 10/02/06 Mon

>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>anything on the web about them. Both daughters have
>done a few glitz and non glitz pageants and want to do
>this one. I am not feeling so sure it is a wise
>choice, any help would be appreciated!

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:11:55 11/20/06 Mon

i'm accepted into this and it'll be going down in december... i dont really want to hand these people $500, but ive heard hugely different reviews on this one site... now i'm totally confused.

seems like the girls who did well loved the whole experience, and those who lost only remembered to negative parts... i'll probably lose.. so i dont know what to do!!

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:53:58 12/15/06 Fri

>The experience for first time people can be kind of nerve wrecking. you want to find as much information about the pageant as you can but the reality of it is that the information is not there. if you dont actually go to the information session and listen for yourself you wont know. by excepting the invitation and attending the session is how you will find out if its a scam or not. me i knew it was all about money but i wanted to participate anyways. i had never participated in anything like this beforehand plus i was getting older so i thought it would be a great opportunity.. they say that there is no experienced needed and they will teach you everything you need to know to win but the fact of the matter is they really dont. for those who dont catch on that fast it definitely takes more than an hour or two to learn how to walk properly. i made it to the top ten.. when you are a top ten finalists they pay your way into nationals competition but.. you still have to find your way there and back.. pay your own hotel expenses which is very expensive because they require all contestants to stay at the rosen hotel.. and they must have a chaperone.. staying there could cost up to i think it was about 600 for the contestant and more than that for the chaperone. although i got a bid to go on i decided not to compete in the next level because when it all boils down all your doing is investing more and more money that all of ppl dont have and your not guaranteed a win. the experience is great but if you really think about it your paying for a crown thats the reality of it.. why pay all this money just so someone to tell you your beautiful u shouldnt have to pay anything to be crowned beautiful.. your beauty came without a price so why do u have to pay to be called as such.. patty wasnt there like she said she will be.. she was probably going around giving other young girls false hopes.. its all about inner beauty and that was a bunch of bullcrap.. i met so many girls who were so innocent and beautiful inside maybe not as much so on the outside who should have at least made it to the top ten at least...and furthermore you pay all this money and you get nothing..nothing but a piece of paper that says thanks for participating it should say thanks for giving us all your money.. everyone should have at least gotten a trophy didnt they deserve that i mean they didnt pay $500 how much could a trophy possibly cost.. not to mention many of the girls paid for miss photogenic which was like 125 more..all this money.. i say its a scam as with lots of other things in the world but its up to the person to really decide if this is something they would like to invest in..

Columbus, Ohio finalist (August 27, 2006)

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:50:19 03/26/07 Mon

I do not know anything about the other cities in America, but in Phoenix, Arizona it was a total scam. The pageant went on for over 5 hours without a break. Suppossedly, the girls were be being judged. Well at one point during the junior teen teen formal wear, which is the division my daughter was in, I noticed that only TWO judges were present for over 40 of the girls. Apparently the top ten is already picked prior to the formal wear competition. How else can you explain the failure of proper judging procedures. I am going to file a complaint with the better business bureau as well as let everyone know about this pageant in Phoenix, Arizona. The Nationals Pageant I am referring to occurred on March 25th 2007 at Shadow Mountain High School. Anyone else who has had the same type of experience please email me at kowalskiphnx@hotmail.com

Sincerely,
David L Kowalski

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 08:21:32 05/23/07 Wed

My daughter was in one of National's pageants last year and although she did not win, she loved every minute of it. You can tell that the young ladies are not chosen ahead of time, the panel of judges are from our own area and if the judges panel was not full, then you can blame them for obviously not finding it important enough to show up or care for their youth. The judges panel on our pageant day was full, and they were all wonderful. My daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the pageant and she did. As long as you follow the instructions given to you, the pageant experience was very rewarding and has shown my daughter that personality and whats inside is just as or more important than one's appearance. I would definately recommend this pageant to anyone looking for a wonderful learning experience for their young lady.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:20:12 07/07/07 Sat

>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young ladies are
chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was full,
so you can blame them for obviously finding it>important enough to show up or care.
my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water, and her daughter didn't even place.
she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many intermissions.
my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and have a good looking kid and one with personality and just has a good time being a girl you should be proud. you certainly don't need a pageant to tell y ou that.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:38 07/18/07 Wed

>>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss
>photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young
>ladies are
> chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't
>even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all
>paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was full,
> so you can blame them for obviously finding
>it>important enough to show up or care.
>my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water
>and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the
>pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls
>in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water,
>and her daughter didn't even place.
>she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot
>she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and
>lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many
>intermissions.
>my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone
>numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and
>have a good looking kid and one with personality and
>just has a good time being a girl you should be proud.
> you certainly don't need a pageant to tell y ou that.
It's wonderful to see that the people who think they know the most actually know the least. The judges are VOLUNTEERS. I have been a judge. We are not paid. We get a lunch, PERIOD. No gas money, no pay. But I have gotten something every time. I get to see the girls who know why they are doing this have a great time. It's a learning experience, people. Your kids need to learn that LIFE WILL NOT BE PERFECT. They need to learn that THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THEM. Do your kids play sports? Do they win EVERY GAME ?? Do your kids a favor a get the point. By the way, it's not a scam. I've judged 3 times; I ask to be called back. Sure it's on my own time, but that's what makes it so rewarding to me. I'm not patting myself on the back, but I guess I have a grip on why we are here on this earth. Another by the way. When our age division(meaning the one we are not judging) is not on stage we are allowed to get up and go potty, for crying out loud. We do NOT have to remain at the table for all age divisions...same way in the BIG Pageants. do yourself and your kid a favor, until you have a handle on productive parenting, better to just stay at home and whine.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:00:15 09/14/07 Fri

>>>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>>>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss
>>photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young
>>ladies are
>> chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't
>>even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all
>>paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was
>full,
>> so you can blame them for obviously finding
>>it>important enough to show up or care.
>>my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water
>>and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the
>>pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls
>>in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water,
>>and her daughter didn't even place.
>>she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot
>>she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and
>>lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many
>>intermissions.
>>my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone
>>numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and
>>have a good looking kid and one with personality and
>>just has a good time being a girl you should be proud.
>> you certainly don't need a pageant to tell you that.
>

It's wonderful to see that the people who think they
>know the most actually know the least. The judges are
>VOLUNTEERS. I have been a judge. We are not paid. We
>get a lunch, PERIOD. No gas money, no pay. But I have
>gotten something every time. I get to see the girls
>who know why they are doing this have a great time.
>It's a learning experience, people. Your kids need to
>learn that LIFE WILL NOT BE PERFECT. They need to
>learn that THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THEM. Do
>your kids play sports? Do they win EVERY GAME ?? Do
>your kids a favor a get the point. By the way, it's
>not a scam. I've judged 3 times; I ask to be called
>back. Sure it's on my own time, but that's what makes
>it so rewarding to me. I'm not patting myself on the
>back, but I guess I have a grip on why we are here on
>this earth. Another by the way. When our age
>division(meaning the one we are not judging) is not on
>stage we are allowed to get up and go potty, for
>crying out loud. We do NOT have to remain at the
>table for all age divisions...same way in the BIG
>Pageants. do yourself and your kid a favor, until you
>have a handle on productive parenting, better to just
>stay at home and whine.

do you need to be such a bitch

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 04:22:42 07/25/07 Wed

My Daughter participated in the local National, inc competition this past weekend in Buffalo, NY. I had a bad attitude going to the information session thinking that there would be modeling agency's, etc there trying to solicit business, but it was exactly as it said. Simply information with no pressure what so ever. The pageant can certainly be costly but everything is explained very clearly. There are no surprise costs. There are probably expeses involved with putting on the production besides the obvious that we don't know about, and lets face it, this is a business, they need to make a profit. We don't think twice of paying probably triple what it costs stores for the clothes we buy. I personally was impressed with how well the pageant was organized from the information session through the production. All questions were answered and the information booklets were very well writted and explained every detail. As the previous post states, kids don't win every game they play in. As heartbreaking as it is for the kids that don't win or place, that is part of life and hopefully they will give themselves credit for getting up there on that stage in the first place. More guts than most adults have!! The other thing that I liked about this pageant (and honestly, I don't have anything to compare as this was her first pageant) is that it is truely personality based. There were no drop dead gorgeous "beauty queens" up there. Just everyday kids doing this for the excitement and experience. For most, this was their first pageant. No one was overly made up to look 10 years older and they were really judged on personality, poise, etc. I love that!

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 08:38:25 10/17/07 Wed

WELL CLEARLY I RECEIVED THE SAME LETTER AND WAS SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE...I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THIS IS ALREADY STARTING TO BE FUN FOR ME....FOR THISE OF YOU WHO ARE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THIS PAGEANT I MUST SAY YOU SOUND PRETTY IGNORANT.....MAYBE YOUR DAUGHTER DIDNT HAVE WHAT IT TOOK TO BE CROWNED OR MAYBE YOU DIDNT HELP HER WELL ENOUGH...THEREFORE SHE DID NOT GET CHOSEN.....CLEARLY IF THERE WERE CONTESTANTS THAT DID GET SOMETHING OUT OF THIS AND SAID IT WAS NOT A SCAM THAN OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PEOPLE TO VOUCH FOR THIS PAGEANT AND IT IS NOT A SCAM..SO STOP EMBARRASING YOUR SELF AND YOUR DAUGHTER(S)...

-16 YEAR OLD TEEN-

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:12:49 12/18/07 Tue

The website for Cities of America, Nationals Competition is: www.nationalsincorporated.com This website shows all aspects of the final competition in Orlando FL. If you click on the bottom right photo you can view a video. It is an accurate view of what goes on in Florida at the National level. The video is from 3 years ago (2004) but the information is still the same. The circle of photos in the middle of the website can be clicked on and show still shots with some more info. You can make your own assessment based on the information presented. Hope it helps.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 15:29:43 01/01/08 Tue

Hello everyone,

I just got back from orlando and i have just competed in the Cities of America 2007 pageant. Although the pageant was very nervewrecking and scary i had a lot of fun. In orlando you meet many new people and stay in a beautiful hotel. I was crowned in my city and i got a free trip to orlando. COA is not a money pit but i thought that at first it was too. It is very costly to go to Orlando even with my expenses paid for. Once i got there i realized how much money they need for everything (trophies,prizes,hotel,ect.). Every contestant in the COA pageant recieves a framed certificate,big trophy,and a cute diamond crown pin. Overall there were 318 girls there, and it was huge. The only thing i am very discouraged about this company is that in Orlando there are many girls who have had traning and who memorize their answers. I was very well certain that the judges would see through that but thay did not, and their whole Top 10 was based on people with "fake" personality. I was very upset because i showed my true personality and did not make it into Top 10. But, i had a very great time and made many new friends. At the information session they tell you they have many parties and such. There was only one party and that was planned on the schedule. Sorry girls but there were no pizza parties, spa days, slumber parties and such. Coa is a great company and they are very well organized. My best of luck goes out to all the girls hoping to go to orlando or who are already planning on going! Have fun and do your best! Any questions feel free to leave them on this website and i will try to answer them soon! Good luck ladies!

COA reviewer

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:41:54 05/23/08 Fri

Okay listen up everyone. I won this pageant at the local competition level and won Miss Photogenic. I then competed in the Nationals Pageant in Orlando and my fee was paid for. However, I must say that we were extremely disappointed when we arrived in Orlando to find that the last two years of winners were all competing against each other. (That saves the company money by being able to have one pageant for them all.) I've never seen so many girls in one age group competing against each other in any legitimate pageant. Also, I used to work for Nationals years after my win. I interviewed girls for this pageant and we were basically told to interview the girls, but every girl gets picked to compete. EVERY GIRL. Even if we know they don't really have a chance at winning. This pageant is focused on the money and that is all. It isn't a stepping stone to Miss USA or Miss America or anything like that so I'd steer clear.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 19:12:59 02/12/09 Thu

We participated in Ohio and it was definitely a rip off. I actually knew one of the judges (we used to work together) but he did not know my daughter. I contacted him aftwerward to find out more. He judges for other pageants incl Miss America. He said that they got very little instruction at this pageant, and that judging for this pageant is kind of an afterthought. More of a cattle call. The man that was the "chorographer" was an old guy in a sport coat (because he is fat) with a goatee who gripes and shouts at the girls. Not professional, not appropriate, not even good at what he does. The stage is just a theater stage, there is no good setup, very unimpressive. It looks like they just showed up that day and said "start!" The show itself is boring and repetitive. The ask the exact same inane question of 300 girls in a row. Unbelieveable. There were no suitable dressing room facilities for the girls. Only changing are for about 15 girls, plus a dark hot hallway which was the unsecured and unprivate dressing area for 300 girls. they sat on the dirty floor in their long dresses waiting for up to two hours to go on stage for 5 minutes. Very sad. I tried to put a good face on it, but my daughter was crying and disillusioned. She saw how phony it was and she was only 12.
I also saw a press release on the girl that ended up winning nationals and did a posting. The "sporty car" is a tiny little car of little value. It is pretty much winner take all, and it is not that much to get. The supposed "$20,000" at our city pageant was mostly discounts off the purchase of a modeling course. It was not real awards - just puffery. They sold our names and phone numbers to a modeling company who then called us and pressured us to come in and "be discovered" whilst paying $1,200 for a modeling course. The sad thing is that so many people fall for this pageant and get scammed. We did. This pageant is indeed a scam and is not the real thing.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 19:25:19 02/12/09 Thu

BY THE WAY, YOU OFFICE PEOPLE AT NATIONALS, INC. / CITIES OF AMERICA, VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE FOOLED BY THE POSITIVE POSTINGS THAT Y0U PEPPERED THIS BOARD WITH. IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS BY THE WAY THEY ARE WRITTEN THAT YOU DID THE WRITING.

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO WORK FOR THIS COMPANY. YOU KNOW THAT NATIONALS INC LIES AND LIES TO THESE GIRLS AND FAMILIES. GET AWAY FROM THIS SHAM COMPANY WHILE YOU CAN AND GET A REAL JOB DOING GOOD THINGS FOR PEOPLE INSTEAD OF LYING TO THEM AND CHEATING THEM.

EVER WONDER WHY YOUR OWNER HAS GONE OUT OF BUSINESS THREE TIMES (i have done some research). HE LEAVES PEOPLE HOLDING THE BAG AND THEN STARTS UP AGAIN UNDER A NEW NAME. HIS NAME IS JOE, RIGHT?!

EVER WONDER WHY HE SKIPS A YEAR BETWEEN CITIES. AFRAID OF AN ANGRY MOB FROM LAST YEAR, I'LL BET.

EVER WONDER WHY THERE IS NO SCHEDULE OF CITIES ON THE WEBSITE. HE IS IN AND OUT. NO TRACE. NO TAXES.

