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Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2025, 03:22: am In reply to: Shelly 's message, "Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual" on Tuesday, December 09, 2025, 08:10: pm Shelly, First, what brought about the change with the protocol? Second, curious, when you sit and small talk with sitter about her bowel habits, take a moment and I am sure you have mentioned this probably a lot, but explain what she says or believes why she doesn’t go? For me, for example, I hated the pain associated with a bowel movement. Really turned out due to my poor eating habits, I was somewhat constipated, and on top of that, I would hold, making myself even more constipated. I think you mentioned sitter just thinks going is ugh! Nasty. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2025, 05:23: am AV, well I'm always doing research trying to figure out the best way to help her stop actively holding until she smears herself. Although not a stimulant, Metamucil is still a laxative. For a holder I've come to learn that laxatives just give the holder more practice in trying to defeat it. The number one thing that needs to be done for bedwetters or holders is to get a bowel movement every day, same time, no exceptions. Filling her up with Metamucil so that she gets the contractions a couple of times a day trying to make her empty is just giving her more practice. I've cut way back on her Metamucil to just enough to insure stool in the rectum every 24 hours. I'm not a trained Psychologist so treating her brain, her emotions, her thoughts about pooping is way beyond my capabilities. I can get a bowel movement from her once every day, same time. Dr. Hodges and Dr. Collins both say that is key. The child knows they will poop every day or evening same time every day. They will adjust and assimilate in their brain how ever they need to in order to deal with it emotionally. But in the process you over time will stop the bedwetting or soiling of the underwear. That should be your number one goal. If her mother can get her in counseling to deal with the brain part of this affliction that would be great. I know how to get poop out. I know how to do maintenance clean outs so she doesn't get impacted and taken to the hospital for their clean outs. She likes talking about poop even less than she does to sit and let it happen. I think that is why she wrote me that note. It was a cry for help without having to look me in the face and talk about pooping. My understanding from what she will tell me is that she is actually afraid of her poop. Just doesn't want it to happen because it is something she feels is dirty and disgusting. I don't know. I have no clue what is bouncing around in her head. The first year when I was 12 and step mom would put me on the toilet chair with my enema in me I freaked out. I felt disgusting emptying into that toilet chair and her seeing the poop I had put in it from my enema. And for all the years following that was the worst part of my enemas. Her seeing the poop that I had in me. I too thought that my poop was dirty and disgusting and didn't want her looking at it and so I didn't like looking at it either. To this day I prefer to flush before getting up so I don't have to look at it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2025, 06:01: am What do you think? You were a holder. What do you think is bouncing around in her head. Your insight in to this has been so valuable to me. You know that. If you knew your mom was going to put you on the toilet every day, same time and you had to poop or you would get the bulb one time to make you go wouldn't that have taken away your chances to practice withholding your poop? Wouldn't it soon have just become a routine that you knew was going to happen same time every day and so you could use your brain to explore your world about other things that are important to kids? You take that control or attempt at control of their bowels away from the child and they can worry about other things. I see it in my boys. They know they have to poop every day or suppository. We do about one suppository per each boy about every six or seven days. And that is just because they are too busy doing other things to go sit and try to poop. Their choice. I don't force sits on them. If they are okay with getting a suppository because they won't go sit and poop then that is on them. But for our young lady going forward sits are now the rule. And I no longer take her word for it. Disgusting or not I have to see the poop. She will adjust. If I get to clean her friend out after talking to mom I can see that being a great help for our girl. Kitten Paw talks about how natural it is for her and her BFF to get semi naked or naked and exploring. And they are very comfortable being naked with each other and watching each other use the vibrator or the other get an enema from her mom. If I get to clean out this friend of our gal's I think I'll get a toilet chair and have them both in the bathroom on the 'potty' at the same time with their enemas in them. I'm not inclined to take three hours to clean one of them out and then another three hours to clean the other one out. If this friend wants to show empathy like Kitten Paw says she does then she can sit there with her enema in her too. If she gets constipated and wants me to clean her out I will. If she is working me like Kitten Paw says she is then I have a little surprise for her. She can get her enema right along with her friend. I can have the nozzle sterilized and bag refilled in about three minutes, maybe four tops. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2025, 07:34: pm Shelly, Here is my first thought. Since sitter wrote you, why not set up a journal where she journals her thoughts and communicates with you. You in turn, answer her, and that is the way you two communicate. When I decided to take control of my own bowels, I did exactly what you are saying. I did sits. I would sit on the toilet when I had urges and tried breathing exercises to relax myself to be able to allow the bowel movement to naturally come. I would take deep breaths at times and push to help. I would extend my legs out like I did when I was younger. I keep doing this each time I had an urge. It helped a lot. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]