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Date Posted: 12:53:58 12/15/06 Fri
Author: Anonymous
Subject: Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant
In reply to: 's message, "Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant" on 06:55:45 06/20/03 Fri

>The experience for first time people can be kind of nerve wrecking. you want to find as much information about the pageant as you can but the reality of it is that the information is not there. if you dont actually go to the information session and listen for yourself you wont know. by excepting the invitation and attending the session is how you will find out if its a scam or not. me i knew it was all about money but i wanted to participate anyways. i had never participated in anything like this beforehand plus i was getting older so i thought it would be a great opportunity.. they say that there is no experienced needed and they will teach you everything you need to know to win but the fact of the matter is they really dont. for those who dont catch on that fast it definitely takes more than an hour or two to learn how to walk properly. i made it to the top ten.. when you are a top ten finalists they pay your way into nationals competition but.. you still have to find your way there and back.. pay your own hotel expenses which is very expensive because they require all contestants to stay at the rosen hotel.. and they must have a chaperone.. staying there could cost up to i think it was about 600 for the contestant and more than that for the chaperone. although i got a bid to go on i decided not to compete in the next level because when it all boils down all your doing is investing more and more money that all of ppl dont have and your not guaranteed a win. the experience is great but if you really think about it your paying for a crown thats the reality of it.. why pay all this money just so someone to tell you your beautiful u shouldnt have to pay anything to be crowned beautiful.. your beauty came without a price so why do u have to pay to be called as such.. patty wasnt there like she said she will be.. she was probably going around giving other young girls false hopes.. its all about inner beauty and that was a bunch of bullcrap.. i met so many girls who were so innocent and beautiful inside maybe not as much so on the outside who should have at least made it to the top ten at least...and furthermore you pay all this money and you get nothing..nothing but a piece of paper that says thanks for participating it should say thanks for giving us all your money.. everyone should have at least gotten a trophy didnt they deserve that i mean they didnt pay $500 how much could a trophy possibly cost.. not to mention many of the girls paid for miss photogenic which was like 125 more..all this money.. i say its a scam as with lots of other things in the world but its up to the person to really decide if this is something they would like to invest in..

Columbus, Ohio finalist (August 27, 2006)

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[> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 18:50:19 03/26/07 Mon

I do not know anything about the other cities in America, but in Phoenix, Arizona it was a total scam. The pageant went on for over 5 hours without a break. Suppossedly, the girls were be being judged. Well at one point during the junior teen teen formal wear, which is the division my daughter was in, I noticed that only TWO judges were present for over 40 of the girls. Apparently the top ten is already picked prior to the formal wear competition. How else can you explain the failure of proper judging procedures. I am going to file a complaint with the better business bureau as well as let everyone know about this pageant in Phoenix, Arizona. The Nationals Pageant I am referring to occurred on March 25th 2007 at Shadow Mountain High School. Anyone else who has had the same type of experience please email me at kowalskiphnx@hotmail.com

Sincerely,
David L Kowalski

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[> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 08:21:32 05/23/07 Wed

My daughter was in one of National's pageants last year and although she did not win, she loved every minute of it. You can tell that the young ladies are not chosen ahead of time, the panel of judges are from our own area and if the judges panel was not full, then you can blame them for obviously not finding it important enough to show up or care for their youth. The judges panel on our pageant day was full, and they were all wonderful. My daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the pageant and she did. As long as you follow the instructions given to you, the pageant experience was very rewarding and has shown my daughter that personality and whats inside is just as or more important than one's appearance. I would definately recommend this pageant to anyone looking for a wonderful learning experience for their young lady.

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[> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 09:20:12 07/07/07 Sat

>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young ladies are
chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was full,
so you can blame them for obviously finding it>important enough to show up or care.
my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water, and her daughter didn't even place.
she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many intermissions.
my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and have a good looking kid and one with personality and just has a good time being a girl you should be proud. you certainly don't need a pageant to tell y ou that.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 13:01:38 07/18/07 Wed

>>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss
>photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young
>ladies are
> chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't
>even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all
>paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was full,
> so you can blame them for obviously finding
>it>important enough to show up or care.
>my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water
>and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the
>pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls
>in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water,
>and her daughter didn't even place.
>she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot
>she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and
>lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many
>intermissions.
>my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone
>numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and
>have a good looking kid and one with personality and
>just has a good time being a girl you should be proud.
> you certainly don't need a pageant to tell y ou that.
It's wonderful to see that the people who think they know the most actually know the least. The judges are VOLUNTEERS. I have been a judge. We are not paid. We get a lunch, PERIOD. No gas money, no pay. But I have gotten something every time. I get to see the girls who know why they are doing this have a great time. It's a learning experience, people. Your kids need to learn that LIFE WILL NOT BE PERFECT. They need to learn that THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THEM. Do your kids play sports? Do they win EVERY GAME ?? Do your kids a favor a get the point. By the way, it's not a scam. I've judged 3 times; I ask to be called back. Sure it's on my own time, but that's what makes it so rewarding to me. I'm not patting myself on the back, but I guess I have a grip on why we are here on this earth. Another by the way. When our age division(meaning the one we are not judging) is not on stage we are allowed to get up and go potty, for crying out loud. We do NOT have to remain at the table for all age divisions...same way in the BIG Pageants. do yourself and your kid a favor, until you have a handle on productive parenting, better to just stay at home and whine.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Cities of America by Nationals, Inc pageant -- Anonymous, 12:00:15 09/14/07 Fri

>>>My daughter was in one of National's pageants last
>>>year and she placed 3rd runner up and Miss
>>photogenic, she loved every minute of it. The young
>>ladies are
>> chosen ahead of time, my daughter won and we didn't
>>even pay for pictures, the panel of judges are all
>>paid ahead of time and thats why judges panel was
>full,
>> so you can blame them for obviously finding
>>it>important enough to show up or care.
>>my daughter was also told to bring a bottle of water
>>and snacks ahead of time by the employees of the
>>pageant and she did. but a mother of one of the girls
>>in the pageant supplied everyone with bottled water,
>>and her daughter didn't even place.
>>she was awarded two trophies and believe it or n ot
>>she had fun. The contest was definetly mismanaged and
>>lasted well past 10:00, after a late start and to many
>>intermissions.
>>my daughter left with sore feet and lots of phone
>>numbers and myspace addresses, so if you are lucky and
>>have a good looking kid and one with personality and
>>just has a good time being a girl you should be proud.
>> you certainly don't need a pageant to tell you that.
>

It's wonderful to see that the people who think they
>know the most actually know the least. The judges are
>VOLUNTEERS. I have been a judge. We are not paid. We
>get a lunch, PERIOD. No gas money, no pay. But I have
>gotten something every time. I get to see the girls
>who know why they are doing this have a great time.
>It's a learning experience, people. Your kids need to
>learn that LIFE WILL NOT BE PERFECT. They need to
>learn that THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THEM. Do
>your kids play sports? Do they win EVERY GAME ?? Do
>your kids a favor a get the point. By the way, it's
>not a scam. I've judged 3 times; I ask to be called
>back. Sure it's on my own time, but that's what makes
>it so rewarding to me. I'm not patting myself on the
>back, but I guess I have a grip on why we are here on
>this earth. Another by the way. When our age
>division(meaning the one we are not judging) is not on
>stage we are allowed to get up and go potty, for
>crying out loud. We do NOT have to remain at the
>table for all age divisions...same way in the BIG
>Pageants. do yourself and your kid a favor, until you
>have a handle on productive parenting, better to just
>stay at home and whine.

do you need to be such a bitch

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