EVER WONDER WHY THE ACTUAL PRIZES TO BE GIVEN OUT ARE NOT LISTED, JUST SPOKEN. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE FLUFF.

EVER WONDER WHY YOUR PAGEANT IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU?

EVER WONDER WHY THEY ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AS A LEGITIMATE PAGEANT?

EVERY WONDER WHAT EFFECT YOU HAVE ON INNOCENT GIRLS AS YOU TALK AT YOUR INFORMATION SESSION ABOUT THE MEDIA BEING AT THEIR PAGEANT TO FILM, AND THEY CAN BE DISCOVERED. YOU KNOW THAT IS A CROC. WHY DO YOU SAY IT?

STOP FLEECING YOUNG GIRLS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:26:10 05/18/10 Tue

>BY THE WAY, YOU OFFICE PEOPLE AT NATIONALS, INC. /
>CITIES OF AMERICA, VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE FOOLED BY THE
>POSITIVE POSTINGS THAT Y0U PEPPERED THIS BOARD WITH.
>IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS BY THE WAY THEY ARE WRITTEN THAT
>YOU DID THE WRITING.
>
>YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO WORK FOR THIS COMPANY. YOU
>KNOW THAT NATIONALS INC LIES AND LIES TO THESE GIRLS
>AND FAMILIES. GET AWAY FROM THIS SHAM COMPANY WHILE
>YOU CAN AND GET A REAL JOB DOING GOOD THINGS FOR
>PEOPLE INSTEAD OF LYING TO THEM AND CHEATING THEM.
>
>EVER WONDER WHY YOUR OWNER HAS GONE OUT OF BUSINESS
>THREE TIMES (i have done some research). HE LEAVES
>PEOPLE HOLDING THE BAG AND THEN STARTS UP AGAIN UNDER
>A NEW NAME. HIS NAME IS JOE, RIGHT?!
>
>EVER WONDER WHY HE SKIPS A YEAR BETWEEN CITIES. AFRAID
>OF AN ANGRY MOB FROM LAST YEAR, I'LL BET.
>
>EVER WONDER WHY THERE IS NO SCHEDULE OF CITIES ON THE
>WEBSITE. HE IS IN AND OUT. NO TRACE. NO TAXES.
>
>EVER WONDER WHY THE ACTUAL PRIZES TO BE GIVEN OUT ARE
>NOT LISTED, JUST SPOKEN. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE
>FLUFF.
>
>EVER WONDER WHY YOUR PAGEANT IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE
>BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU?
>
>EVER WONDER WHY THEY ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AS A
>LEGITIMATE PAGEANT?
>
>EVERY WONDER WHAT EFFECT YOU HAVE ON INNOCENT GIRLS AS
>YOU TALK AT YOUR INFORMATION SESSION ABOUT THE MEDIA
>BEING AT THEIR PAGEANT TO FILM, AND THEY CAN BE
>DISCOVERED. YOU KNOW THAT IS A CROC. WHY DO YOU SAY IT?
>
>STOP FLEECING YOUNG GIRLS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AMEN and HALLELUHIAH, you have no idea how absolutely correct you are in every statement you have posted, it is a scam, it is all about the money and that's all it's about. They do lie about EVERYTHING, and if you call them, no matter who you speak to they all tell the same lies, it is drilled into their heads, they have a script concerning the lies they are supposed to tell. And whatever you do, DON'T ever think you are going to call the office and be able to speak to the "Office Manager" because she avoids getting on the phone to anyone, EVER!!! In my opinion they are absolutely corrupt in every single aspect of this so called business. Stay away, tell everyone you know to stay away, shut them down once and for all.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 14:03:54 08/27/09 Thu

My daughter just got her acceptance letter and I am in the process of securing sponsors and I came acroess this blog. I am having second thoughts now. My daughter would be heart broken if this is a scam. There are many mixed reviews on this site. Just trying to make final decision.

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:37:11 09/27/09 Sun

I just checked out Nationals, Inc. on the Better Business Bureau website for Western PA. They have had 10 complaints against them in the last 36 months, 2 of which are listed as "serious complaints." They are not a BBB endorsed business, and they were given a BBB rating of F, which is the lowest possible rating. Sounds to me like it's nothing but a scam to make money. Yeah, they may crown a winner, but think of all the money they are making in the process with 300 girls in every city they are doing this. I'm staying away from it!

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 17:43:37 01/22/10 Fri

I have been searching and searching and all I get is the same thing the website that doesn't have a contact email etc.., I am rather frustrated right now. I have all sponsors money and I am not sure what to do now. I have a dress and casual wear outfit and professional portrait. My daughter is 8 and will be devestated if this is a scam. Can someone please email me at nycestgirlevr@yahoo.com

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:09:21 03/08/10 Mon

>Does anyone know anything about this pageant system?
>My daughters received a letter to go to an information
>session and that it costs nothing for the contestants.
>We went, they were interviewed and then told all about
>getting sponsors to raise $500.00. I can't find
>anything on the web about them. is a scam miss teen anaheim they charge for everything even 20 dollars admition ticket for every body including babys com on

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:22:03 03/08/10 Mon

Any body in miss Teen Anaheim BEWARE is a SCAM NATIONALS INC is a SCAM check all the reviews they charge 500 dollars for pageant 125 for photogenics 200 for pictures ur not allowed to take you own pics or your own photografer plus you have to travel from Anaheim to el Monte high school and they charge 20 dollars each including babys plus even if you win you have to spend like 1000 dollars because you have to stay in a particular five star hotel and your chaperron a little more than that is a big Scam

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 20:22:57 04/15/10 Thu

CHANNEL 3 in Memphis did an EXPOSE' on CITIES OF AMERICA. WATCH THIS VIDEO <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/a23de934-b9f7-46a7-a768-68fbe7d23238/News/Ugly-Truth-About-Pageants">http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/a23de934-b9f7-46a7-a768-68fbe7d23238/News/Ugly-Truth-About-Pageants</a>

There are other pageants that are real and are good. THIS ONE IS NOT!

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 20:25:19 04/15/10 Thu

MUST SEE VIDEO ON CITIES OF AMERICA by Channel 3 News in Memphis
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/a23de934-b9f7-46a7-a768-68fbe7d23238/News/Ugly-Truth-About-Pageants">http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/a23de934-b9f7-46a7-a768-68fbe7d23238/News/Ugly-Truth-About-Pageants</a>

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 10:23:52 02/05/14 Wed

I am not sure but I think the name has changed but is the same group of people. My daughter and I recieved a letter in the mail. We went to the meeting, they want about $500 in sponsor money. Pretty much everything all of you are saying is the same story here. I called and asked for their Tax ID number, they gave me bogus one. The website is junk. No previous winners were at the meeting or have contact info posted. No sponsor info. Youtube link's are basic stuff not specific to the organization. BBB doesn't have anything in them. They are currently based out of Chicago, IL.The prize money is more than Miss America gets. The hotel doesn't and has not had their reservation on the books. There is a pageant, but it is a legitimate one. So to me, it looks like they closed this Inc. When too many people caught on and opened an LLC. Other than Patty, no names are given. Anyway, the new plan is to do a pageant in each major city. The letter we got was 2014 Miss Teen San Diego. The contact phone number is 877-403-6678. The agreement you sign is with 2014 Miss Teen, LLC.

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ABOUT THE NORWEGIAN CHILD PROTECTIVE SYSTEM -- Anonymous, 16:43:52 11/30/13 Sat

Also native Norwegians fear badly the SWF system in Norway. They use children as trade objects out of greed for money. If you deviate from some strict and unnatural normality scheme or culturally, your children are really in danger. This system snaps children to the full extent of their capacity. If you give them the double capacity, they will snap twice as many children as now.Generally I worn families with children moving to Norway or even visiting Norway as tourists.

To kiss your child or give it a good embrace is enough in this country to be suspected of child sexual abuse and have your children taken away from you. They have a myriad other normality paragraphs too, or just invent some new case by case as they feel conveniant. If for example a child has a healthy weight and a healthy diet, they will state thaty the child is underfeeded. If the child is somewhat fatter they will call it overfeeding. In this way they twist the definitions of neglect and abuse so to suit any case.

In a certain sense all children in Norway are registered or monitored intimately by this system, but not necessarily as official cases. Teachers, doctors, nurses, hospitals, health care workers, dentists, priests, police, kindergtarten employees and any public official that deal with children work as depudees of this system in addition to their official roles in the society, and they have regular meeting with this system where any child can be discussed and any child is discussed and monitored to the full extent of the capacity of this network. This stasi-like surveillance system makes it very difficult to find any official a parent can trust, but all parents are well adviced to be on guard and do their own counter-surveillance on this system.

This system also is a part of a greater international ring of similar agencies in countries like UK, USA, Sweden and Denmark. They all measure the kids and the parents up against a very narrow normality standard which is far from natural or healthy and snap away children when this standard is not met.

This system attacks both Norwegian and Foreign families. Generally Norwegian parents are afraid of these agencies and their helpers in the public services. These agencies work together and can anytime come and snap your children from you if there is something regarding the child or the family which is not politically correct. Because of these fears, Norwagians go around, behaving according to official norms, making false smiles and interchanging false positive comments regarding anything the authorities do or arrange, but you can see the fear and apathy in thir eyes and their face. Norway is no happy country.

But of cource also these agencies have somewhat limited resources, and cannot take every child they see. They often choose children that have a good life, but somehow deviate from the common norm. It does not matter if the deviation is positive or negative, only that it is a deviation. Often they use the pretent of so called early intervention. Children that are grossly abused or neglected are seldome taken, because taking these children does not give personal gratification or profit for the agents or those they cooperate with.

Regards Knut Holt
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DRUGS AND TOYS FOR SEXUAL POTENCY AND PLEASURE -- Anonymous, 05:19:18 11/22/13 Fri

Please see:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.panteraconsulting.com/erotica.htm">http://www.panteraconsulting.com/erotica.htm</a>

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Anders Behring Breivik - the Norwegian Assasine and the Cause of His Actions -- Anonymous, 05:12:51 11/22/13 Fri

Ander Behring Breivik - the Norwegian Assasine

Norway is generally thought about in the international community as a peaceful place where people are propserous, in good health and taken care of in all good ways, and where especially children are given all opportunities to grow up an get a good life in every sense. Even Norwegians themselves are indoctrinated to think so through the education they get in kindergarten and school.

But most Norwegian children sooner or later learn that this picture of their own society is false. They learn that others are given priveleges they do not get themselves and have to compete against other children and young persons that themselves do not have to compete. They discover that the Norwegian society is full of nepotism that substansiate itself at every crossroad and corner. They discover that getting a good education and doing a good job very seldome secures you a god career and well earned promotions. This kind of social injustice seems to have increased exponentially the latest years.

In addition Norwegian authorities have a solid and sinister tradition of using children as guinea pigs in medical and psycological experiments and downright renting out young citizens to all kind of instances that want children to experiment on. When for example the pharmacological industry, or big pharama if you will, want persons to use as guinea pigs, they know that they will get them through Norwegian authorities. Many young Norwegians have been subjected to these kind of abuses, in addition to the general injustice, usually during a period of institutionalization in early childhood, in addition to the general injustice and nepotism of this society.

This general picture about the Norwegian society is something one must be aware of when trying to explain what happened on july 22. 2011 in Norway, something that astounished the international community, but in fact did not astounish the average Norwegian very much.

A 31 year old Norwegian citizen, Anders behring Breivik, let detonate a bomb outside the govermental headquartal of Norway, killing 7 people and hurting many more, and causing immense damages on the buildings. Then he drove several miles up to a great inland lake, Tyrifjorden, and let himself ferry over to a small island in the lake where the Norwegian labor party had a congregation for the youngest members that also included international guests. He was at that point dressed in a false police uniform and brought with him a semiautomatic rifle, a pistol and a big quantity of ammunition, pretending he came for protection of the participants. Then he began shooting at the participants and kept on doing so in around 45 minutes until he had killes 67 persons and wounded a nearly equal number. He stopped his raid when after a lot of hesitation the police forces entered the island.

Afterwards authorities have been eagerly trying to explain the whole ordeal in a way that does not violate the false notion of Norway as the ideal society. The official explanation tend to point to Braivik himself as a mentally ill person from early childhood, to influence from fascistic political groups and to claims of his parents having abused him from early childhood on. For example are they eagerly claiming that his mother sexualized him as a little child.

Some of these elements might have been there, but are far from any sufficient explanation for the development of this person. Instead one must conclude that the characteristic of the Norwegion society itself and the general treatment from authorities upon children in the society to get a real understanding about the resons for this tragedy.

There are many mysteries regarding Breivik's development towards the person he became, especially regarding his childhood. Predictably some instances has eagerly hypotetized that he was a victim of sexual abuse, but Breivik's actions and stance do not point in that direction. It seems like he has an intense hatred towards official authorities.

We know that he was, together with his mother, in the care of the psychiatry some time in his childhood. Was something done to him there that he felt extremely humiliating? All parts keep a thight secrecy about that ordeal, even Breivik himself, possibly because he feels an intense embarrasment about talking about it. The chance that he was used as a guinea pig in medical and psycological experiments during this stay is rather high. An intense humiliation he felt because of things done to him during his stay in a psychiatric ward may be the factor that initiated his hate against the authorities and his development towards becomming a mass assasine.

Breivik was also, as far as has been revealed, subjected to mobbing from other children during his early school age. Some of these mobbers may have been sons and doughters of authorities in the Norwegian society, since he lived in a part of Oslo where many authorities have their home. Some of the mobbers also seem to have been children from immigrant families, especially Islamic families. These mobbing ordeals can then have enforced his hatred towars authorities and initiated a similar attitude towards muslim immigrants.

Later on he probably experienced that the same young persons that were mobbing him when he was a child later on were given privileges at any crossroad regarding education, social positions and career.

Breivik probably played with the thought of revenging against the authorities from a very early time, and gradually he made his plans concrete and began making concrete arrangements for the attacks. That revenge was the driving force behind his actions can also be seen by the fact that most persons he killed or injured were themselves privileged sons or doughters of the elite in the society.

But he also needed some kind of excuse for his actions that hided that his motives were mostely revenge. The motive he chose was the danger from mouslims overtaking Norway and the rest of Europe, and that this danger had produced an actual situation of war against Norwegian and European Christan culture. Breivik probably is honest to some degree about this motive, but it is not the main force behind his actions.

He thought that this official motive would work well, because many Norwegians are to a lesser or larger degree concerned about the same issues. In order to give this excuse a firm foundation, he authored a long manifesto which was a mixture of own material and copies from other's works.

