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Date Posted: 10:56:51 06/05/04 Sat
Author: NTKHC64
Subject: NJ Club Reception June 15 RSVP Now Please
It is essential that those attending this event let it be know ASAP as the final count has to be in the hands of the facility by next Friday. Whatever the reason(s), replies have been coming in at a far slower pace than in previous years and your cooperation would be appreciated. Thanks and here's the info once again:
HC Club of Northern New Jersey Dinner & Speakers
Other - Other - College of the Holy Cross Only
Date & Time: Tuesday, June 15, 2004
6:00 PM-9:00 PM
Location: Manasquan River Golf Club
Riverview Drive
Brielle, NJ 08730
Cost: $35 per person $30 per person Classes of '94-'04
Description: Please join fellow alumni and guests for our special speakers for the evening: Dick Regan '76, Director of HC Athletics; Tom Gilmore, Head Football Coach; and Deb Flaherty, Women's Soccer Coach.
You can return the tear off sheet at the bottom of the flyer,or call or email to the addresses given but please do so in the next few days.
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Re: NJ Club Reception June 15 RSVP Now Please -- Breezy, 11:34:21 06/05/04 Sat
NTK --
As I told you previously, I have a family commitment that will take me out of state on June 15. I very much regret that I will not be able to attend. I would have very much enjoyed the opportunity to speak with Dick Regan, Tom Gilmore and Deb Flaherty. This is a very worthwhile event and I hope those who are able to attend will do so.
Thanks for your efforts in putting this together.
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Re: NJ Club Reception June 15 RSVP Now Please -- Rick, 16:57:05 06/05/04 Sat
'64 -
I know you must be disappointed with the response so far....
Is this annually held at the Jersey shore or in northern NJ ? What's the usual attendance ?
Given the calibre of the speakers, is the light response thus far perhaps indicative of alumni apathy toward HC athletics....specifically football ?
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Re: Reply to Rick -- NTKHC64, 19:58:34 06/05/04 Sat
Disappointed...not for myself of course but overall yes. We've held this at the Jersey Shore annually and we have many alumni in the Monmouth-Ocean area. The venue is located centrally, accessible by all the major north-south and east west highways. George Kaftan of the national championship men's team lives but a mile or so from the venue and has attended the prior events.Luke Sinkhorn who recently played football for HC has indicated he will attend as has Bill Marciano who played in the 60s.
We started this two years ago with Coach Willard as the speaker and drew about 75. Last year, again with Coach Willard as the speaker and Brian Wilson and Mark Jerz as special honorees as players from New Jersey we had about 50 in atttendance.
As for your last question, I would've thought that exactly the opposite would be true. We feel that Coach Gilmore should be a big draw and that Coach Flaherty who has a very impressive record as both a Big Ten soccer player at Michigan and as a coach would present the viewpoint of non-revenue sports in general and women's soccer in particular,another area that has received much discussion on this board.
An indicator of alumni apathy toward athletics? I would hope not. Athletics is and continues to be an important part of Holy Cross life though likely not as important as in my era. We've had a broad spectrum of alumni age-wise attend in prior years and I doubt everyone would suddenly lose interest in athletics in proportion to the response thus far. If you read the Q & A article done by Eric Tosi in the Spring 2004 Holy Cross Magazine I believe that doing so would serve as an incentive to come. He isn't appearing elsewhere in NJ prior to the start of the season as far as I know. I know he is appearing in RI next week.
All we do is secure the speakers through the cooperation of our athletic department and collect the money as they say. The event is certainly not held for the latter but is held to give alumni from the area a chance to meet and update themselves on aspects of athletics at the College.
It is a very worthwhile event and we hope that the turnout is in proportion to the program.
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Re: Reply to '64 -- Rick, 17:24:36 06/07/04 Mon
AIR, there is/was a 'Northern NJ Club' ( with traditionally the 3rd/4th largest alum base ). Is there a 'Southern NJ Club' under which this event is sponsored ?
A fellow grad just informed me that a 'President's Reception' took place about a month ago....I believe he said at Baltusrol GC....true ? Could this be possibly hurting attendance at this event ?
Yunno, I just received the HC mag that has a nice spread on Gilmore. It occurs to me that unless a grad is clued into this site, HC's site ( yawn ) or has a long-distance subscription to the Telegram/Gazette, it's conceivable that dozens of Jersey alums are just now getting alerted to the coaching change and who this fellow Gilmore is. Remember, this change - including Dan Allen's passing - hasn't exactly been front page sports news over an extended period. I doubt the Newark Star-Ledger even carried news on either event....but I could be wrong on that.
So maybe the arrival of the HC mag will spur interest last minute....hope so. Gosh, I would normally think that 60 + grads would have an interest in hearing and chatting with HC's Director of Athletics and the Head Coach of football. I recall attending a similar event in Westchester, NY with Rick Carter as the sole featured guest/speaker and like 150-160 grads of all ages attended on a weeknight.
Will look forward to a recap from you....
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Re: Rick -- NTKHC64, 18:30:01 06/07/04 Mon
The formal name of the club it is the HC Club of Northern NJ and is the sponsor of this event. The venue is not in southern NJ although folks from Bergen County might say it is. I can drive 100 miles south from this event's venue and still be in NJ.
There is also a Philadelphia/South Jersey Club but most of their events are in PA. Some are held in cooperation with the NNJ Club. As far as I know, all NJ alums recieved written and email notice of this event.
The Preidential Reception is held at Baltusrol. It is a report by the President of the current status of events at the College. We center our event on athletics so it is a different emphasis.
