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Date Posted: 07:48:42 03/15/04 Mon
Author: BBFAN
Subject: PL IS A JOKE ACCORDING TO NCAA
It's time the HC administration realized that the PL is doing nothing for the school. A school with the tradition of HC should be in a better league. This league is the laughing stock of the nation. How can we recruit if the league gets a play-in game to the big dance? Now is the time to check-out the A-10 which would be a perfect fit for the Crusaders.
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Re: PL IS A JOKE ACCORDING TO NCAA -- Purple71, 12:07:29 03/15/04 Mon
No NIT bid for any Patriot League team. Congratulations to BU and Niagara for their bids. Some of you think we should not leave the PL for any thing other than a mulit-bid conference. Sorry, I guess that a league that can but a team in the NIT is worth exploring, especially when the PL champion is relagated to the PIG. The attendance at the PL final says it all... no wonder the NIT did not come calling.
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Re: PL IS A JOKE ACCORDING TO NCAA -- sader1970, 13:20:29 03/15/04 Mon
I think the PL could send a team to the NIT but so what?
Don't you think that if last year's HC team had gotten upset in the PL tournament that we would have gotten a bid to the NIT? I certainly do.
So whether anyone goes to the NIT would have more to do with the individual team's results. Win 22 games or so overall and miss the NCAA due to an upset in the PL tourney and I think any PL would be going to the NIT. But this year was a year of balance (or medicority?) in the PL.
That's how BU and URI are going to the NIT this year. They didn't win their respective tournaments but had solid years otherwise.
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Your reasoning is flawed. -- Gate Raider, 13:58:30 03/15/04 Mon
If you can't win in the PL, how can you think you belong in a stronger league. Instead of complaining about the PL, complain about HC. If you don't even win the PL, you have no one or league to blame except yourself. The fact is that with American, Colgate, Bucknell and Lehigh now giving BB scholarships the playing field has been leveled and it will be more difficult than in the past for you to succeed in BB. IMHO it will be three years before HC has a chance to again be atop the PL.
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BB Fan wrong on the NIT -- Purple71, 14:38:59 03/15/04 Mon
I beleive you're incorrect in your analysis. The PL would not be looked upon favorably by the NIT because it has no fan base. Outside of the Cross, what team in the PL has a significant following in BBall? The NIT picks good teams for obvious reasons but the rest of its tournament if filled with teams that will fill seats, which lets all PL teams, save the Cross which is spending its inheritance, out of the equation.
Siena will always get a home game in the NIT if they win 20 and do not win the MAAC. Why, because they will fill the seats in Albany. Sorry, outside of those of us you post on this board and are diehard HC fans, there is simply no interest in PL bball. Has anyone done an analysis of attendance at PL games? I think it would be pretty shocking, especially Colgate's and remember, in NCAA they count the season ticket holdrs as present whether there or not (the tourney games require actual presence to be counted). Sorry, PL and the type of fan base that brings an NIT invitation are mutually exclusive. I think this is going to only get worse when the PL goes to the on campus tourney next year. That will drive attendance and interest down even more.
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Re: PL IS A JOKE ACCORDING TO NCAA -- tonyt, 14:53:58 03/15/04 Mon
I've held off complaining about the Patriot league for a long time because I don't feel HC's administration has any intention of trying to move to a better conference. As a long-time fan and life long Worcester resident I think its ironic that HC is located in Worcester. Worcester is the biggest little city in America because as it does nothing to promote itself and constantly creates reasons why things can't be changed rather than coming up with ways to improve the city. A perfect example is the now deserted airport, how can a city the size of Worcester not have an active vibrant airport. Just look 40 miles to the south to see the revival that's taken place in Providence in the last 15 years. In many ways HC is like Worcester no vision of what things could be. Basketball could be big-time in Worcester if the team was in a decent league. I don't think the Big East will ever again be a posibility but the A-10 is certainly an attractive alternative as the league annually sends numerous teams to post season play. Over the years HC has played a number of these schools and two league members already reside in New England. It would eliminate current scheduling issues and provide good competition that would create fan interest. In the late 70's prior to the dubious decision not to join the Big East, HC tickets were hard to come by. The Centrum was built with the hope that HC would use the building regularly, but rather than taking the opportunity to grow the program HC took the holier than thou attitude and decided to play lesser competition. Interest in HC has been on the decline ever since. With RW in place the time is ripe to try to get in a league that will produce fan interest and revenue for the college.
As for the Colgate fan, HC will never be able to bring the program to its full potential in the Patriot league, as blue chip prospects want no part of the league. Even America East is a step up from the PL. By the way, HC will win the league easily next year, this was a one year aberration.
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Re: PL IS A JOKE ACCORDING TO NCAA -- cf rivals, 15:14:32 03/15/04 Mon
Great post Tony. Do the fans have it all wrong and are we supposed to accept the PL as the best league for HC, because every school in it thinks it is so far beyond the rest of the world intellectually, that it could NEVER compete against the lesser scholars. Wake up HC!!
There are alot of excellent students at all institutions across america. The PL is not an island, and not everyone who comes out of those schools is a superior student.
It's easy, Worcester has never bought the PL. It never will. Your students, don't buy it. The media doesn't buy it.
The NCAA doesn't buy it. What is there not to understand?? You don't need to have scored 1400 on an SAT to see the PL is a lousy league and HC and the community deserves better.
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Re: PL IS A JOKE ACCORDING TO NCAA -- Observer, 23:48:43 03/15/04 Mon
tonyt and cfrivals---as friends of the program but not alums
you bring a much-needed perspective to the board, particularly on the economic and vibrancy issues. I was living in Worcester at the time of the vote on the Centrum and remember that it passed by only 12 votes. Remember a naysayer named Doris Huard who led the opposition. Once it was passed and built, I've heard nothing but good things about the Centrum and the Galleria. The same mentality is at play with the admin and the PL. With the two quality hoop coaches that we have, give us 2-3 yrs. in the A-10 and IMHO you would see HC at its highest competitive level since the Potter/Vicens/Perry Jr. era and at its highest level in fan interest, including some big crowds at the Centrum. With all due respect to Gate Raider, the jump in leagues would allow HC to recruit at the high major level(A-10 has been consistently rated as one of the top 10 conferences in the last 5-6 yrs.). I like the chances for HC to be competitive in that league quickly. I don't see any real edge for half the A-10 teams(St. Bona, Duquesne, Fordham, LaSalle, Umass & Geo. Washington) over HC right now and that's with the current PL status. In addition, HC was 9th in the country in scoring defense and 24th in FG pct. defense and played competitively with Louisville, Manhattan, BC and BU with players out of action in each of those games. No other PL team could have (or did) match that non-conference performance. Unfortunately, the lack of shooting(from both the floor and the FT line)caused HC to trail in too many games and come up short. In short, I agree with tonyt---those who are chuckling over HC's downfall this yr. should enjoy it while they can. Look for next yr's club to step up as the '00-'01 team did after an 18 loss season in '99-'00 with essentially the same players--offensively-challenged in RW's first yr. and not so in his second.
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Re: PL IS A JOKE ACCORDING TO NCAA -- Observer 2, 19:13:56 03/16/04 Tue
HC also lost to 6-22 Marist, 6-21 St. John's and Div. 3 Williams. How many other PL teams matched that non-conference performance?
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