Soon after breivik's assassine actions, his mother got hospitalized in a psychiatric ward for some time. At that point I thought: She will get cancer an she will die within some months. And indeed, she got cancer, the doctors refused to operate her, claiming it was not possible, and now she is dead. Why could I think this would happen? Well. She new something about the real ressons that made Breivik become what he is, reasons hided in his early childhood, and I have seen that happen to other persons knowing something about the fundamental resons for bad things in the society.

Knut Holt
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2014 Miss Teen Minneapolis Pageant - Patty Neider -- Anonymous, 12:19:27 10/02/13 Wed

Please do your research before competing in this pageant system. Google the name "Patty Neider" under pageant scams before giving them a penny. Patty is "your director." There are many reputable pageants out there, but this does not appear to be one of them. And, unless you can attend the Nationals in Orlando the week of December 12-16, 2013, and pay for an adult to accompany you (at least $1,000 for the week plus airfare) don't bother. The adult will be expected to accompany the winner on all trips to Disney World, Sea World or wherever at their own expense. Besides, most kids have SCHOOL and all national pageants are run in the year of reign - 2014 - not 2013. Other red flags include their scoring system. The first two areas of competition determine the Top Ten. Then ALL SCORES ARE ROLLED BACK TO ZERO and the winner is determined by a SINGLE QUESTION. So, no matter how well you do overall, it will NOT determine the winner. To me, this leaves a lot of room for winner manipulation. The expensive entry fee of $495 includes nothing besides "training" and the optional photogenic fee of $125 is ridiculous. Don't be mislead by the offer of free photos - only the "sitting" is free. You need to pay big bucks to get the photos. Besides, this isn't even a state title, just a city title. Check around. Nearly all entry fees include an opening number dress, reception, gift bag, and so on. Check out other pageant listings for Minnesota and you'll see that the reputable ones have their own sponsors. These sponsors award prizes to the contestants and winners, such as coaching packages, discounts on pageant wear, discounts on photography, hair and makeup services, scholarships, personal training packages, and so on. This pageant has absolutely no sponsors whatsoever (maybe they don't want their names associated with it). Another red flag is that this pageant is not associated with any charities or platforms. This is highly unusual. And, there are no appearances arranged for the winners after the pageant. The winners are "on their own." Again, finally, there is nothing stated about returning for the 2015 pageant to crown a successor. Usually, these expenses are always included in the winners' prize packages. Who's to say they'll be back? Reputable pageants return year after year. I encourage you to do your own research and decide before you shell out a ton of money, especially when the entire pageant hinges on one question. What if there are only 8 contestants? Everyone makes the Top Ten and you might as well show up in your pajamas, answer the question and move on. For all you know, the winner has been predetermined and you are just helping to pay for their vacation. Please be careful and do your research. Then you can make an informed decision with all of the facts before you end up losing a lot of money and shattering your daughter's dreams. This pageant is very sketchy. Consider yourself warned.

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Anonymous -- Anonymous, 11:27:05 10/22/12 Mon

Well who ever is in charge of this pageant is back at it again and it's just sick and ridiculous!!! Patty Ann is what she is going by these days bcuz I just received a letter in the mail and wanted to look it up and got nothing but negative feed back. They are currently going to be at 550 Cherrington Parkway in Coraoplis pa,15108 on the 28th of October and the 29th at the Ramada hotel and Conference Center, 100 Ramada Inn Drive Greensburgh Pa 15601. Someone needs to put a stop to thes people.

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[> Re: Anonymous -- Anonymous, 12:22:26 10/02/13 Wed

AGREED!

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Nationals Incorporated/Cities of America -- Anonymous, 13:18:52 06/23/10 Wed

Wow, reading all of those blogs was crazy! The simple point is, DO RESEARCH!!! My daughter was accepted into this pageant for Richmond, VA. She was required to get $495 in sponsorships within 2 weeks of the information session. I began researching the company and most of you won't believe what I found. First of all, Nationals Inc. holds NO business liscense. They list 2 addresses in Hermitage, PA as their base...both are frauds! Go to google maps and look them up, one is an empty field of trees and the other in an empty lot within a subdivision. The addresses are bogus, also I have found about 8 listed phone numbers, many of which are "no longer in service". I have found 2 separate news articles where their photographers were actually REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS! Not just 1 photographer, but 2 of them! They apparently don't bother to do any backround checks on the people that the hire.. Scary isn't it?? ALL of the information that I have found is vague and sketchy. They now have 15 complaints with the Better Business Bureau. Listen people! Who are we trusting our young girls too?? The Patty person who puts on such a good show, I have found not 1 but three last names for... The Nationals Inc. reports that they make $720,000 annually but only have 10 employees. I find it hard to believe that any pageant is put on by only 10 people. That said, where do you think that all of the sponsorship money goes? All I can say is that SOMEONE is making a HEFTY profit! I have found 2 judges that say they were volunteers and that the pageant was very poorly put together. If their photographers are sex offenders, who is checking the judges?? You are putting your children at risk!! How long were the SEX OFFENDER photographers working for them before someone figured it out? There have been SEVERAL girls who have come forward about being molested at their photo shoots. Even more girls are terrified about what these men have done with their pictures! All of my information has been provided by the past 2 days of research. LOOK IT UP!! All of the information is right here on the internet if you look for it. My daughter is Gorgeous, but I'd be damned before I put her in front of these people!!!!! If you have had issues with these people PLEASE report it!! I have contacted my local police fraud dept, and am also contacting the National Fraud information center. Someone has got to stop this before one of OUR children gets hurt, or worse!!! And, unlike ALL of the positive Anonymous bloggers, I'll put my name out there because I am not afraid of these people AND because I want to protect our children!!!!! Oh and in one of my web searches, the first thing that came up was "Naughty Local Girls" "where you can browse local photos and profiles for FREE"! If you want to check it out, look at www.Mate1.com. I sincerely hope that you don't find YOUR childs information there... Sincerely, Candy Gehman Chesterfield, VA

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Cities of America -- Anonymous, 11:28:36 04/27/10 Tue

My daughter has competed at NAM, AmCOED, Cinderella and several others. She's won some and lost some so this is not sour grapes. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is a scam BUT it has been the most poorly ran pageant we have ever entered. When you consider the sponsor fee for a PRELIMINARY is equal to a state sponsor fee at NAM you have to wonder what did you pay for. My biggest complaint was the judges. They picked several local people, many who were already acquianted with some of the girls who were competing. Judges should be completly bias and that will not happen if you go to the same church, photograph the person in the past, etc. etc. After having seven years experience with several pageant systems, this is one that we will NEVER do again.

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cities of america pageant nationals -- Anonymous, 14:46:15 10/09/08 Thu

I wish I had researched this pageant prior to entering my poor daughter. It is not a beauty pageant and is all about how much money they can collect from each contestant.
I witnessed first-hand one of the contestant's mom speaking to one of the judges on two occasions. This girl also told my daughter that she was going to be in the top ten because her mom knew one of the judges. Not only is this pageant unfair but the girls in the top ten were far from beauties. If I had known what a ridiculous fiasco this was going to be, I would have saved her from the disappointment.

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Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 06:14:25 08/06/08 Wed

F.Y.I. I am not saying the pageant is a scam, but there were enough red flags after the information meeting and interview process for us to look into this further. Our daughter was "selected" to move onto the local pageant but when I had questions regarding the sponsorships, I hit a huge wall. One sponsor wanted to know if his "donation" was tax-deductible and how many girls would she be competing against. Good questions for someone who was willing to sponsor a good portion of the $500. I placed many phone calls to the toll free numbers provided. I either got a recording to leave a message, which I did or the other number just rang and rang. I NEVER received a call back and when I googled to pageant, there was no additional information on-line other than the website they provide you with and that is the same site city to city. When I googled Patty's name, the same thing happened - no additional information about her, as if she doesn't exist except for the press release that is provided for all the girls (exactly the same press release only different names). Too many red flags and VERY little information to show us that this was a legit pageant!! We choose not to participate and spend our/sponsorship $$ elsewhere....

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Last Name -- Anonymous, 10:26:32 09/22/07 Sat

She said she looked over at her husband and kids when she won? I just went to a session in Colorado Springs, Co and a training session is being held in Denver this weekend. The Miss Teen Denver is being held in Oct. If is smells like a fish nine times out of ten it is a fish.

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Miss Teen Pageant -- Anonymous, 20:50:24 07/28/07 Sat

For those that have had a bad experience they should report to the BBB so we can stop them from ripping off our kids of dreams. It is a scam, remember if it seems too good to be true then it is.

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[> Re: Miss Teen Pageant -- Anonymous, 20:51:31 07/28/07 Sat

>For those that have had a bad experience they should
>report to the BBB so we can stop them from ripping off
>our kids of dreams. It is a scam, remember if it seems
>too good to be true then it is.

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Green Bay Nationals Cities of America Pageant -- Anonymous, 19:48:27 11/07/06 Tue

My daughter was in the Green Bay Pageant, she won Miss Pre Teen Photogenic, which they say the winner gets their sponsorship paid for Orlando, in December of 2007. It is 11-7-06 and I have heard nothing from Nationals. I did receive the Photo Cd for the pageant, which is supposed to be a seperate company...Anyone else hear anything? She did have a good time, it boosted her confidence, and was a good experience for her...any questions please email me...freemannichole@yahoo.com

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[> Re: Green Bay Nationals Cities of America Pageant -- Anonymous, 14:53:32 04/26/07 Thu

this is a total scam no one is really pre-teen it just congratulations u just won owing us 2,000 my dallors

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[> [> Re: Green Bay Nationals Cities of America Pageant -- Anonymous, 11:22:38 04/28/07 Sat

this ideotic on how people beleive this bull shit im mean 1,000 dollars to florida then 2,000 more comming back and they make u wanna quit because its tooo much but then its all better when u see ur daughter smiling but NNNNOOOOOO! listen to me u must listen good to u can make her happier if u just buy her every thing she wants i mean what happens if she dosent win anything then what do u say i know u wanna cry cause u see her realy sad and i know u would to considering that not only did she win but u cant cheer up by buying the poor girl and ice cream at least sooo take my advise and leave the whole intire place and buy her whatever she wants!!!!!!!!! AND SHE MAY BE SAD THAT SHE DIDNT JOIN BUT SHE WOULD BE HAPPY WHEN SHE SEES THAT SHE CAN GET ALL THIS STUFF INSTEAD OF NOT WINNING AT ALL AND CRYING OVER IT SO !!!!!!! TAKE MY ADVISE

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Yes this pageant is a scam. My daughter in compete March, 2007 in El Monte, California -- Anonymous, 00:37:24 04/01/07 Sun

No I am not a mother who is upset her daughter did not win because I was able to explain to my child that this was a scam. I went through everything that has been described by others authors on this blog. The first person we met was Patty Neidert who claimed she won Mrs. America. I could not find any information regarding her winning this pageant. For the person who wrote maybe she had a different name, I don't think this is possible. She told us she had only been married once and Mrs America is for married women only. Why would she had used another name? Next, she said she would be at the pageant the day of the pageant but she was no where to be found. Like the rest of you there were only two men and one woman working with the girls out front. We did not see the previous people we had interacted with during the past meetings. Where was last year's winner to crown this year's winner? Where are any past winners on their very vague website? All pageants have pictures of past winners posted on their website. Is this because the past winners are quite upset when they find out this is a scam so therefore there are no pictures to post. Next, like others there were 160 girls in the pageant and the pageant was over six hours long. I also feel everyone who come to the original meeting is accepted to compete in the pageant. Finally just like one writer stated, about two weeks after the pageant I received a letter from All Cities America stating my daughter did qualify and was eligible to compete on Florida. I have never heard of a pageant that has more then one winner. Please explain to me the rationale behind this one. I am sure everyone that competed in the pageant receives a letter like this and unfortunately many will fall for this scam again. I have one last question, does it seem like they are targeting a certain group. At my daughter's pageant it was mostly Latinos and African Americans from a certain zip codes. During the pageant I started feeling like something was not right. I ask several people where they lived, I would say 90% lived in the same zip code area which is mostly Latino and African American. There were very few other ethnic groups. I would like to take them to the media because of what they are doing to these young girls is not right. I would like to see these people closed down. There were young girls crying and very upset. The bottom line is they never had a chance. I am really sadden that these people can take advantage of young girls. Please please please do not get involved. Trust me I am not a anger parent just upset at how people can take advantage of these children.

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Patty Neidert -- Anonymous, 10:44:05 10/20/06 Fri

No one named Patty or Patricia has ever won the Miss Usa or Mrs America Pageant. The only Patricia to win the Miss America Pageant was in 1939.
I'd like a link to the website please.

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11th Annual AMERICA's YANKEE MISS Pageant -- Anonymous, 15:48:38 10/05/06 Thu

11th Annual "AMERICA's YANKEE MISS" Pageant to take place on OCT 29 at the CROWNE PLAZA in Nashua, NH (Near Boston, Mass)

OPEN TO ALL STATES!!
For ages 0-40+

WE AWARD $1,000 Bonds (guaranteed)

FEE: $95
HOTEL ROOM: $99 (optional)
COUTO PAGEANT FUN: Priceless!!!

For more info check out our website: coutopageants.com

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Royal Queens of America -- Anonymous, 08:11:54 09/28/06 Thu

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Contest winner will be announced on Oct. 31 2006
Thank You for your entry from all of us at 
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If you would like information on our up coming pageant please email us, this is a pageant you would not want to miss! We offer certifed judges, $1,000.00 cash prize to every queen in the age divisions
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u are all sick -- Anonymous, 14:50:31 08/15/06 Tue

i think it is sicking the way you mothers objectify your children and put them on parade for perverts and pedophiles...stop licing vicariously thru your children and get your own life...LOSERS!!!

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[> Re: u are all sick -- Anonymous, 14:50:43 08/15/06 Tue

>i think it is sicking the way you mothers objectify
>your children and put them on parade for perverts and
>pedophiles...stop licing vicariously thru your
>children and get your own life...LOSERS!!!

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[> u r blind. my dd loves it! it was her wish and the pervs are watching the soccer kids! -- Anonymous, 20:12:45 08/21/06 Mon

>i think it is sicking the way you mothers objectify
>your children and put them on parade for perverts and
>pedophiles...stop licing vicariously thru your
>children and get your own life...LOSERS!!!

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Cities of America Pageant -- Anonymous, 17:57:41 08/07/06 Mon

I must say that the Cities of America Pageant is a great pageant for young ladies. Last night, Sunday 6th, 2006, my daughter competed in the Teen Division of the pageant and won the title of Miss Teen Daytona Beach. This was a great experience for all of us. We did not pay a single penny of our money. All of her fees were done thru sponsorship. I must say you and your daughters will be very happy if they participate in the COA pageant.By the way, the coordinator states she won pageants. I did not hear her say she won the Miss America pageant.

