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Date Posted: 19:44:32 07/14/04 Wed
Author: hcsp04
Subject: HC Hockey Out?
This is taken from the University of Pennsylvania web site
July 14, 2004
ECAC to Take Quinnipiac?
Compiled by USCHO Staff
The ECAC appears to have all but finalized a decision regarding the league's membership.
USCHO has confirmed that Quinnipiac has been recommended for admission, and will get the spot, pending imminent approval by the ECAC's Policy Committee. However, according to sources, Holy Cross, despite some support among ECAC ADs, is out of contention because it will not commit the same kind of financial aid packages to its women's program as it does to the men's.
That contradicts an earlier report in the New Haven Register, which indicated that Holy Cross has been tenatively admitted pending a sufficient upgrade to its women's program. According to sources, Holy Cross is not willing at this time to commit the same kind of resources to its women's program as the men's.
The ECAC has been contemplating what to do, if anything, since Vermont announced earlier this year its intention to leave the league for Hockey East in the fall of 2005. The decision had been down to Holy Cross and Quinnipiac.
"Nothing beats a good rumor," Quinnipiac athletic director Jack McDonald told USCHO. "There seems to be some fact that other [schools] have been told they're out of it."
Previously, Niagara and Mercyhurst announced they were told they were out of the running. Sources also confirmed that Sacred Heart was out of the running as well. ECAC officials made on-site visits to those three schools, plus Quinnipiac and Holy Cross, last month.
The Register said all five schools were already informed of their fate last Friday. But McDonald denied that he has any information about the ECAC's decision.
The concern all along was how any changes in the ECAC would affect the other conferences. If Atlantic Hockey, of which Quinnipiac and Holy Cross are a part, loses one or two top teams, would it survive? Likewise for the CHA, which houses Niagara and needs to maintain its current six-school membership for NCAA tournament automatic bid purposes. Quinnipiac's women's team is slated to play in the CHA this coming fall.
A 12-team ECAC would maintain the status quo. A 13-team league with 24 league games would help the non-Ivy schools fill more dates, but hamper the Ivy schools, which are limited to just 29 overall games per season.
"To me, personally, college hockey is going through a significant redefinition of itself," said McDonald. "If things happen with membership, you have to look at it as good.
"There are still a lot of good things going on [for Atlantic Hockey], with schools like Robert Morris, Navy and St. Anselm's [all considering membership]. I remember how disappointed I was when the ECAC broke up 20 years ago, but college hockey is better because of it."
Quinnipiac's bid to the ECAC was reportedly strengthened by the school's commitment to build a new arena slated to open during the 2006-07 season. The college hockey rumor mill has been flooded by comments that the arena won't open on time or may not receive enough funding to be built.
That, though, is something that McDonald strongly denies.
"We're planning to start cutting some trees in September," McDonald said, noting that there is still some permitting necessary to begin construction. "We've been planning this building for five years. Our plans were well in place before [the ECAC] candidacy.
"I know people are taking shots at us that the building isn't going up tomorrow, but I can assure everyone this building will happen."
McDonald did not know what the ECAC's timeline is for making the official announcement, but should Quinnipiac ultimately be admitted, it would mark the first time that Quinnipiac and current ECAC member Yale would compete in men's hockey. The two schools are just a handful of miles away from one another in New Haven, Conn., and Hamden, Conn., respectively.
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Re: HC Hockey Out...notice the reason given... -- HC1843, 20:11:59 07/14/04 Wed
unwilling to commit similar $$$$ to women's hockey!!!!
Why did HC even bother if this was their attitude? AND if true, we obviously see a HC admin and AD that is talking out of both sides of their collective mouth.
Let's just wait and see until an official statement is made.
Cheers.
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Re: HC Women's Hockey -- Rick, 20:22:25 07/14/04 Wed
We should get some of the women's players perspective on this....
Or maybe a rep from NOW !
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Wow -- JRGNYR, 20:31:39 07/14/04 Wed
If this does turn out to be the case, then as an alum, I will be withdrawing my financial support to the college for the forseeable future. I guess they really don't need the money if they won't dedicate the same resources to the women's side as they would the men's.
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" Oh woe is us.... -- Rick, 20:49:32 07/14/04 Wed
....we have no money, our athletic budgets are tight "
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....WHAT A CROCK !