I've picked up about at least seven acceptances today, so keep them coming.
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Re: Rick(2) -- NTKHC64, 21:35:36 06/07/04 Mon
I've been talking to several parents of football team members from NJ this afternoon. Most are in Worcester with jobs and/or working out on their own in preparation for the season. One set of parents is planning on attending as they live but a few miles from me and the event venue.
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Good luck NJ Club/NTK -- sader1970, 21:20:10 06/05/04 Sat
As I've previously posted, the RI Club is sponsoring a reception for Coach Gilmore (June 10) 5 days before you Garden Staters. We've got an attendee list in the low 30's so far which is not a disgrace but considering the proximity to the Cross, a new coach speaking and the hot/cold hors d'oeuvres are free, it's not a turnout that I'd want to brag about. Now, I've got reason to believe from hearing from others that some folks might just show up as the art of RSVP'ing seems to have been lost, especially among younger folks. But the gate crashers will probably only offset the folks who did sign up but just won't show.
My impression has been that the rabid HC athletics fans were those who graduated in the 30's-60's. Once the college went co-ed, there were a lot of other attractions besides sports on campus. Sure, there was a resurgence of interest during the Carter/Duffner years in football because it's always fun (and easy) to root for a winning/dominant team. The older alums seem to have a greater sense of the value of what HC meant to them and would support the teams win, lose or draw. I don't see this in the younger alums. They'll support a winner but mediocre won't cut it. The older alums are dying out and/or getting to the point where it becomes physically difficult or impossible to get to sports events. What struck me the last 5 years that I've been going to Homecomings is how few people actually go inside Fitton, even for one minute. The freshman field parking lot is full but most of the young alums are there the entire time kegging and socializing - not that there's anything wrong with that! The students have been turning out at the Hart for the basketball teams the last few years but didn't turn out this immediate past season when both teams started losing. Support goes to winners, not "losers" nowadays.
So, my theory is that if Coach Gilmore can get a team to win 10 games a year, THEN he'll get support. Win fewer than 5 games a year and Fitton will continue to look like a ghost town.
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Re: Good luck NJ Club/NTK -- cf rivals, 08:28:42 06/06/04 Sun
Again, I am not an alum but I have supported the HC BB program for almost 30 yrs.
As an outsider and living in the Worcester area, I get to see alot of what is and isn't going on at HC. The net result is mediocre.
I know most of you on this board are true purple die hard alums that would probably support HC if they went D3 in FB and continued in the PL for BB, but the true facts are you are very few in #'s. I know alot of HC alums in the 25-40 age group who live in this area who I begged to come to some BB games with me over the years and they refuse. They say the PL is second rate and they don't wish to support it. I've been a season ticket holder for BB for 10 yrs, and the student support is very weak. The only exception was the last 4 home games of 2003.
HC needs to make a seriously commitment in their programs.
They need some kind of major announcement to shake up some interest. Hockey to ECAC? That will gain some, FB to win some games? Who knows, w/o scholarships and 10+ yrs of losing, most fans have checked out, myself included. BB to a true mid-major?? This would be the ticket!! A move to a conference like the A10 would show fans that HC is serious about BB an isn't going to try to keep pushing that they almost beat Kentucky 4 yrs ago! People don't want to hear how you almost made it, they want to see what are you doing to build and improve on it. HC has not done that.
When an administration shows and says it's happy where it is and that place is no where near where most alums or fans want, you have the situation that you are facing at HC.
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who says your view is what most alums want? -- hchoops, 12:14:10 06/06/04 Sun
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Question for cf -- sader1970, 08:57:41 06/06/04 Sun
So, why do YOU continue to support HC athletics?
I don't disagree with anything you've writtem. My "excuse" for supporting HC is the long family history of alums that have been on the hill when there were good years and bad years athletically. And the fact that I spent 4 wonderful years getting an education that I think has helped formed me into the person I am today, including my value system.
My guess, cf, is that even though you didn't go there, you've got some good friends and/or relatives who did and you are "purple by association."
But, if that's NOT the case, why would you support and attend games that play in a "mediocre" conference and, not even having good results at that level?
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Re: Question for cf -- cf rivals, 09:32:00 06/06/04 Sun
I sometimes ask myself that ??.
My dad is an old timer and filled my head with Johnnie Turco, Mel Masuco and Bill Ozmanski. He hooked me on FB when I was 8 yrs old and took me to my 1st FB game at HC. I guess too me as a kid, HC FB was an awesome experience. I stayed following FB thru the late 80's but after 91' I havn't followed the FB team.
BB is the same story, My dad filled my head with the teams of 47-52. How he meet the team at Union Station after the 47' championship. His trips to the Boston Garden to see HC play. Even though he never went to HC either, It was one of the best programs in NE during his time. So I got hooked.
Why am I still hooked? I still enjoy going to BB games and I now take my son. I look at HC as the only D1 team in central MA. I grew up not liking BC (you can't like both)and that remains to this day. Umass, to me was a flash in the pan. I hope to see HC return to the respectability and popularity in BB that it once had. I know we will never see an NCAA champ again, but why not a team that can compete night in and night out with some of the top 50 programs in the country?
I have always felt the HC has the best facilities at their grasp and they have a metropolis of almost 300K that would and could fill a Centrum to see top notch competition. It makes me feel bad when Umass can come into the centrum and draw 13k and HC play on or near that date and draw 800!
I guess the comment we Worcester non-alums have pasted on our walls is "We are not in the entertainment business" Worcester still views that 25 year old comment as ringing true. That is still a hard pill to swallow.
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