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NEW YORK ONE DAY NATURAL PAGEANT!! -- Anonymous, 05:19:49 07/04/06 Tue

DAISY DOLLS AND DUKES WILL HAVE THEIR NEW YORK PAGEANT ON SATURDAY AUGUST 5, 2006 AT THE CROWNE PLAZA HOTEL LOCATED IN WHITE PLAINS NEW YORK. LOW ENTRY FEE OF $75.00.
THIS IS A NATURAL PAGEANT!! IF YOU PAY YOUR FEES IN FULL BY JULY 15; ALL YOUR OVER-ALL ARE FREE!!! THAT'S A THIRTY DOLLAR SAVINGS....
VISIT THE WEBSITE AT WWW.DAISYDOLLSANDDUKES.COM OR E-MAIL THE NEW YORK DIRECTOR CHEERCOACHPAM@AOL.COM!!

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Oh my goodness -- Anonymous, 14:04:47 06/27/06 Tue

Well all I can say is for 13 your spelling and typing skills as well as you disgusting mouth is a disgrace. I'm sure your chances would have been very slim, being as this letter says much about the person you must be. I would be ashamed to post such a horrible letter.

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New York Pageant -- Anonymous, 19:45:56 06/15/06 Thu

 <center><marquee width=100% behavior="alternate">~ Is your child a NATURAL beauty? ~</marquee> <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.daisydollsanddukes.com"><img src="http://www.gapageantgirl.com/DaisyDollsDukesBanner.jpg"></a> CLICK ON THE BANNER TO VISIT www.daisydollsanddukes.com FOR DETAILS!</center></a>

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PAGEANT WEAR For Sale!! MUST SELL!! -- Anonymous, 12:08:05 04/22/06 Sat

We have many items PERFECT for your upcoming PreLim, State and National Pageants!! E-Mail me for Pics & Prices @ Auctions4ebay7@aol.com:

1. Glitz Halter Swimwear. Off the shoulder like Sandi Henry Suits, top portion velour with many Swarovski Rhinestones. Bottom 4 way stretch, very flattering and age appriopriate. Size 12-14-16. Junior XS/S and Junior Medium. My daughter had a MAJOR growth spurt! Each only worn once and EVERY time scored PERFECT 10's, won BEST over all Swimwear twice and OVER Grand Supreme!!

2. Glitz triple Strap Swimwear. 4 way stretch material. Many swarovski Rhinestones. Very flattering and age appriopriate. Junior XS/S and Junior Med. Each won once. PERFECT 10's and OVER ALL Swimwear once.

3. Glitz 2 piece Swimwear. Polka Dots with ruffles and silver sequence, very sparkly!! Can add rhinestones to each polka dot for you too!! Matching Hair Band w/ Poof. Size 2T-4T. Won once, PERFECT 10's and OVER ALL Swimwear.

4. Glitz Dress, Size 2T/3T-5, can be taken in if needed. Soft peach and white, very beautiful! Many colors of swarovski rhinestones! Cupcake style skirt, open back. 2 piece. Worn once! Won Overall Beauty and 1 R/U Best Dressed.

5. Coral strapless gown, rhinestone trim. Lace Up Back. BEAUTIFUL ON! Worn once. Beauty Winner. Junior XS, S or Medium (due to the lace up).

6. GROOVY HIP RETRO Wear. Size 6-7-8 Girls. Perfect for Plat. Beauties! Super Glitz top and flare pants, awesome! Worn once for a photo shoot, this was great, just like HollyWood Babe!

7. Sportswear or Talent. Purple and blue TONS of Large Swarovski Rhinestones!! Size 6-7-8-10, has stretch! 2 piece attached. Can add a rip off for Pro Am. Won best talent and 1 R/U Sportswear.

8. Like HollyWood Babe bright lime green and navy halter dress, super sparkly custom made with matching hat and mitts! Too Cute!! Size 6-7-8.

9. SportsWear black w/ Many color dots trim and many rhinestones on the dots! Size 3T-5. Perfect 10's

10. MANY CasualWear Outfits!! Size 10 through Junior 1/2. ALL winners!! 2Pc -7PC sets.

11. Casual Wear 12-14 M 2T. Bright and Fun! 5 pieces! Won best OverAll Cas. Wear

12. Casual Wear 2T-4T Bright and Fun! 5 pieces! Perfect Scores, Helped win Novice Supreme!

13. Leotards and Tights for Sunburst State~~

14. Jazz Shoes for SportsWear, Talent, Westerwear, GroovyWear, etc. White, Black or Tan. All sizes. Brand New!! Whole Sale Price!

15. Tropical Wear / Hawaiian Wear / Spanish Wear / Outfit of Choice / Talent Wear. Two Piece HOT PINK w/ huge ruffle sleeves, rhinestones and sparkle! Hot Hot Hot!! Juniors Small, Medium or Large. LOTS Of stretch! Won BEST OVER ALL Tropical Wear and PERFECT 10's!!

16. TONS of Talent Wear /Outfit of Choice Wear, etc. Size 4T through Juniors Large!!

17. Crowning Dress white with silver flowers all over, soo pretty!! Child 8-10, 10-12 or 12-14

18. Boys Suit, Navy, Size 10 /10 Slim.

19. Red, White & Blue Wear! Great for Casual Wear or Red, White and Blue Wear!! Size 10-12-14.

20. Groovy Wear / Retro Wear / Casual Wear. Black with BRIGHT Polka Trim with Many Rhinestones, Suuper Groovy!! Sz. 2T/3T-4T Slim 5T. Worn once and Wone BEST GroovyWear w/ Perfect 10's Score!!

For Prices and Pics, please e-mail me Auctions4ebay7@aol.com

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[> MUST SELL!! MAKE OFFERS!!! -- Anonymous, 10:36:29 05/28/06 Sun

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The Pagean Place - What's up? -- Anonymous, 13:31:36 01/12/06 Thu

For nearly a year nothing now all of a sudden everywhere again...is it safe is it not, is it current or is it out?? Lots of stuff, nice stuff too! Lots of things not just clothes - shoes, SOCKS, stones nearly everthing but gone for a year and now back?? What's up??

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Stayin Home and Lovin It! -- Anonymous, 14:17:38 12/12/05 Mon

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BRAND NEW to pageants -- Anonymous, 20:57:29 06/19/05 Sun

My 1 year old son just won Overall Boy and First Place 1 year old Boy at his first pageant. While we were there another Mom told me to give Sunburst a try since they will be having prelims at our mall on Saturday. As quick as she got that out of her mouth there were 2 other moms saying Sunburst was horrible and a waste of time. Anyone know anything about Sunburst? What was your take on them? Are they worth it? Anyone have any advice for us if we do go to Sunburst? Thanks so much!!

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[> Re: BRAND NEW to pageants -- Anonymous, 15:54:54 11/21/05 Mon

hello,dont pay attention to what other pageant moms tell u cause eveyone is in it for thierselves in this system. my daught did sunburst nationals and state and won both and also my grand daughter.matter of fact my grand is going to the one in 2006 in orlando.just remember what i have told u about pageant moms and u will go a long wayi have been in this pageant thing for a lot of years sunburst is a vey good begginer pageant,the nationals are pretty big aS far as the groups,my grand competed with 42 girls in her group.moms will tell u anything to keep u away

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NES pageants -- Anonymous, 10:23:12 04/02/05 Sat

New England Sweetheart on march 11-13 was a rip off sum of the girls that were level one were really level 2 and 3 two names come to mind Diana Feretti and Shanen gilpatrick diana is a level 2 but said she was a level 1 and shanen defintly is a level 3 in 2003 he won am grand surpreme and won over 250.00 tammy needs to start looking over the books i feel sorry for the girls that were in their groups and even the petite divison there was some liars too!!!! what are they afraid of their competion

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MISS U.S. of AMERICA PAGEANT -- Anonymous, 20:32:36 12/15/04 Wed

Great system! Go to the website coutopageants.com and ask for information. The couto pageant people also produce other great competions like Miss New England and Yankee Miss.

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PAGEANT FANATIC BANNER -- Anonymous, 10:07:45 12/09/04 Thu

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Could the gurus be to blame? -- Anonymous, 17:18:00 10/19/02 Sat

Why in the hell does it cost so much to enter a damn pageant nowadays? I remember when my kid first entered a pageant like 8 years ago and when she won beauty at a pageant she won 750.00 cash and we only paid maybe 200.00 to enter the whole pageant. And H&M sure was not any where near 300.00. This has gotten out of hand. Directors can easily afford to lower the entry fees and you know what? If they would lower their fees the H&M people would have to because surely no one would pay more for H&M than they would the pageant. Come on people, lets wake up these directors!!

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[> Wrong! Georgia has a free beauty pageant, h/m $250! -- Anonymous, 10:03:32 09/02/04 Thu

HAIR AND MAKEUP WILL NOT GO A PENNY LOWER THAN THEIR PRICE. DIRECTORS ARE CONSTANTLY REDUCING THEIR FEES, SPECIALS, PHOTO CONTESTS. PAGEANTS ARE A ROCK BOTTOM LOW NOW AND HAIR AND MAKEUP KEEP GOING UP UP UP.

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[> [> Re: Wrong! Georgia has a free beauty pageant, h/m $250! -- Anonymous, 21:44:19 10/18/04 Mon

>HAIR AND MAKEUP WILL NOT GO A PENNY LOWER THAN THEIR
>PRICE. DIRECTORS ARE CONSTANTLY REDUCING THEIR FEES,
>SPECIALS, PHOTO CONTESTS. PAGEANTS ARE A ROCK BOTTOM
>LOW NOW AND HAIR AND MAKEUP KEEP GOING UP UP UP.

Why does every contestant think they have to have hair and makeup? What happened to the days not too far past the everyone did their own hair and makeup and looked like themselves? Maybe we all better get back to the basic's and show the world exactly what our children look like!!!!!!!!

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[> [> [> Re: Wrong! Georgia has a free beauty pageant, h/m $250! -- Anonymous, 22:32:42 11/24/04 Wed

>>HAIR AND MAKEUP WILL NOT GO A PENNY LOWER THAN THEIR
>>PRICE. DIRECTORS ARE CONSTANTLY REDUCING THEIR FEES,
>>SPECIALS, PHOTO CONTESTS. PAGEANTS ARE A ROCK BOTTOM
>>LOW NOW AND HAIR AND MAKEUP KEEP GOING UP UP UP.
>
>
>Why does every contestant think they have to have hair
>and makeup? What happened to the days not too far
>past the everyone did their own hair and makeup and
>looked like themselves? Maybe we all better get back
>to the basic's and show the world exactly what our
>children look like!!!!!!!!
>
>
>I totally agree. When I competed, my mom did my hair and makeup. The one pageant when she paid to have it done(by two very reputable people), i did the same in facial beauty as i did when she did my makeup and i had a LOT less makeup on. Let ur kids be who they are. If they dont need or want the makeup, dont pay someone outrageous sums to have a HUGE amount put on their faces. Your kids are naturally beautiful.

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Cost of Pageants -- Anonymous, 20:08:21 11/16/04 Tue

Yes the cost of pageants are out of control. More and more expensive, but the real kicker is that when your kid does win the pageant director all of a sudden has a financial problem and can't afford to pay in a lump sum. NOW----Most of these directors also have 8 or 10 other things going at the same time, and have collected from us, used our money, had to have it all up front. What can we do to get our money. They say they are going to send a check the same week for the first payment, but 2 weeks go by and the "check isn't in the mail". Maybe they shouldn't charge for the pageant, everybody pay their fair share for the ballroom, judges, etc. and have a great time and go home. Forget about the sashes, crowns, and trophies.

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Anonymous -- Anonymous, 06:05:55 10/19/04 Tue

Well first of all, you can't say that about Patty Neidert. She was Miss America. And she truly deserves it. Because she is beautiful, but isn't all about beauty. She has a wonderful personality and is teaching these girls how to be real. I went to the informaton session, and I loved the way she taught these girls how to not be always concerned about the way they look on the outside, but who they are on the inside. I am proud to say that my daughter is in this competition. It is a good boost of self confidence. And it DOES NOT cost. All you need is a sponsor. And anyone can find a sponsor from anywhere. So don't say you can't find one, beacause you can. Maybe if you weren't so concerned about what Patty Neidert did or did not do, maybe you could be finding some sponsors right now. Patty Neidert already got what she wanted. Now she is just trying to help your daughter achieve it also. And you should be too, instead of criticizing people. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.And for all you dough-dough heads who said that they are hiding their info from you on the internet, well you were right about one thing, and wrong about another. You're right.... you couldn't get the website to pop up. But maybe it was because you didn't type the right thing, not because of the server. Let's see um... maybe you should try typing in www.natonalsincorporated.com!!!! HELLO0O0O0O0O!!!
Maybe while you are out there criticizing other people you should criticize yourself and see how smart you are.

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why r you in them -- Anonymous, 15:16:09 10/13/04 Wed

i hear so many bad things yet you still have yout children in them insteade of bashing ever pageant your child loses move on just because you kid didnt do as well as you thought doesnt mean its fixed!!

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[> [> [> Re: does anyone have the link for the BBB. I am filing a compliant. I have had it!! -- No name, Thursday, June 03, 08:08:35am

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looking for prelim dress -- Anonymous, 10:28:26 01/28/04 Wed

Hi!
I am in need of a size 5/6 preliminary( and/ or state/national) dress! I am looking for one not over $100 and with some glitz. Please contact me if you have one. You can e-mail me at nummba1buffyfan@aol.com
Thanks!
Desiree
p.s. I would need it by March.

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[> Re: looking for prelim dress -- Anonymous, 21:49:01 10/18/04 Mon

>Hi!
>I am in need of a size 5/6 preliminary( and/ or
>state/national) dress! I am looking for one not over
>$100 and with some glitz. Please contact me if you
>have one. You can e-mail me at nummba1buffyfan@aol.com
>Thanks!
>Desiree
>p.s. I would need it by March.

HOw tall are you? Contact sharon@a1usa.net

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Miss Country Girl Pageant -- Anonymous, 15:19:18 12/28/03 Sun

Looking for girls aged 1 years to 40 years old to join Miss Country Girl Pageant.

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Director Carla

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WHY? -- Anonymous, 13:55:19 11/10/03 Mon

i just dropped by to read some of the stuff all you have posted, and I just cant help but laugh at you people. All your doing is complaining complaining complaining, yet your still enetering your daughters in over priced nationals and still paying T&M to do their h/m. Yeah, we are all tired of paying such high prices, but don't whine like a 3 year old esp. if you just keep going back to what you are complaing about.

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[> Re: WHY? B/C it might help someone. -- Anonymous, 18:54:11 02/04/04 Wed

If anyone thinking about going bankrupt doing pageants ir isn't thinking what they are doing can overcome this deadend money pit, it is worth taking the time to read and get help from those who made mistakes before.