What do have, $400,000,000 in the endowment for crysakes ?
Memo: McFarland & Regan
IF YOU CAN'T OR REFUSE TO COMPETE EQUALLY IN ATHLETIC FUNDING WITH THE PATRIOT LEAGUE - OR - THE ECAC, THAN GET OUT OF THE DANG BIZ OF D-1 SPORTS AND GO WHERE YOU BELONG OR PROBABLY WANT TO BE ANYWAY....WITH WILLIAMS, BOWDOIN AND AMHURST - IF THEY'LL EVEN HAVE YOU !!!
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What would you expect from HC -- cf rivals, 21:22:43 07/14/04 Wed
I have been sitting back watching this unfold and does it really surprise you with the outcome?
This is HC we are talking about! They constantly put themselves in a box when it comes to athletics and they think everybody will want them based on their terms. HA, that's very funny.
I have voiced my disapproval for the PL since it's inception. Both it and the philosophy it represents have put HC on an island. Boy to be shunned by the Ivies! that's hard to swallow.
As fans, you have got to realize what we are supporting here. We on this board put forth more information and college facts than HC and it's web site do. That's sad!
HC wants to run it programs in 2004 with the same resources it did 30 years ago. When a school like Quinnipiac passes you out, HC has hit ROCK BOTTOM!!
Again, if I were an alum, the checks would have stopped a long time ago. HC's administration is NOT committed to D1 athletics period.
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Maybe information but not facts -- Reality, 09:55:58 07/15/04 Thu
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Re: HC Hockey Out? -- HCGrad, 21:42:35 07/14/04 Wed
They are lucky that this decision came out after the close of the Annual Fund.
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Re: HC Hockey Out? -- HCFAN, 07:19:52 07/15/04 Thu
It's time for Regan to step-down, he has been a total zero since coming on board.
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Re: HC Hockey Out? -- sader1970, 08:51:44 07/15/04 Thu
I'm not aware that any AD in HC history has had the power to build or expand facilities or to ultimately make a decision whether or not to grant athletic scholarships or upgrade a program. This isn't Ohio State where Andy Geiger can do pretty much what he pleases (within reason).
Suppose Dick wanted to do everything you wanted him to do to get this ECAC bid and the college president and/or the Board responded "no." Should he quit his job, on principle? Maybe he should. Would you?
The bottom line is, this probably wasn't Dick's doing. At some point you know there will be a press release or press conference in which HC's position will be made known. When we hear HC's side to this story, then we MIGHT start building the gallows for the right people.
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Re: HC Hockey Out? -- timholycross, 09:06:09 07/15/04 Thu
I have to agree, somewhat, with the last poster.
Otherwise, Mr. Perry should have quit 10 times over
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Re: Perry vs. Regan -- Rick, 11:51:04 07/15/04 Thu
Whoa tim, personally I'd cut Ron Perry, Sr. a little more slack than that.
AIR ( and admittedly this is basic recall ), he and Blaney were not initially 100%, fist-pounding the table sure that Gavitt's plan for a new East Indy conference was a lock for success. As the then succeeding days passed I think they became increasingly enthralled with the concept but again AIR, Gavitt's time table to act/make a decision and move on this didn't jive with their ( including Brooks ) desire to chew on it a bit longer. Later, he and Blaney became believers but it was then Brooks who continued to stall until ultimately rejecting the invite over Perry's and Blaney's wishes.
Regards the now INFAMOUS Colonial/Patriot shocker, remember that it was a pure UNILATERAL decision by Brooks and that Perry WAS NOT involved. In the months that followed, Perry made it very clear what his role was ( or lack of one ! ) in this radical de-emphasis of the football program. His quotes in the T&G, Boston Globe and Boston Herald, while diplomatically worded, were in essence borderline insubordinant and I suspect anyone of lesser stature than he would have been requested to resign.
I've gradually become disenchanted with Dick Regan. His resume' was/is superb and I thought he'd be a proactive AD with a definite eye toward a graceful exit/U-turn away from the Patriot League. I was wrong.
While I agree with sader1970 that Regan doesn't call the shots/have the final say on major things like this budding ECAC fiasco, he is nonetheless the 'point man' for HC athletics and thus subject to accountability and the current ridicule. To date, I've yet to hear him speak other than in terms of the 'party line' that passes thru his lips from the ULTIMATE decision maker(s)....McFarland and the Trustees.
