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Date Posted: 21:10:42 07/06/04 Tue
Author: Saderman
Subject: ECAC?

Any news on the ECAC's membership decision? Comments on the USCHO board suggest HC and/or QU will receive invitations.

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[> Re: ECAC? -- Purple71, 16:08:19 07/07/04 Wed

Jason Moy of USCHO has an interesting Matrix on the Web today: http://www.uscho.com/news/2004/07/07_008591.php.

He rates various aspects of the 5 applicants and finds the Cross 3rd behind Quinnipiac and Niagara. Very interesting as our Women's program (D III) and committment work against us notwithstanding that we are No. 1 in academics and media market.

It's the only thing I could find and there is no leak on what was discussed or decided yesterday.

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[> [> Re: ECAC? -- kesiwick, 16:17:06 07/07/04 Wed

Moy's column is bs (I hope). He applies equal weight to each category, which isn't the case. He doesn't calculate how much money each respective school is planning to pump into its athletic program in the short term and over the long term given its financial/endowment strength. He doesn't capture the intangible factors with regard to each school's history and relationship with the other ECAC schools. He doesn't factor in other hockey venues -- i.e. alternative game sites -- for all the schools cited. And he doesn't know what each school promised behind closed doors and on and on.

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[> [> [> Re: ECAC? -- Purple71, 16:47:34 07/07/04 Wed

I suspect that time will tell. I am not vouching for his article, just sharing it as there appears to be nothing else out there.

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[> Other problems with this analysis -- HC '85, 16:42:05 07/07/04 Wed

Other problems with this analysis:

He says things like:

"After that Mercyhurst, Quinnipiac and Holy Cross have all made the NCAA Tournament, Sacred Heart has not."

when comparing program success then ranks them 2, 3, & 4 respectively rather than scoring them tied.

Gives no credit to a potential upgrade in the women's program or the strides HC has made in mens since going Div 1 as evidence of committment to a Div 1 program or future plans.

Bottom line - It's one man's opinion who wanted Q to win!

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[> Re: ECAC? -- HC1843, 17:15:42 07/07/04 Wed

Pure garbage. A QU homer all the way.

As an aside, since when is our SAT average 1270...oh wait he is working with the "we don't even know where we come up with our SAT data" admission's dept. figures. Maybe one day the HC admin will come clean w/ the alum and let us know if the numbers we get are anywhere near accurate. My last two AAP letters said 1308 and 1300...where is the 1270 from, unless it is 3 years old, or untrue, a mistake, or we are not being told the truth re: avg SATs.

Back to hockey, Moy's article is transparent to say the least. He wants QU, plain and simple. "Future plans" as a category...pure bunk.

Cheers.

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[> [> Re: ECAC...P.S. ... -- HC1843, 17:42:56 07/07/04 Wed

What type of math is he using to get QU to a 24.5? Am I missing something...must be, b/c I am not seeing it.

Cheers.

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[> [> [> Re: ECAC...P.S. ... -- JRGNYR, 19:06:32 07/07/04 Wed

I spoke to someone today briefly with a little inside knowledge. He said he hasn't heard anything in a week, but the issues in question were, in order: arena, the women's program, and scholarships.

The arena question: Quinnipiac and Niagara both told the ECAC about new arenas, and I know QU promised to play all their ECAC games on the road until the new arena was completed. Not sure if Niagara promised the same but they also talked up a new arena to the ECAC brass. Playing ECAC games at the Centrum seems to be the direction HC would go if it gained entry to the conference...

Regarding the women's program: I haven't asked about specifics but for what it's worth, I've heard nothing to indicate the College wouldn't look to move the women's program to D-I if the ECAC was contingent on it. But I don't even know if that's the case.

Scholarships: An interesting situation, especially since my friend made it seem like it only became a sticking point in the last few weeks. I mentioned the Ivies and how they don't give official scholarships, and he mentioned those schools are not pushing HC on the scholarship issue.

He also confirmed that Yale wants no part of Qunnipiac in ECAC, but that Harvard is NOT AGAINST Holy Cross joining the conference.

Not sure if this helps anybody's understanding. To me, it still leads me to believe HC AND QU will be invited. ECAC will expand to 13 teams and remain there until Union is forced out in the not too distant future.

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[> [> [> [> Re: ECAC...P.S. ... -- kesiwick, 19:25:01 07/07/04 Wed

thx JRGNYR -- great info.

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[> [> Re: ECAC? -- hcsader2207, 20:11:24 07/07/04 Wed

1270 is from the USNews rankings.

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[> [> [> Re: ECAC? -- kesiwick, 20:35:28 07/07/04 Wed

and Princeton Review --

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[> [> [> 1270 is NOT... -- HC1843, 20:48:50 07/07/04 Wed

what the HC admissions office has told its Alumni Admissions Program that the average is for the past two years (1308 and 1300 respectively) and since the acknowledged score from 3 years ago was a 1258, something is just not right in the U.S. News and PR reported number. I don't know what is wrong but the number does not foot with what we have been told.

Cheers.