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$6 into thousands..generate money fast..as seen on 20/20 -- Anonymous, 00:02:36 08/20/03 Wed

HOW TO TURN $6 INTO $6,000!!!!!! READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE! I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, Yeah right, this must be a scam, but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and addresses stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands). No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured: what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!... within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works....Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more money than you thought possible by doing something so easy! Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it out or download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money come in! It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage) IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary dividends. PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included in that list.

HERE ARE THE 4 EASY STEPS TO SUCCESS:

STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper; PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST with your name and address. Now get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! Like most of us I was a little sceptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!
Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:
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#4) Julie King, 567 Main Road, Glendale, NSW 2285, Australia
#5) K Roethe, P.O.Box 1019, 9260 TROMSOE NORWAY
#6) Robbie Duncan, P.O Box 5363, Newcastle West, NSW 2302, Australia

STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list.

STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws.

Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again, and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business!

---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------
Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory.
Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list.
Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to.
Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) (Just example you log on any search engine like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com, excite.com, then you search with this subject "millionaire message board" or "money making message board" or "employment message board" or "money making discussions" or "money making forum" or "business message board" or post message etc. You will find thousands & thousands of message boards.)
Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! Don't just limit yourself to bulletin boards. E-mail friends, advertise locally, make a web site. Be creative. You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00!. Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $625.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is: do you realise that thousands of people all over the world are joining the Internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works? I think so. There are tons of new users and new people who are joining the Internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual Internet. Remember: play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work!

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Please feel free to post your pageant ads on board: 150249 -- Anonymous, 09:31:59 07/09/03 Wed

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[> Motherly Pageant -- Anonymous, 08:46:38 12/27/03 Sat

All ages needed from 18 - 40 for the Motherly Pageant. Must be a mother of at least one child that is at least a new born. For any info reply to : motherlypageant@yahoo.com

Kristina

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American Jrs. + LKP -- Anonymous, 20:48:30 06/04/03 Wed

Did youa'll see LKP on American Jrs. Tuesday night? To bad she didn't make it.....I thought see was good.

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Boycott systems that allow this type of COI to participate. -- Anonymous, 08:30:26 04/27/03 Sun

Found this post on some other boards. Needs to be here too.

Subject: Now is the time to STOP T&M.

Author:

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Date Posted: 23:48:43 04/20/03 Sun

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Celebrations was the last straw and the proof we needed that these 2 men have been turning pageants into a big money joke for the past 10 years, whether it's threatening directors, paying judges or giving wins to their clients that their peons paid for.

Let's not forget that they made their clients pay a deposit and book a hotel room to MDD while they KNEW they had no intention of going. This was done by T&M to make sure Rhea would not be able to pay her winners. 32 hotel room cancellations the day before the pageant !! They said they hoped Madelyn Overby would get the Grand and not get a cent ! ALL THEY WANTED TO DO WAS GET BACK AT TONI O BECAUSE HER PHOTOS HAVE BEATEN THEIRS !

The lies.
The bashing.
The fixing of pageants.
The threats.
The COI.

It's time to put a stop to this.

HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO PAY THOUSANDS FOR THESE TWO SCUMBAGS TO RUIN EVERYTHING FOR OUR CHILDREN ??

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I see T&M are back to their old BOARD WASHING tricks. Guess they can't find anything else to do ! (NT) -- No name, 23:14:18 04/22/03 Tue

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THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY -- Anonymous, 10:23:18 03/20/03 Thu

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MIRACLES FOR MATTHEW -- Anonymous, 04:12:27 01/23/03 Thu

<h3><center>If you have a chance please visit this baby's website. He really needs your prayers and well wishes. Thank you and God Bless You All!

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Jessica's Jammers -- Anonymous, 16:11:02 01/21/03 Tue

hello everyone this is jessica lee simpson ( not the famous singer the pageant girl) i have recently started teaching modeling in columbia south carolina. i attend columbia college and i dont have time to compete but i love to teach. if you are interested you can contact my secretary Elizabeth Taylor at 1-803-714-4119. if you cant get in touch with her leave a message and she will get back to you thanks
god bless you
jessica

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Glamour USA -- Anonymous, 00:53:31 01/21/03 Tue

What a scam!! I can't believe you popped up again and didn't even change your pageant name after stealing so much money from OR/WA contestants and having a completely rigged system. Not to mention running hours late, having crappy judges, giving out half blank score sheets, lying about your husbands medical conditions and having your relatives win your pageants. Any-one thinking of theis pageant should run from JA as fast as possible. She lies, cheats and picks the winners who are usually related to her! It's pathetic and dishonest and that's why she was run out of WA/OR pageantry all together.

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NOBODY IS JEALOUS OF IDIOT BRAIN MORON FAG HAG GURU SUCKUPS -- Anonymous, 10:56:55 12/30/02 Mon

This is a wonderful post.. to Everyone December 30, 2002 11:1:34 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
New People, read this. Read and beware that the big time better spend to win vendors are here daily trying to pull in more customers to their money game. What those high priced vendors have is nothing but plastic and fake. If you want to have real pageant fun, you can do it at the lower, less expensive levels. I think it is sad that these people try to blame the truth on jealousy. Most of us who have seen the dark side of pageants are not jealous of those poor fools who put pageants above everything else in the world. Many of us CAN afford to pay the big high prices but see that it is wrong for our children to learn that kind of game. It seems that the "guru" people prey on those who don't have money or education to see through them. Beware of these money games in pageants for the new year and read this post that was below, it is good.
-------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Well I'm not jealous to Everyone December 29, 2002 20:22:51 (EST) | Top | Bottom | of those people who will have empty cupboards, crusty clothing, lights being cut off, no phone, and a hooptie for a ride so they can spend every penny they have on outrageously priced H/M, too expensive photos and dresses that look like a craft store upchucked on it. Actually I pity someone that will not pay bills or buy groceries while they pursue the crown for their child. We love glitz pageants as much as the next person but I'm not going into debt over them. My daughter has a national level dress and I didn't pay thousands for it, her makeup is just as good as those 300.00 ones and I do it, same with the hair. Her photos I paid 200.00 sitting fee. That included hair and makeup-got 24 shots with five different hair styles and changes. This was instudio mind you not a photo shoot. I paid 100.00 for two 8x10's and one 5x7 and there was no retouching. She hasn't lost a photogenic yet and usually wins best dresses and most beautiful too. Do we do pageants every weekend? No way! We have a life and it doesn't revolve around pageants. Just because I don't see the point in going in debt or doing without essentials doesn't mean I'm jealous. It means I'm not stupid.

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[> Re: NOBODY IS JEALOUS OF IDIOT BRAIN MORON FAG HAG GURU SUCKUPS -- Anonymous, 22:43:03 11/24/04 Wed

>This is a wonderful post.. to Everyone December 30,
>2002 11:1:34 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
>New People, read this. Read and beware that the big
>time better spend to win vendors are here daily trying
>to pull in more customers to their money game. What
>those high priced vendors have is nothing but plastic
>and fake. If you want to have real pageant fun, you
>can do it at the lower, less expensive levels. I think
>it is sad that these people try to blame the truth on
>jealousy. Most of us who have seen the dark side of
>pageants are not jealous of those poor fools who put
>pageants above everything else in the world. Many of
>us CAN afford to pay the big high prices but see that
>it is wrong for our children to learn that kind of
>game. It seems that the "guru" people prey on those
>who don't have money or education to see through them.
>Beware of these money games in pageants for the new
>year and read this post that was below, it is good.
>-------------------------------------------------------
>------------- ------------ Well I'm not jealous to
>Everyone December 29, 2002 20:22:51 (EST) | Top |
>Bottom | of those people who will have empty
>cupboards, crusty clothing, lights being cut off, no
>phone, and a hooptie for a ride so they can spend
>every penny they have on outrageously priced H/M, too
>expensive photos and dresses that look like a craft
>store upchucked on it. Actually I pity someone that
>will not pay bills or buy groceries while they pursue
>the crown for their child. We love glitz pageants as
>much as the next person but I'm not going into debt
>over them. My daughter has a national level dress and
>I didn't pay thousands for it, her makeup is just as
>good as those 300.00 ones and I do it, same with the
>hair. Her photos I paid 200.00 sitting fee. That
>included hair and makeup-got 24 shots with five
>different hair styles and changes. This was instudio
>mind you not a photo shoot. I paid 100.00 for two
>8x10's and one 5x7 and there was no retouching. She
>hasn't lost a photogenic yet and usually wins best
>dresses and most beautiful too. Do we do pageants
>every weekend? No way! We have a life and it doesn't
>revolve around pageants. Just because I don't see the
>point in going in debt or doing without essentials
>doesn't mean I'm jealous. It means I'm not stupid.

AMEN!!!!! This needed to be said. Plus all ya'll stage moms out there-Not everyone can be chosen, Your child may not be the best, and the h/m does not make a winner:True inner and outer beauty does!-Quit your gripping about the cost and find sponsors and ways to lower the costs. Hold fundraisers, sell candy-get off of your grippy butts and do some actual work to make your childrens dreams a reality. Do work to aid in the preliminary levels below or equal to your childs title in exchange for lower entry fees. If the child won nationals-do optional work for the state pageants. There are ways-now leave your computer and find them

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THE PAGEANT PREDICTION PLACE IS BOARD #117769..INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS GOING ON NOW -- Anonymous, 19:31:38 12/13/02 Fri

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MORE MONEY-MORE MONEY-MORE MONEY -- Anonymous, 14:24:52 11/27/02 Wed

ARE THESE DIRECTORS LOSING THEIR MINDS!!!!!!! They must think we are idiots. Prices were high before and numbers were low, and now they have a new "SCAM". Enter their photo contest to win your fees paid. WELL HONEY IF YOU PLAN ON WINNING ANYTHING OTHER THAN GRAND SUPREME YOU BETTER PLAN ON GETTING YOUR WALLET OUT BIG TIME, BECAUSE THAT PHOTO WIN WONT COVER ANYTHING ELSE. Some MONEY HUNGRY director found a new way to jab us some more and all the others are following along. ALL YOU MINI SUPREMES AND NOVICE WINNERS BETTER MAKE ANOTHER TRIP TO THE BANK. It seems like when one director tries to make pageants better ten others try to screw us a little more.If we dont stand up for outselves it will only get worse. Things have changed so much in the last 6 years I cant imagine what it will be like in 6 more years. How much more is everyone going take? It would be so nice to see scoresheets and master sheets at the pageant like they used to. It makes it a lot harder to cheat. It would be nice to have reputable judges that could care less who won and who they know. Years ago the directors used to put pictures of their judges and their credentials on their paperwork. No one knew them so it really didnt matter. Now they wont spend the money to get those type of judges for several reasons, being, cheating to get who they want wearing that crown and spending any more money .SOMEONE NEEDS TO PUT UP A BOARD TO RATE PAGEANTS AND TELL WHAT THE REASONS ARE FOR THE RATING GOOD OR BAD.I dont think they should be rated bad because someone didnt win but for things that can be proven. In fact If someone else dosent do it I just might.THEY HAVE EVERY KIND OF COMPLAINT BOARD, WHY NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP US FOR A CHANGE. All your complaining has done nothing but made them worse.
I'm sure they will come on here and bash what I have to say but thats o.k. I've heard all their excuses before.

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[> Re: MORE MONEY-MORE MONEY-MORE MONEY -- Anonymous, 12:44:58 11/28/02 Thu

>ARE THESE DIRECTORS LOSING THEIR MINDS!!!!!!! They
>must think we are idiots. Prices were high before and
>numbers were low, and now they have a new "SCAM".
>Enter their photo contest to win your fees paid. WELL
>HONEY IF YOU PLAN ON WINNING ANYTHING OTHER THAN GRAND
>SUPREME YOU BETTER PLAN ON GETTING YOUR WALLET OUT BIG
>TIME, BECAUSE THAT PHOTO WIN WONT COVER ANYTHING ELSE.
>Some MONEY HUNGRY director found a new way to jab us
>some more and all the others are following along. ALL
>YOU MINI SUPREMES AND NOVICE WINNERS BETTER MAKE
>ANOTHER TRIP TO THE BANK. It seems like when one
>director tries to make pageants better ten others try
>to screw us a little more.If we dont stand up for
>outselves it will only get worse. Things have changed
>so much in the last 6 years I cant imagine what it
>will be like in 6 more years. How much more is
>everyone going take? It would be so nice to see
>scoresheets and master sheets at the pageant like they
>used to. It makes it a lot harder to cheat. It would
>be nice to have reputable judges that could care less
>who won and who they know. Years ago the directors
>used to put pictures of their judges and their
>credentials on their paperwork. No one knew them so it
>really didnt matter. Now they wont spend the money to
>get those type of judges for several reasons, being,
>cheating to get who they want wearing that crown and
>spending any more money .SOMEONE NEEDS TO PUT UP A
>BOARD TO RATE PAGEANTS AND TELL WHAT THE REASONS ARE
>FOR THE RATING GOOD OR BAD.I dont think they should be
>rated bad because someone didnt win but for things
>that can be proven. In fact If someone else dosent do
>it I just might.THEY HAVE EVERY KIND OF COMPLAINT
>BOARD, WHY NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP US FOR A
>CHANGE. All your complaining has done nothing but made
>them worse.
>I'm sure they will come on here and bash what I have
>to say but thats o.k. I've heard all their excuses
>before.

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[> Re: MORE MONEY-MORE MONEY-MORE MONEY -- Anonymous, 19:03:47 11/29/02 Fri

>ARE THESE DIRECTORS LOSING THEIR MINDS!!!!!!! They
>must think we are idiots. Prices were high before and
>numbers were low, and now they have a new "SCAM".
>Enter their photo contest to win your fees paid. WELL
>HONEY IF YOU PLAN ON WINNING ANYTHING OTHER THAN GRAND
>SUPREME YOU BETTER PLAN ON GETTING YOUR WALLET OUT BIG
>TIME, BECAUSE THAT PHOTO WIN WONT COVER ANYTHING ELSE.
>Some MONEY HUNGRY director found a new way to jab us
>some more and all the others are following along. ALL
>YOU MINI SUPREMES AND NOVICE WINNERS BETTER MAKE
>ANOTHER TRIP TO THE BANK. It seems like when one
>director tries to make pageants better ten others try
>to screw us a little more.If we dont stand up for
>outselves it will only get worse. Things have changed
>so much in the last 6 years I cant imagine what it
>will be like in 6 more years. How much more is
>everyone going take? It would be so nice to see
>scoresheets and master sheets at the pageant like they
>used to. It makes it a lot harder to cheat. It would
>be nice to have reputable judges that could care less
>who won and who they know. Years ago the directors
>used to put pictures of their judges and their
>credentials on their paperwork. No one knew them so it
>really didnt matter. Now they wont spend the money to
>get those type of judges for several reasons, being,
>cheating to get who they want wearing that crown and
>spending any more money .SOMEONE NEEDS TO PUT UP A
>BOARD TO RATE PAGEANTS AND TELL WHAT THE REASONS ARE
>FOR THE RATING GOOD OR BAD.I dont think they should be
>rated bad because someone didnt win but for things
>that can be proven. In fact If someone else dosent do
>it I just might.THEY HAVE EVERY KIND OF COMPLAINT
>BOARD, WHY NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP US FOR A
>CHANGE. All your complaining has done nothing but made
>them worse.
>I'm sure they will come on here and bash what I have
>to say but thats o.k. I've heard all their excuses
>before.
You are right-they do need a pageant rating board. But we have just started pageants in August & each program book lists the judges & the credentials. Maybe the Northeast has more honest pageant system. I moved up North 13 years ago but I used to attend Southern pageants and they weren't that bad. Apparently they are now..........