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HC Hockey Out? -- purplehaze, 09:39:17 07/15/04 Thu
rick and cf rivals are right on!
we all have to admit that at this time, only a (very) few of our teams can compete for patriot league titles. we are only giving our players and coaches a 'chance to compete', not a 'chance to succeed'! this reality is a travesty, especially in view of the distance our kids travel to get beaten.
secondly our facilities are second-rate, and therefore, along with our strict academic requirements, we have the built-in excuse for our failures, which is used all the time by our coaches, (and i guess they're not wrong)
in the olympic sports area, we could not compete in the 'nescac' (we all know that!). it would be worse than the pl.
right now the closest league in terms of compatibility with our athletes and facilities is the maac, and i have no interest with that affiliation, but that's the truth the way i see it.
conclusion: get with the 'patriot/ivy' program ! take a few campus visits and see what we need and stop making economic excuses about how we can't afford it. if we choose to maintain the highest academic standards, that's ok with me but ** get the facilities and get the athletes ** we can do it!
as far a the hockey is concerned, i think the ecac was not impressed with our plans for the women's program, and obviously they do not want to encourage our use of the centrum. this is a 'campus venue' league and they wanted a plan for the hart rink to be brought up to standards of the league. (seems to me) we did not give that to them.
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HC Fund may NEVER reach 50% again... -- HC1843, 10:09:16 07/15/04 Thu
The big thing for me is that I feel as if I, all of you, Coach Pearl, and the athletes have been misled. How can we be told that the school is willing to commit the resources to upgrade the hockey program, but then find out the ECAC is going to give us the shaft b/c we won't properly fund: A) the women's team, (the Cross will never live this one down), B) adequate facilities (never surprising but fixable for a school with a $400+ million endowment, or C) both A and B.
How de we financially support a school that apparently makes such, penny-wise pound-foolish decisions, as another poster put it. Answer: We stop giving until they learn. Young alumni support has hit its highpoint and is now declingin, and this is only going to hurt HC more.
Like I said a while back, "throw in the friggin kitchen sink" if you have to. They didn't and now HC takes a huge hit, which now has negative gender undertones. Nothing like taking the high road and the low road at the same time.
Cheers.
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Remember this ? -- Rick, 10:35:53 07/15/04 Thu
" Women's ice hockey is going to be another challenge over the next few years. We've essentially been playing a Division III schedule for the first three years of the program's existence and we've done pretty well. Having said that, the typical divisional distinctions don't mean quite as much in ice hockey as they do in other sports. Within the next two or three years we will need to slowly migrate to a Division I schedule and that will be a challenge. "....Dick Regan - 2002
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And this ? -- Rick, 11:02:41 07/15/04 Thu
When this ECAC Hockey thing drifts off and football season starts, just keep what follows in mind periodically....particularly when we play Colgate and Lehigh !
" The other challenge I should mention concerns football. Lehigh and Colgate are spending dramatically more on financial aid than we are in this sport. Right now, we are spending as much as the College's budget can handle. We are going to need to find some way of bridging the gap if those schools keep up with their current level of spending. "....Dick Regan - 2002
Doesn't quite jive with the following beauty, does it....
" I am genuinely enthused about the proposed new league and its affiliation with the Ivy League. Its formation would certainly afford Holy Cross a wonderful opportunity to maintain an attractive and competitive football schedule in the years ahead. I am especially encouraged by the fact that the presidents of the affiliate institutions are taking a strong interest in the league, and are prepared to commit their time and energies to the development and maintenance of common policies that would be both academically and athletically sound. "....Rev. John E. Brooks, S.J. September - 1983
WAH HAPPENED to the 'affiliation' with the Ivy League, the 'attractive and competitive football schedule' ( see Duquesne, Marist, St. Mary's, Fairfield !!! )....and best of all, in light of Dick Regan's on-the-record statement above, the 'development and maintenance of common policies' among Patriot members ????
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Financial Solution! -- pitt65, 12:06:42 07/15/04 Thu
How much do you think the school could get on e-bay for a second hand Taylor & Boody organ?
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Financial Solution..moratorium on mulch purchases -- HC1843, 12:14:21 07/15/04 Thu
Cheers.
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