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[> [> [> [> Re: 1270 is NOT... -- matunuck, 09:51:42 07/08/04 Thu

HC1843, I know you've emailed HC on the SAT issue -- did you ever get a response as to why the alum letter number does not track with the other data ???? I emailed admissions on the incoming class and was told the 25-75 combined number was 1270-1330 which tracks with your 1300 number -- pershaps in the year 2050 HC will have a real admissions web page with lots of data on the incoming class just like the current pages of West Point, Navy, and every other PL school

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 1270 is NOT... -- HC1843, 10:03:09 07/08/04 Thu

no response was ever given, which does not surprise me. rather hard to defend the untenable.

this being said, good to see the 25th percentile number going up 50 points and the 75th percentile by ten.

Now all we need is that admissions website upgrade that we were told about 2+ years ago.

Were you given any other info. Is the rumored sub 40% acceptance rate verifiable. I am yet to receive my AAP letter, but they've probably figured it out and removed me from it. Email me at my hotmail account, which I think you know the address of.

Cheers.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: 1270 is NOT... -- matunuck, 10:37:33 07/08/04 Thu

sorry but lost your hotmail account -- what is it again??

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> HC1843@HOTMAIL.COM -- HC1843, 10:56:28 07/08/04 Thu

Cheers.

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[> [> [> Re: ECAC? -- HC '85, 21:03:16 07/07/04 Wed

From the Common Data Set Report on the Planning & Budget page from the HC Website

For the Class entering in the Fall of 2003
the 25th percentile and 75th percentile respectively were:

SAT I Verbal ..... 580 .... 680
SAT I Math ....... 630 .... 670

Combined Average has to be between the 1210 and 1350.

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[> [> [> [> Re: ECAC? -- HC '85, 21:07:26 07/07/04 Wed

Actually, just looked at my previous post and may have solved the mystery.

The common data set report is what USNews and other rating services use for their rankings.

Go halfway between 1210 and 1350 (the 50th percentile or average) and you get .....

1280!

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[> To: JR Re: Niagara -- Rick, 21:52:10 07/07/04 Wed

" The arena question: Quinnipiac and Niagara both told the ECAC about new arenas, and I know QU promised to play all their ECAC games on the road until the new arena was completed. Not sure if Niagara promised the same but they also talked up a new arena to the ECAC brass. Playing ECAC games at the Centrum seems to be the direction HC would go if it gained entry to the conference..."

Niagara isn't building a new arena....they ARE refurbishing their existing main arena ( in a 2-rink complex built only about 10 years ago ). They also have access to Buffalo's 19,000-seat HSBC Arena to trump HC's potential use of the 12,000-seat ( for hockey ) Centrum.

The above gleened from articles/NU press releases relative to the ECAC subject in the Buffalo papers.

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[> [> Re: To: JR Re: Niagara -- Centrum, 12:30:47 07/08/04 Thu

the centrum seats 16,332 for ice hockey.
Just an FYI

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[> [> [> Re: To: JR Re: Niagara -- timholycross, 15:00:36 07/09/04 Fri

I'm not "centrum", although I guess that there was something in the way that I put my 2 cents' worth in that gave you the impression that it was me replying to the post.

I actually think that in this case that smaller is better, so I'd give the edge to the Centrum.

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[> [> Re: Centrum -- Rick, 14:31:56 07/08/04 Thu

Switch the 6 with the 2 and I think ya got it for capacity.

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[> [> [> Re: Centrum -- timholycross, 11:42:04 07/09/04 Fri

Drop the "1" off of the Buffalo arena capacity and you still have a hell of a crowd for ECAC hockey.

The Centrum's big enough is what I'm trying to say; in fact, 8,000 would look a lot better there than in Buffalo.

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[> [> To: tim -- Rick, 13:38:44 07/09/04 Fri

I didn't know that 'Centrum' was you tim. Why didn't you use your normal moniker ?

Why the joke about the Centrum's capacity ????

8,000 would definately look better in the Centrum than in the HSBC Arena. Has the ECAC drawn that many fans to Albany's 15,000-seat Pepsi Arena for it's championships ?

As far as HC using the Centrum for some/the majority/all of it's potential ECAC Home games....seems to me it would take some major juggling of dates/times by HC to not conflict with the Ice Cats home game/practice schedules. Could be done but adding a 3rd team ( Ice Cats ) into the mix of 2 teams ( HC's men and women ) sharing ice for practice/games at 2 venues ( Hart & Centrum ) would be a challenge.

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[> Re: ECAC? -- HChockeyalum, 14:58:39 07/09/04 Fri

My source tells me that Quinnipiac is a classless organization...hopefully that has been revealed. Really, is there any reason why any of these schools is competing with HC other than gross incompetence or neglect on our part?

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[> [> Re: ECAC? -- kesiwick, 15:07:26 07/09/04 Fri

I actually believe we're in but there has been debate on whether to go beyond one school and, if so, which one -- but believe me, if HC gets ditched it will be one of lowest points in our rich athletic history.

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[> Re: ECAC? -- HChockeyalum, 15:12:24 07/09/04 Fri

AHL website lists the Centrum as having 12,316 seats for Ice Cats hockey. That certainly is more than enough for ECAC games.
And how, by the way, would Niagara be able to secure an arena like the HSBC Center for regular season ECAC games? I don't believe that Tom Golisano is an alum!

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