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[> [> Re: You are doing the wrong pageants then -- Anonymous, 05:04:09 12/10/02 Tue

Try NES they give individual scoresheets out, masters available and judges names and bios are in the program books, just a couple of things you complained about above. There are plenty of other pageants like NES you just have to check around and find the good ones. In the Northeast I don't know of any pageant that cheats, they are very fair up here all of them

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I GOT SOME INFORMATION FROM THEIR WORLD HEADQUARTERS. MAYBE THIS WILL HELP. -- Anonymous, 23:54:38 12/02/02 Mon

Their World Pageant is January 17-20(actually the 19th).
Memphis Marriott East
Age groups:0-18m, 19-36m, 3-4, 5-6, 7-9, 10-12, 13-14, 15-17, 18-28never married college/career, 18-28 married, 29 & over married or single.
If you live in a state that they don't have a director you can compete for your state title at World.
I found their site at www.ourlittlemiss.com

Hope this helps. I think we are going to give it a try. It's pretty close to home and we are ready for something different.

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WE WOULD LIKE INFORMATION. I'VE HEARD THEY ARE A FAIR PAGEANT AND LOVE THE KIDS. -- Anonymous, 20:25:08 12/01/02 Sun

When are they coming? I've been trying to get information about local stagings and it seems they are not in Tennessee. If we live here in TN can we go to their Nationals without first doing a local or state for them? Just curious. Please post when you get the information.

WE ARE READY FOR SOMETHING NEW WITH NO POLITICS.

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[> Good Luck I have requested info from OLM for 2 months. -- Anonymous, 20:27:42 12/02/02 Mon

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I HEARD OUR LITTLE MISS IS BRINGING A NATIONAL TO MEMPHIS IN JANUARY! ANYBODY GAME? -- Anonymous, 07:26:02 12/01/02 Sun

LET'S SHOW THESE HAIR AND MAKE-UP PEOPLE THEY DON'T RULE US ALL! I'M READY TO TRY A NATURAL PAGEANT? ANYBODY KNOW INFO ABOUT THE PAGEANT?

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hERE IS WHAT WE CAN DO. -- Anonymous, 17:09:08 11/06/02 Wed

Subject: THIS IS A FUNNY POST - THEY DESERVE IT, IMO (FROM THE ps BOARD)

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There is also an email to the IRS to Everyone November 6, 2002 18:58:4 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
Copies of all the posts bragging about how many they have at the pageant PLUS the copy of their paperwork showing how much they charge should get a rise out of the IRS investigators. Also the H/M is as illegal as it can be. All they need is to know how many times the $300 or $350 and they can tell what has not been turned in by adding up the pageants THEY deduct on their taxes. What a joke it is going to be when it is turned around on them. They have had a gravy train but most of that gravy has NOT been put down. Some of their COI businesses might be, because they can take the deuductions for mileage and such. But guess what, if they are using any pageant to advertise and promote themselves for 3 or 4 of their business,they can only deduct for ONE of them. Therefore the rest is not necessary to turn in to the IRS. I can't believe people haven't seen through this before. That is why so many people who compete have gone into some kind of sideline pageant business, you can take all the deductions on one business, but NOT on 5 or 6. imo
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18:35:36 to Everyone November 6, 2002 18:52:5 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
I did all that. I sent them they're paperwork copies where they ask for cash only at the door, paperwork of their photo shoot prices. print outs of their websites, and gave them the name and phone # of the hotel that held the pageant at so they could confirm the room block and how many rooms were filled. I sent them a copy of the banner where they bragged about their almost 200 contestants. I know 3 others that did the same thing. They won't get away with all they have for long. Did you all know they paid cash for their house, stable and pool? How many of us can do that and not pay taxes?
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18:27:53 to Everyone November 6, 2002 18:41:4 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
Sad you say? They cleared over $130,000 this past weekend and probably won't claim half of it, if any. I got my paycheck today and uncle sam took his big chunk right out of it. I work 40-45 hrs a week and don't have a leisurely life as you say and it only takes a few minutes to call. They'd turn you in in a heartbeat if they had something on you.
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IRS to Everyone November 6, 2002 18:35:36 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
when you repost, you should do it iun writing. Include any websites, emaills etc. this is proof of their charges, how many clients etc. They need to investigate all of it aND IT TAKES TIME. tHEY NEED ALL THIS INFO

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17:22:5 to Everyone November 6, 2002 17:54:16 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
Anal? Now thats a great choice of words considering we're talking about Troy and Michael! We'll see who is laughing when the feds start investigating them.
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17127 to Everyone November 6, 2002 17:23:8 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
Hey I have an even better idea, report the welfare fraud that you fat butted moms use to do these pageants. Foodstamps, government funding for pageants how is that.
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Time to turn the Tables to Everyone November 6, 2002 17:1:27 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
Here is the phone number for the IRS Tax Fraud Line. 1-800-829 0433 Call it and report Troy D. and Michael B. for Tax fraud on their 2 pageant businesses, hair and makeup business and phtotography business. I bet you anything they don't claim all that income. I know of 4 people that have called it this week and reported them its anonymous for the caller and they will be investigated and charged. Imagine what a wonderful place the pageant world would be without those snakes in the grass.

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Someone was right, their disciples are lying out their asses about the numbers. LOL -- Anonymous, 07:41:43 11/02/02 Sat

I'll bet............ to Everyone November 2, 2002 10:22:55 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
some of the winners that the director PICKS will be some moms he wants for directors. All their winners are strategized to help them in some way. The big names they owe favors to or the names they want to support them will win. The newer ones, whose moms have sucked up and said they would be directors in other states will also win. That is an easy transparent pageant to figure the winners because it is all to help the directors who judge their own pageant. rotflmao....what a waste of good money.
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9:56 - well to Everyone November 2, 2002 10:7:17 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
from the time they started, they wanted to be a CM or Sunburst b/c they saw all the big bucks Ruth and Chuck were making. They got those crazy directors from several states who are the WANNABE groupies of the pageant world. They sweet talked them into fooling newbies and I say they have fooled some. Hopefully, there are not 200 of them. My best info on the numbers is about 70 to 80, MAYBE. Times are hard and I am hoping the newbies read about this system on the boards before they wasted their money and supported such a rotten (imo) system.
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FF to Everyone November 2, 2002 9:56:9 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
I bet they do have 200. They ran it just like Cover Miss this year with all those state directors. I know of people who went who have no business being there and they are about to find out with their pocketbooks what all the talk on the boards is about.
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lol about the mumbers,. to Everyone November 2, 2002 9:30:35 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
Think about it people, their are only maybe 50 big names in the whole pag industry if that, throw in some free entries, newbies, and the lol, novice which I always laughed at and you probably have at best almost 100 or maybe close to 75. Its the same kids, and I have to laugh because even winning you have paid for the crown and trophy by the time you add everything up and then monday we will here congrats to little susie because she was the awsome proam winner and then some mom will get on here and say it was fixed, well duh, lol, welcome to the pageant world people don't take everything so seriously its just a pageant, just a pageant you say I spent 1000.00 on entries alone, lol. Wow thats alot of mcdonalds for some of you, lol.
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9:16 that is about right to Everyone November 2, 2002 9:29:24 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
If they will LIE about numbers, they will LIE about anything. They just gotta try to get attention by misleading. That is the way they mislead the newbies about their systems. This is NOT good publicity for pageants and I hope people are seeing that. If you want to be big and you are not, the last thing to do is LIE. But then again, it shows you what they are.
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Faces to Everyone November 2, 2002 9:16:3 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
I guess they have 70-90 but of course they will tell everyone that have over 200
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MDD numbers Well some to Everyone November 2, 2002 8:52:16 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
pageants reserve blocks of numbers for age groups. Just because somebody is number 505 doesn't mean that she is the 505th contestant. I'm sure its big but its not THAT big. We were going to go but decided to do a different pageant later this month. One a month is pretty much our rule.
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MDD is so biggggggg to Everyone November 2, 2002 8:20:16 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
My 5 year old talked to a 7 year old that was at MDD and she was number 505. Goodness that must mean they are HUGGGGEE. My aunt who si twice removed from my cousin said their numbers were so big they couldn't get them all in the door. GEE, we must believe this, right.
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2240 BUBLLLLLL to Everyone November 2, 2002 8:6:48 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
Every year they get one of their disciples to put up that they have about l00 more than the actuallly have. Same trick every year. Now this is done to try to impress people and is part of their persona. They have egos that have to be inflated. However, the numbers that are there are the small town little people who don't have a chance of a snowball in he&& and they don't understand that this will still be judged by the director on experience, and yes, the package and how they want the winners to go. Every year same old, same old. That is the reason they have so many newbies, people who have found them out would not touch that pageant with a ten foot pole and pay that over $1000 fee.
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Fab Faces to Everyone November 1, 2002 22:40:32 (EST) | Top | Bottom |
My friend is at FF and she said that there are a lot of girls there! She said one girls who is around 8 or 9 was number one hundred and fifty something! A lot of BIG names too!

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TONI OVERBY STOLE MONEY FROM US!!!!!!!! -- Anonymous, 07:34:28 10/28/02 Mon

For those of you who will listen....
I had posted on the boards several weeks ago needing help contacting Toni Overby about a deposit I had for pictures that were NEVER taken. My little girl has spinda bifida and needed critical test done in the hospital the days of the shoot, i IMMEDIATELY told the coordinator about this and had someone to fill my slot and still wasn't given my deposit back. Then during the shoot I heard word that Toni was giving a lady that lived 30 minutes away form me the deposit back, and she would get it to me. It never happened. I called Toni several times and left messages to have her call me or send my money back and have not heard form her still! Now i KNOW WHY! She cashed the check! I called my bank and they said it was already cash, How in the world could she have the heart to TAKE money form me! I NEVER in the world expected this of her, especially since I had tried to fill my slots WEEKS before the shoot and was told no. I am outraged about all of this! Toni Overby has basically stole 125.00 dollars from us! We sent the deposit for pictures and never had them! I f I were going to GIVE my money away, I would have given it to a charity not to line Tonis wallet! I am still in shock that Toni would do something this low. We had shot with her before and I was hoping after she would send our deposit back that we could shoot again, but after she stole this money from us, there is no way I would do business with her again or recommend her to anyone! The sad thing is I recommended a good friend of mine to her because I wanted her to have great PICS and then she does this to me. I guess she is only in it for the money and truly cares nothing about the children or anyone else!

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still havent received her deposit back?! -- Anonymous, 06:30:03 10/28/02 Mon

PLEASE HELP! I NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH TONI OVERBY! -- MAGDA, 09:56:39 10/16/02 Wed
For those of you that don't know Taylor has spina bifida, and we were planning on shooting with Toni Overby on the 15th in AIKEN In good faith I sent our deposit in on 9/27/02. But since then Taylor has had some medical issues as described in an email I sent Tammy Parker on 10/4/02.
We were supposed to shoot with her at 8 PM tonight but I called Tammy this morning, she said that they couldn't shoot Taylor that Toni had to leave early. I have a son that needs to be picked up from school and a doctors consult this PM. Which makes it impossible to shoot before Toni leaves?
My whole problem is that I had informed Tammy of this problem on Oct 4th, and luckily I have all the emails to & from b/w the 2 of us! She stated that she had mailed the deposit to Toni already, then I found out Toni does not receive the deposits. I didn't want to short Tammy or Toni a roll, so this is why i IMMEDIATELY let her know. I even found someone to fill my slot and Tammy refused to use the deposit for her. I did talk with Toni and she was very understanding to Taylor's condition & said to book me last apt on wed, but now they have cx that & I'm not receiving my deposit back. Toni said we could apply it to another shoot, but she & I are both not sure when this can be done, especially with the possibility of spinal sx on Taylor. We as most of you know are on a VERY tight budget and I feel as I am being taken advantage of. We were not happy with Taylor's last shoot with Toni, Toni and I discussed that, that is why I was shooting with her again, because I know her talent and wanted to try to get awesome PICS like form the 1st shoot again. but Taylor's health comes 1st.
I am at a lose here, I tried calling Tammy parker back and I was hung up on. Why a coordinator or human would do this to me is beyond me! We have been to 2 other shoots with Toni and have never had a problem. My friends have tried to help me fill my slot but were told no! I have enough on my worrying about Taylor. Does anyone have Tonis cell # that I can reach her at, it is apparent that Tammy wont let me talk with Toni. I know that Tammy did not have enough rolls for Toni and that she emailed a friend of mine just yesterday letting her know she had slots oopend. I d appreciate any help form anyone if you can help, I don't know what to do to reach Toni. And I and sure if Toni knew that Tammy hung up on me she would be upset. It is very hurtful for her business to have such a coordinator. IM positive that Toni will make this right and send the deposit back, considering the circumstances.
Magda

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Sorry to hear about your little girl. Leave your email and I will get you Toni's number. (NT) -- No name, 19:59:44 10/16/02 Wed
You are on a tight budget and still want to get pageant pics? Where are the priorities here. (NT) -- No name, 09:27:30 10/17/02 Thu
she has a child with a problem and probably wants her to feel good~ (NT) -- No name, 23:51:45 10/18/02 Fri
This mom gave money for a service, pictures, which she did not receive, so why shouldnt she get her money back, especially this being a medical necessity, it would be right to refund it. (NT) -- No name, 11:53:23 10/17/02 Thu
She should definately get her money back, but dont ... -- No name, 03:58:24 10/18/02 Fri
Please ........ -- No name, 20:56:37 10/17/02 Thu
I cannot believe that anyone would NOT give back the money. HELLO the lady says she had people willing to fill her spot. Therefore, THO would not have been losing money. What is the problem? Something is not right here and it sure sounds like the coordinator has a major problem. She needs to be dealt with. Surely THO will see her for what she is worth - NOT MUCH - and will refund this lady her money. (NT) -- If not then I have certainly lost all respect for THO., 22:38:05 10/17/02 Thu
Has this lady received her deposit back yet? We are debating on which photographer to shoot with. (NT) -- No name, 19:07:30 10/22/02 Tue
Toni has NOT refunded this deposit!!! She even had Leisa Myers tell the woman she WOULD... (NT) -- No name, 06:26:30 10/24/02 Thu
Thank you for the info on Toni, I have spoke with several others and they were not happy at all with her proofs and felt it was a waste of money. So we will go elsewhere. Any suggestions as to a fair and good photographer? (NT) -- No name, 17:00:25 10/24/02 Thu
Try John Bonfanti in Baton Rouge Hes GREAT!!!! (NT) -- www.JonhBonfanti.com, 18:08:34 10/26/02 Sat
Try John Bonfanti in Baton Rouge Hes GREAT!!!! (NT) -- www.JonhBonfanti.com, 18:09:45 10/26/02 Sat
Could Toni be hurting for 125.00 deposit?! Please, she makes enough at one shoot to let this woman have her money back! (NT) -- No name, 18:10:14 10/23/02 Wed
Pulllleeezzzz. She makes a ton of money that is for certain but she is still a tightwad. She needs to be decent and give this woman's money back period. She didn't get photos and had many people willing to take her place if she don't get the money back to this woman she ought to be whiped. (NT) -- No name, 23:09:49 10/26/02 Sat
IF YOU READ THIS EMAIL AND STILL NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH TONI OVERBY, LEAVE ME A MESSAGE ON THIS BOARD AND I WILL GET IT TO YOU, THANKS (NT) -- No name, 08:38:58 10/25/02 Fri
YES! I have a friend going To SBB this weekend and i have left a message at Tonis home # to give the deposit to her ,i haven't heard back from Toni yet , if you could give her teh message or email me with another way to contact her ,I WOULD SOOOO appreciate it! thanks so much! (NT) -- Magda- fotofreakmom@aol.com, 09:07:13 10/25/02 Fri
Ok, i still havent heard back from Toni, i have left her 2 messages . My friend didnt go to the pageant this weekend as planned. BUt i still have not heard form Toni nor recieved my deposit back. Could someone email me an alternate way to get a hold of her, i feel as if she is avoiding me! (NT) -- Magda, 06:22:56 10/28/02 Mon

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Here is what the gurus were trying to hide with their CNN crap. -- Anonymous, 14:01:43 10/14/02 Mon

Read this is you are even THINKING about going to any FF pageant. -- Anonymous, 09:35:12 09/07/02 Sat

Subject: LETS MAKE A LIST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT T/M "RUN"

Author:
Anonymous

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Date Posted: 06:49:14 09/07/02 Sat

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TROY AND MICHAEL RUN ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES EITHER HANDS ON OR THROUGH A 2ND PARTY.

2 PAGEANTS
GLAMOUR DOLLS
FABULOUS FACES

HAIR AND MAKEUP

PHOTOGRAPHY

CLOTHING THROUGH
CHRISTINA'S (TINA MARSHALL)

SWIMSUITS THROUGH
SANDI HENRY

FALLS AND HAIRPIECES

TANNING THROUGH
LORI FRANKLIN

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ho ho ho he he he - NOW WE KNOW WHY THOSE MOM'S HAVE LESS THAN PRETTY KIDS WHO WIN PAGEANTS. THAT EXPLAINS HOW SOME OF THEM WON FF AND GD.....NOW I SEE, HA HA HA HA HA (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:16:03 09/07/02 Sat
Let's list all Michael Butlers businesses: Hair and makeup, photography, don't forget coaching with or without Shane, also designed clothes, not to mention "running or should I say owning" pageants from behind the scene! This came from S & M OWN mouth. I am a former client they assured me my kid would win if I went because someone was having the pageant for them. YOu know it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out besides Butler who is always on here bashing..let's see, have daughters always beat by Hannah.... (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:53:21 09/07/02 Sat
MOST ALL THE PROBLEMS IN PAGEANTS HAVE BEEN CREATED BY THESE FOUR 'GUYS'. Now what we have here are 4 men who have egos bigger than well......anyway, lol, they think they are something. They are haughty and arrogrant if anyone dares to try to make waves in their all consuming businesses. If these guys are all tied up with the FF and MDD pageant systems, THE BEST THING TO DO IS NOT SUPPORT EITHER ONE OF THEM. We all know that t/m's suck ups will be at theirs and those that Butler control will be at MDD, now why would any other dumb smuck want to go and pay for their kids and clients to win. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:08:31 09/07/02 Sat
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE KIDS OWNED BY THESE ABOVE LISTED BUSINESS PARTNERS HAVE WON BIG TITLES AND BOTH FF AND GD. NOW IF THAT ISN'T CLEAR TO YOU DUMMIES, NOTHING ELSE IS. THAT IS THE BIGGEST COI IN PAGEANTS. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM FF AND GD ARE. NOTHING IF YOU GOT A BRAIN. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:12:44 09/07/02 Sat
Re: I HAVE TO AGREE ON ALOT OF THAT. DH AND JM ARE NOT AT ALL PRETTY AND YET THEY HAVE MANAGED TO WIN BIG GRANDS AT THE PAGEANTS T/M HAVE IN THEIR POCKETS. HANNA D LOOKS GOOD ON STAGE AFTER ALL THE THICK PANCAKE MAKEUP FAKE LASHES AND PAINTES ON FEATURES BUT CLOSE UP WITHOUT ALL THE MAKEUP THE CHILD IS DOWNRIGHT HOMELY. I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT BUT ITS TRUE. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:20:51 09/07/02 Sat
This is the way it is. These kids that are up the rears of T/M can't win any other way. Also, they ONLY win at pageants where the gurus control. They go back to the same ones every year and get their wins. NONE of their business partners clients can venture to any other pageant and do any good. Few of their clients can go elsewhere and win either. imho (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:29:29 09/07/02 Sat

Subject: ANY PREDICTIONS FOR NE FABULOUS FACES?

Author:
Anonymous

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Date Posted: 06:12:45 09/07/02 Sat

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ALOT OF KIDS MADE UP TO LOOK LIKE DRAG QUEENS WHO HAVE MAMAS WHO ARE WILLING TO SUCK GURU BUTT TO GET THEM SHABBY WINS THAT NOONE RESPECTS. LOL (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:16:51 09/07/02 Sat
Re: I thought they wanted more natural looks for this pageant? (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:43:10 09/07/02 Sat
They tell you that but it is BULLSHIT. All the winners are big pros faked up just like they are at GD. WHAT about the fact they judge their own pageant don't you understand? It is all about their clients and ALL their clients are made up heavy and have all the fake hair, etc. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:14:54 09/07/02 Sat
Re: Can anyone please make real predictions on this pageant and not just vent against T/M! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:24:10 09/07/02 Sat
IF THEY WERE NOT SUCH JERKS, IT WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING. HERE IS A PREDICTION FOR YOU....ALL THE WINNERS WILL BE THEIR BUSINESS PARTNERS KIDS, BEST FRIENDS KIDS, CLIENTS KIDS AND THE PEOPLE HAVE MONEY THAT THEY WANT TO BE THEIR CLIENTS WILL ALLLLLLL WIN. IT IS ALWAYS THAT WAY. THEY JUDGE THEIR OWN PAGEANT, THAT SAYS IT ALL. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:25:40 09/07/02 Sat

Subject: Mystical Dreams vs. FF

Author:
Anonymous

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Date Posted: 07:30:05 09/07/02 Sat

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Has anybody bothered to call Toni O. yet and tell her what she's getting herself into with this MD director? The director got Toni hook, line&sinker by giving Toni's kid a grand supreme in one of her many photo contests to ensure that Toni would come...also gave grand supreme entries to some of Toni's other kids, including CF to make sure the kid didn't even go back and crown at FF and came to her pageant instead. The woman has a ran a heavy line of crock by Toni telling Toni she already has 30 paid entries in her hand and that is she is giving the money no matter what and Toni has fallen for it......has anybody bothered to tell Toni how involved Michael Butler is in this thing and that once Linda gets Toni and her kids there and she gets their money, they are ALL getting screwed???

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Well, people WARNED THO about getting involved with FF last year and their her kid and her favorties clients got screwed. She did not listen about T and M, even tho she KNEW what they were capable of. I doubt she will listen about this either. FF is far more political because t/m control more judges and people than BUTLER, imo. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:10:46 09/07/02 Sat
At least the winners Toni did have at FF last year GOT their $. No way will this lady pay this $. Her entire pageant was planned with Michael Butler to hurt FF. She has given every single one of Toni's major clients a free entry to this pageant, and many more free entries as well, and claiming she has 30 paid entries in hand. I just hate to see all these kids get screwed. The woman will never be able to pay her money. Would love to see some initials of these supposed 30 "paid" entries she has! (NT) --
Subject: On a post below, a poster tells about the fall business that Lopez started.

Author:
Anonymous

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Date Posted: 06:20:16 09/07/02 Sat

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They posted that Troy and Michael put up a banner on the Bravo making fun of Farrah's Falls. I think that is the dirtiest thing I have ever heard of. They were big buddies and Farah's mom was SOOOOOOOO into them. The posts says that they were made because she started that business. The NOW have a fall business and the poster said they were so greedy they wanted that too, along with their other 6 or 7 spin off COI businesses. They have got to be the most selfish people I have heard of. They want it all. I wish I could have seen the banner they put up making fun of her fall business. But that is the way they are. They can't stand for anyone to have ANYTHING but them. What did the banner say? I would like to hear more about this, it is one of the tackier things they have done, besides bashing kids on the internet because they were mad at their parents.

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Re: It is not F. Lopez. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:26:30 09/07/02 Sat
THEN WHO IS F'S MOM. THEY ALSO HAD A FALLING OUT WITH FL AND HER MOM OVER SOMETHING. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:41:43 09/07/02 Sat
Re: Lopez switched to Toni O for h/m. that was what got them hating on her. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:44:22 09/07/02 Sat
HERE IS THE POST BELOW>>>> T/M do not give a damn if she awards the money or not. What they do care about is loosing 50 or more contestants in their own pageants. Don't you get they do not care about YOU or your kid, all they care about is their wallet ! Remember when F's mom started selling falls and they had a banner made ridiculing her ? I was so shocked. With 2 pageants and a photography business, you'd think they could leave the hair fall business to someone else but noooooooo !! (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:26:34 09/07/02 Sat

Subject: MDD vs FF

Author:
Anonymous

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Date Posted: 06:55:05 09/06/02 Fri

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Well I intended to go to FF in the beginning but I've definitely changed my mind.
T&M have been bashing in every single possible way since MDD started - not only did they call the director and THREATENED her, but they bashed H/M coming, kids coming, gosh they even bashed the HOTEL price !!
How can adults go that low ? And the worse is they must think we are so damn stupid and no see through them.

So... we're headed to MDD instead. Butler is supposed to "run the show". He was supposed to run quite a number of pageants this year (including some he didnt even come to). He was supposed to run ED last year - but guess who won a Supreme and 8 door titles ? It wasn't LB ! LOL.

I just wish all of the directors would stop taking us for fools and let us make our own decisions. T/M sure showed their true faces these past few months and I for one am NOT liking them.

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T/M are egotistical, nasty, and twofaced creeps. They bash anyone and everyone that is not tied in with them and their systems. They have been into wars with every other big name h/m person and are in wars with parents that leave them for someone better. They showed their true colors years ago when the bashed kids all over the internet and spit in the face of the woman holding her child. The reason they spit on her was because she had the guts to call their pageant systems what they are which is hi-priced POLITICAL TRASH.. imho (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:15:31 09/06/02 Fri
Amen Sister !!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:49:30 09/06/02 Fri
Please go to MDD........I don't think I can be in the same room much less hotel with people who are sooooooo worried over a CHILDRENS beauty pageant!! Please go,go, go to MDD and shut the HELL up!!!!!!! I will got to faces and bring back hopefully one of those gorgeous crowns!!!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:55:09 09/06/02 Fri
Please go to MDD........I don't think I can be in the same room much less hotel with people who are sooooooo worried over a CHILDRENS beauty pageant!! Please go,go, go to MDD and shut the HELL up!!!!!!! I will got to faces and bring back hopefully one of those gorgeous crowns!!!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:55:10 09/06/02 Fri
LOL if you're not "worried" then what are you doing here ? Pot calling the kettle black much !! (NT) -- Anonymous, 09:04:07 09/06/02 Fri
THEN YOU BETTER HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT STINKY GURU SH** ALL OVER YOUR NOSE AND FACE. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN FF AND NO CROWN IS WORTH THE KIND OF STINKY THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO WIN AN FF PAGEANT. PARTICULARLY WHEN THE DAMN DIRECTOR YOU SUCK BUTT WITH JUDGES THEIR OWN PAGEANT. ROTFLMAO (NT) -- Anonymous, 09:34:36 09/06/02 Fri
If you know all, please tell who is going to win in the 0-4 at faces. (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:12:21 09/06/02 Fri
Let me add that I know it is a 0-5 grand, but give me winners in each age group as well as the 0-5 grand. Convince me BABY! (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:20:00 09/06/02 Fri
You'll have to call TM they have the winners list at their house. If you BABY them enough maybe they'll share it with you BABY. (NT) -- Anonymous, 13:16:40 09/06/02 Fri
You have to promise to become a big client of their and let them rule you and your child, tell you where to go and tell you what to spend. THEN they will give you a crown in return. That is how you win FF or GD, SUCK BABY SUCK. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:06:55 09/07/02 Sat

Subject: Here is some truthfulness about the guru directors who are so worried about their pageant. If they were not worried, they would not have called their soldiers out to post for them on any board where they are being exposed.

Author:
Anonymous

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Date Posted: 16:39:30 09/06/02 Fri

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They start out with all the sugarcoated lies then they move on to snare the big money from anyone who is willing to pay. After you pay in several thousand dollars, you begin to see that that money is going for their child and their wins. If you happen to compete in the same supreme group, you start noticing a tearing down of your child in suttle ways. This happens if they are scared your child might win out. They make fun of them in underhanded tacky ways and someone who has a brain begins to see the method they use. They try to brainwash you that THEIR child is better than everyone else and that you have to come in second place or suffer the consequences. I guess some people who don't have a child in their age group or supreme group might last longer than those who do. It also depends on how much money you got and how long they can suck you dry and you not figure it out. A year would be about right because that is about 4 or 5 pageants and that is where the true colors start showing after seeing their displays or arrogance and spitefulness.

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This post describes (NT) -- Anonymous, 05:59:22 09/07/02 Sat
Re: This post describes T AND M like it was written for them. rotflmao, cuz I am sure it was. LOL LOL LOL LOL (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:00:08 09/07/02 Sat

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[> Re: Here is what the gurus were trying to hide with their CNN crap. -- Anonymous, 23:02:26 11/24/04 Wed

>Read this is you are even THINKING about going to any
>FF pageant. -- Anonymous, 09:35:12 09/07/02 Sat
>
>Subject: LETS MAKE A LIST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT T/M
>"RUN"
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>Date Posted: 06:49:14 09/07/02 Sat
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>TROY AND MICHAEL RUN ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES EITHER
>HANDS ON OR THROUGH A 2ND PARTY.
>
>2 PAGEANTS
>GLAMOUR DOLLS
>FABULOUS FACES
>
>HAIR AND MAKEUP
>
>PHOTOGRAPHY
>
>CLOTHING THROUGH
>CHRISTINA'S (TINA MARSHALL)
>
>SWIMSUITS THROUGH
>SANDI HENRY
>
>FALLS AND HAIRPIECES
>
>TANNING THROUGH
>LORI FRANKLIN
>
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>
>Replies:
>ho ho ho he he he - NOW WE KNOW WHY THOSE MOM'S HAVE
>LESS THAN PRETTY KIDS WHO WIN PAGEANTS. THAT EXPLAINS
>HOW SOME OF THEM WON FF AND GD.....NOW I SEE, HA HA HA
>HA HA (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:16:03 09/07/02 Sat
>Let's list all Michael Butlers businesses: Hair and
>makeup, photography, don't forget coaching with or
>without Shane, also designed clothes, not to mention
>"running or should I say owning" pageants from behind
>the scene! This came from S & M OWN mouth. I am a
>former client they assured me my kid would win if I
>went because someone was having the pageant for them.
>YOu know it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
>out besides Butler who is always on here
>bashing..let's see, have daughters always beat by
>Hannah.... (NT) -- Anonymous, 07:53:21 09/07/02 Sat
>MOST ALL THE PROBLEMS IN PAGEANTS HAVE BEEN CREATED BY
>THESE FOUR 'GUYS'. Now what we have here are 4 men who
>have egos bigger than well......anyway, lol, they
>think they are something. They are haughty and
>arrogrant if anyone dares to try to make waves in
>their all consuming businesses. If these guys are all
>tied up with the FF and MDD pageant systems, THE BEST
>THING TO DO IS NOT SUPPORT EITHER ONE OF THEM. We all
>know that t/m's suck ups will be at theirs and those
>that Butler control will be at MDD, now why would any
>other dumb smuck want to go and pay for their kids and
>clients to win. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:08:31 09/07/02
>Sat
>EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE KIDS OWNED BY THESE ABOVE
>LISTED BUSINESS PARTNERS HAVE WON BIG TITLES AND BOTH
>FF AND GD. NOW IF THAT ISN'T CLEAR TO YOU DUMMIES,
>NOTHING ELSE IS. THAT IS THE BIGGEST COI IN PAGEANTS.
>WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM FF
>AND GD ARE. NOTHING IF YOU GOT A BRAIN. (NT) --
>Anonymous, 08:12:44 09/07/02 Sat
>Re: I HAVE TO AGREE ON ALOT OF THAT. DH AND JM ARE NOT
>AT ALL PRETTY AND YET THEY HAVE MANAGED TO WIN BIG
>GRANDS AT THE PAGEANTS T/M HAVE IN THEIR POCKETS.
>HANNA D LOOKS GOOD ON STAGE AFTER ALL THE THICK
>PANCAKE MAKEUP FAKE LASHES AND PAINTES ON FEATURES BUT
>CLOSE UP WITHOUT ALL THE MAKEUP THE CHILD IS DOWNRIGHT
>HOMELY. I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT BUT ITS TRUE. (NT) --
>Anonymous, 08:20:51 09/07/02 Sat
>This is the way it is. These kids that are up the
>rears of T/M can't win any other way. Also, they ONLY
>win at pageants where the gurus control. They go back
>to the same ones every year and get their wins. NONE
>of their business partners clients can venture to any
>other pageant and do any good. Few of their clients
>can go elsewhere and win either. imho (NT) --
>Anonymous, 08:29:29 09/07/02 Sat
>
>
>Subject: ANY PREDICTIONS FOR NE FABULOUS FACES?
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>Date Posted: 06:12:45 09/07/02 Sat
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>
>[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
>
>Replies:
>ALOT OF KIDS MADE UP TO LOOK LIKE DRAG QUEENS WHO HAVE
>MAMAS WHO ARE WILLING TO SUCK GURU BUTT TO GET THEM
>SHABBY WINS THAT NOONE RESPECTS. LOL (NT) --
>Anonymous, 06:16:51 09/07/02 Sat
>Re: I thought they wanted more natural looks for this
>pageant? (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:43:10 09/07/02 Sat
>They tell you that but it is BULLSHIT. All the winners
>are big pros faked up just like they are at GD. WHAT
>about the fact they judge their own pageant don't you
>understand? It is all about their clients and ALL
>their clients are made up heavy and have all the fake
>hair, etc. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:14:54 09/07/02 Sat
>Re: Can anyone please make real predictions on this
>pageant and not just vent against T/M! (NT) --
>Anonymous, 08:24:10 09/07/02 Sat
>IF THEY WERE NOT SUCH JERKS, IT WOULD NOT BE
>HAPPENING. HERE IS A PREDICTION FOR YOU....ALL THE
>WINNERS WILL BE THEIR BUSINESS PARTNERS KIDS, BEST
>FRIENDS KIDS, CLIENTS KIDS AND THE PEOPLE HAVE MONEY
>THAT THEY WANT TO BE THEIR CLIENTS WILL ALLLLLLL WIN.
>IT IS ALWAYS THAT WAY. THEY JUDGE THEIR OWN PAGEANT,
>THAT SAYS IT ALL. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:25:40 09/07/02
>Sat
>
>
>Subject: Mystical Dreams vs. FF
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>Date Posted: 07:30:05 09/07/02 Sat
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>Has anybody bothered to call Toni O. yet and tell her
>what she's getting herself into with this MD director?
>The director got Toni hook, line&sinker by giving
>Toni's kid a grand supreme in one of her many photo
>contests to ensure that Toni would come...also gave
>grand supreme entries to some of Toni's other kids,
>including CF to make sure the kid didn't even go back
>and crown at FF and came to her pageant instead. The
>woman has a ran a heavy line of crock by Toni telling
>Toni she already has 30 paid entries in her hand and
>that is she is giving the money no matter what and
>Toni has fallen for it......has anybody bothered to
>tell Toni how involved Michael Butler is in this thing
>and that once Linda gets Toni and her kids there and
>she gets their money, they are ALL getting screwed???
>
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>
>Replies:
>Well, people WARNED THO about getting involved with FF
>last year and their her kid and her favorties clients
>got screwed. She did not listen about T and M, even
>tho she KNEW what they were capable of. I doubt she
>will listen about this either. FF is far more
>political because t/m control more judges and people
>than BUTLER, imo. (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:10:46 09/07/02
>Sat
>At least the winners Toni did have at FF last year GOT
>their $. No way will this lady pay this $. Her entire
>pageant was planned with Michael Butler to hurt FF.
>She has given every single one of Toni's major clients
>a free entry to this pageant, and many more free
>entries as well, and claiming she has 30 paid entries
>in hand. I just hate to see all these kids get
>screwed. The woman will never be able to pay her
>money. Would love to see some initials of these
>supposed 30 "paid" entries she has! (NT) --
>Subject: On a post below, a poster tells about the
>fall business that Lopez started.
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>Date Posted: 06:20:16 09/07/02 Sat
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>They posted that Troy and Michael put up a banner on
>the Bravo making fun of Farrah's Falls. I think that
>is the dirtiest thing I have ever heard of. They were
>big buddies and Farah's mom was SOOOOOOOO into them.
>The posts says that they were made because she started
>that business. The NOW have a fall business and the
>poster said they were so greedy they wanted that too,
>along with their other 6 or 7 spin off COI businesses.
>They have got to be the most selfish people I have
>heard of. They want it all. I wish I could have seen
>the banner they put up making fun of her fall
>business. But that is the way they are. They can't
>stand for anyone to have ANYTHING but them. What did
>the banner say? I would like to hear more about this,
>it is one of the tackier things they have done,
>besides bashing kids on the internet because they were
>mad at their parents.
>
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>
>Replies:
>Re: It is not F. Lopez. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:26:30
>09/07/02 Sat
>THEN WHO IS F'S MOM. THEY ALSO HAD A FALLING OUT WITH
>FL AND HER MOM OVER SOMETHING. (NT) -- Anonymous,
>06:41:43 09/07/02 Sat
>Re: Lopez switched to Toni O for h/m. that was what
>got them hating on her. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:44:22
>09/07/02 Sat
>HERE IS THE POST BELOW>>>> T/M do not give a damn if
>she awards the money or not. What they do care about
>is loosing 50 or more contestants in their own
>pageants. Don't you get they do not care about YOU or
>your kid, all they care about is their wallet !
>Remember when F's mom started selling falls and they
>had a banner made ridiculing her ? I was so shocked.
>With 2 pageants and a photography business, you'd
>think they could leave the hair fall business to
>someone else but noooooooo !! (NT) -- Anonymous,
>06:26:34 09/07/02 Sat
>
>
>Subject: MDD vs FF
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>Date Posted: 06:55:05 09/06/02 Fri
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>-------------------------
>Well I intended to go to FF in the beginning but I've
>definitely changed my mind.
>T&M have been bashing in every single possible way
>since MDD started - not only did they call the
>director and THREATENED her, but they bashed H/M
>coming, kids coming, gosh they even bashed the HOTEL
>price !!
>How can adults go that low ? And the worse is they
>must think we are so damn stupid and no see through
>them.
>
>So... we're headed to MDD instead. Butler is supposed
>to "run the show". He was supposed to run quite a
>number of pageants this year (including some he didnt
>even come to). He was supposed to run ED last year -
>but guess who won a Supreme and 8 door titles ? It
>wasn't LB ! LOL.
>
>I just wish all of the directors would stop taking us
>for fools and let us make our own decisions. T/M sure
>showed their true faces these past few months and I
>for one am NOT liking them.
>
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>
>Replies:
>T/M are egotistical, nasty, and twofaced creeps. They
>bash anyone and everyone that is not tied in with them
>and their systems. They have been into wars with every
>other big name h/m person and are in wars with parents
>that leave them for someone better. They showed their
>true colors years ago when the bashed kids all over
>the internet and spit in the face of the woman holding
>her child. The reason they spit on her was because she
>had the guts to call their pageant systems what they
>are which is hi-priced POLITICAL TRASH.. imho (NT) --
>Anonymous, 07:15:31 09/06/02 Fri
>Amen Sister !!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:49:30 09/06/02
>Fri
>Please go to MDD........I don't think I can be in the
>same room much less hotel with people who are sooooooo
>worried over a CHILDRENS beauty pageant!! Please
>go,go, go to MDD and shut the HELL up!!!!!!! I will
>got to faces and bring back hopefully one of those
>gorgeous crowns!!!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:55:09
>09/06/02 Fri
>Please go to MDD........I don't think I can be in the
>same room much less hotel with people who are sooooooo
>worried over a CHILDRENS beauty pageant!! Please
>go,go, go to MDD and shut the HELL up!!!!!!! I will
>got to faces and bring back hopefully one of those
>gorgeous crowns!!!! (NT) -- Anonymous, 08:55:10
>09/06/02 Fri
>LOL if you're not "worried" then what are you doing
>here ? Pot calling the kettle black much !! (NT) --
>Anonymous, 09:04:07 09/06/02 Fri
>THEN YOU BETTER HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT STINKY GURU
>SH** ALL OVER YOUR NOSE AND FACE. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT
>IT TAKES TO WIN FF AND NO CROWN IS WORTH THE KIND OF
>STINKY THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO WIN AN FF PAGEANT.
>PARTICULARLY WHEN THE DAMN DIRECTOR YOU SUCK BUTT WITH
>JUDGES THEIR OWN PAGEANT. ROTFLMAO (NT) -- Anonymous,
>09:34:36 09/06/02 Fri
>If you know all, please tell who is going to win in
>the 0-4 at faces. (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:12:21 09/06/02
>Fri
>Let me add that I know it is a 0-5 grand, but give me
>winners in each age group as well as the 0-5 grand.
>Convince me BABY! (NT) -- Anonymous, 11:20:00 09/06/02
>Fri
>You'll have to call TM they have the winners list at
>their house. If you BABY them enough maybe they'll
>share it with you BABY. (NT) -- Anonymous, 13:16:40
>09/06/02 Fri
>You have to promise to become a big client of their
>and let them rule you and your child, tell you where
>to go and tell you what to spend. THEN they will give
>you a crown in return. That is how you win FF or GD,
>SUCK BABY SUCK. (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:06:55 09/07/02
>Sat

EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!
I understand that a lot of money is spent on these pageants, but arent we all forgeting what true beauty pageants are all about? Us kids-what kind of example are yall setting? I understand that these men are irritating, but u have to face facts-this wont change. U have warned people and it is your choice for u to participate, and they can choose to if they want to. You talk about TM and Butler bashing, and look at what u are doing! I cant believe that people would result to fighting on a message board. Pageants are for enjoyment-your kids enjoyment.

>
>
>Subject: Here is some truthfulness about the guru
>directors who are so worried about their pageant. If
>they were not worried, they would not have called
>their soldiers out to post for them on any board where
>they are being exposed.
>
>
>Author:
>Anonymous
>
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>Date Posted: 16:39:30 09/06/02 Fri
>
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>
>They start out with all the sugarcoated lies then they
>move on to snare the big money from anyone who is
>willing to pay. After you pay in several thousand
>dollars, you begin to see that that money is going for
>their child and their wins. If you happen to compete
>in the same supreme group, you start noticing a
>tearing down of your child in suttle ways. This
>happens if they are scared your child might win out.
>They make fun of them in underhanded tacky ways and
>someone who has a brain begins to see the method they
>use. They try to brainwash you that THEIR child is
>better than everyone else and that you have to come in
>second place or suffer the consequences. I guess some
>people who don't have a child in their age group or
>supreme group might last longer than those who do. It
>also depends on how much money you got and how long
>they can suck you dry and you not figure it out. A
>year would be about right because that is about 4 or 5
>pageants and that is where the true colors start
>showing after seeing their displays or arrogance and
>spitefulness.
>
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>09/07/02 Sat
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>LOL (NT) -- Anonymous, 06:00:08 09/07/02 Sat

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Song help -- Anonymous, 15:42:22 10/05/02 Sat

Hello, would anyone here know the name of teh artist that sings the song, "the house is a rocking?" and if someone already has it downloaded, my email address is DmAsE2417@netscape.net if you could send it to me. but i could really like to know who sings that song. My Daughter wants to do her rountine with that song!