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Subject: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 2025, 08:10: pm Well we are doing Dr. Collin's protocol to get a bowel movement from our 16 year old holder when she gets here from school. She has to go sit for three minutes and try to poop for me. If no then she gets 15 minutes to do what she wants and then she sits for three more minutes and if no poop then she gets a suppository. I got the first sass from her I have gotten. "I don't need potty training." "This isn't fair." I'm not 5 years old." I wanted to remind her that 16 year olds don't hold in their poop and smear their underwear but I bit my lip and just said "well time is up. You did your two sits. Suppository for you!" That was Monday. Tonight she pooped on her first sit. She can do it if her brain will let her. Such a struggle for her! It must be awful to be like that about a simple body function. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2025, 03:22: am Shelly, First, what brought about the change with the protocol? Second, curious, when you sit and small talk with sitter about her bowel habits, take a moment and I am sure you have mentioned this probably a lot, but explain what she says or believes why she doesn’t go? For me, for example, I hated the pain associated with a bowel movement. Really turned out due to my poor eating habits, I was somewhat constipated, and on top of that, I would hold, making myself even more constipated. I think you mentioned sitter just thinks going is ugh! Nasty. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2025, 05:23: am AV, well I'm always doing research trying to figure out the best way to help her stop actively holding until she smears herself. Although not a stimulant, Metamucil is still a laxative. For a holder I've come to learn that laxatives just give the holder more practice in trying to defeat it. The number one thing that needs to be done for bedwetters or holders is to get a bowel movement every day, same time, no exceptions. Filling her up with Metamucil so that she gets the contractions a couple of times a day trying to make her empty is just giving her more practice. I've cut way back on her Metamucil to just enough to insure stool in the rectum every 24 hours. I'm not a trained Psychologist so treating her brain, her emotions, her thoughts about pooping is way beyond my capabilities. I can get a bowel movement from her once every day, same time. Dr. Hodges and Dr. Collins both say that is key. The child knows they will poop every day or evening same time every day. They will adjust and assimilate in their brain how ever they need to in order to deal with it emotionally. But in the process you over time will stop the bedwetting or soiling of the underwear. That should be your number one goal. If her mother can get her in counseling to deal with the brain part of this affliction that would be great. I know how to get poop out. I know how to do maintenance clean outs so she doesn't get impacted and taken to the hospital for their clean outs. She likes talking about poop even less than she does to sit and let it happen. I think that is why she wrote me that note. It was a cry for help without having to look me in the face and talk about pooping. My understanding from what she will tell me is that she is actually afraid of her poop. Just doesn't want it to happen because it is something she feels is dirty and disgusting. I don't know. I have no clue what is bouncing around in her head. The first year when I was 12 and step mom would put me on the toilet chair with my enema in me I freaked out. I felt disgusting emptying into that toilet chair and her seeing the poop I had put in it from my enema. And for all the years following that was the worst part of my enemas. Her seeing the poop that I had in me. I too thought that my poop was dirty and disgusting and didn't want her looking at it and so I didn't like looking at it either. To this day I prefer to flush before getting up so I don't have to look at it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2025, 06:01: am What do you think? You were a holder. What do you think is bouncing around in her head. Your insight in to this has been so valuable to me. You know that. If you knew your mom was going to put you on the toilet every day, same time and you had to poop or you would get the bulb one time to make you go wouldn't that have taken away your chances to practice withholding your poop? Wouldn't it soon have just become a routine that you knew was going to happen same time every day and so you could use your brain to explore your world about other things that are important to kids? You take that control or attempt at control of their bowels away from the child and they can worry about other things. I see it in my boys. They know they have to poop every day or suppository. We do about one suppository per each boy about every six or seven days. And that is just because they are too busy doing other things to go sit and try to poop. Their choice. I don't force sits on them. If they are okay with getting a suppository because they won't go sit and poop then that is on them. But for our young lady going forward sits are now the rule. And I no longer take her word for it. Disgusting or not I have to see the poop. She will adjust. If I get to clean her friend out after talking to mom I can see that being a great help for our girl. Kitten Paw talks about how natural it is for her and her BFF to get semi naked or naked and exploring. And they are very comfortable being naked with each other and watching each other use the vibrator or the other get an enema from her mom. If I get to clean out this friend of our gal's I think I'll get a toilet chair and have them both in the bathroom on the 'potty' at the same time with their enemas in them. I'm not inclined to take three hours to clean one of them out and then another three hours to clean the other one out. If this friend wants to show empathy like Kitten Paw says she does then she can sit there with her enema in her too. If she gets constipated and wants me to clean her out I will. If she is working me like Kitten Paw says she is then I have a little surprise for her. She can get her enema right along with her friend. I can have the nozzle sterilized and bag refilled in about three minutes, maybe four tops. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2025, 07:34: pm Shelly, Here is my first thought. Since sitter wrote you, why not set up a journal where she journals her thoughts and communicates with you. You in turn, answer her, and that is the way you two communicate. When I decided to take control of my own bowels, I did exactly what you are saying. I did sits. I would sit on the toilet when I had urges and tried breathing exercises to relax myself to be able to allow the bowel movement to naturally come. I would take deep breaths at times and push to help. I would extend my legs out like I did when I was younger. I keep doing this each time I had an urge. It helped a lot. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, December 12, 2025, 11:05: am Well we have another schedule change. Her mom and I agreed that sitter would stay in town every other weekend because I originally planned on cleaning her out every other week and with it taking three hours I didn't want to have to clean her out on a school night. And also since her friend usually came in and hung out with her for a couple of hours when she brought her here I wasn't keen on friend being here for sitter's enemas because I was sure she wouldn't want her here. But now that she needs cleaned out every week I'm going to send her home every weekend and clean her out on Thursdays as soon as she gets here from school. Since her friend is in theatre every day after school I didn't have that concern any more. I didn't tell her yesterday morning because I didn't want to make her think about it all day since she wasn't told yet she will get the enemas every week. So she is pretty pissed off at me. She had a boy drop her off from school yesterday and she took him down to her room. I let him stay for about a half hour but then I needed to get her enemas started so I went down and told her he would have to leave because her and I had some things to do. She said 'what do we need to do?" I said 'I don't think you want him to hear'. So he left and she was pissed off at me and then she got cleaned out. This morning I got the silent treatment and she balked at drinking her Metamucil orange juice and I had to tell her to drop the attitude. I still want to do the boys enemas on Saturdays so I don't know how that is going to work. They willingly go in for their enemas from her and are not going to be happy with me again if they have to have them from me. They say I give mean enemas. I don't know what a mean enema is but I just don't take any delaying or lip service, I get them in there bent over and get it done. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, December 12, 2025, 06:15: pm Shelly, Your house seems to be the drama house. ha. Hope everything works itself out and settles down. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2025, 09:48: am Well she is a puzzle. She sassed me Thursday after school when I made her mad because her guy friend needed to leave. I needed to give her her enemas so she could go home after school Friday for the weekend and then her parents will bring her back here Sunday late afternoon or evening and I will need a bowel movement from her on Sunday eve. Friday morning I had to get stern with her just to get her to drink her Metamucil. I'm starting to see the defiance her mom always tells me about. So anyway, yesterday morning bright and early she shows up with her friend that had asked me about an enema clean out for herself because her mom gives her suppositories sometimes. And they have come to give our little guys their enemas. And everybody is all happy and excited to do the enemas. I had them give both the boys their enemas at the same time, one in the house bathroom and the other in my master bathroom. That worked out well and it didn't take all day. I gave them 30 dollars to go get them something to eat and they were both so talkative and happy and giddy like they had just been to a really nice party and had so much fun. And yet when it is time for her to stool for me or get her enemas she is a totally different personality. Does her brain actually go into a different age similar to like the movie Sybil? I don't know. I think she does disassociate to some degree when I have her on the toilet for me. It's not the suppository or the enema so much that I see a different personality but once she is on the toilet and feels she can't defeat it and is going to have to let it out that she seems she just has turns into some one else. I know that was always the worse part for me after the initial shock of my first few enemas. I'm in my bedroom on the toilet chair and I'm going to be there for a while and my little sister will let someone sweet talk her into letting them in our shared bedroom so they can see that I have had my enema and I'm now sitting trying to get it back out. I know at those moments I wanted so bad to be somewhere else and not there trying to poop it all back out. But I never learned how to actually disassociate or take on another person and not be myself at that moment. I just sat there unable to leave and being visited by other kids in the family or step mom to see if I'm done yet. I to this day feel different when I'm on the toilet to poop or get my enemas back out than I do to pee. Sitting to pee is just so non issue, so normal feeling but sitting to poop is slightly anxiety filled for me. Kitten Paw you are right of course. The friend asked about my text with her mom and again said that her mom won't give her an enema because she doesn't know how to give them but that she gets really uncomfortable sometimes and even the suppository doesn't work to make her feel better. I told her when her mom and I get together we maybe will talk about how I can teach her mom how to clean her out when she gets really plugged up. She said she would like that because she asked her mom to let her go get colonics and her mom said no. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2025, 01:36: pm Shelly, Here are my flooded thoughts as I was reading your post. First, when its someone else's enema and time on the toilet, sitter is ok, but when it’s her, she has to face her fear, her nastiness, her ugh moment. I don’t know if I would take anything personal, but I might address feelings to sitter. She really needs to understand that you understand her. I am glad she is showing up for the boys, that means a lot. Second, oh my, this statement, “but once she is on the toilet and feels she can't defeat it and is going to have to let it out” hit home to me. You know I was a fighter and holder up to the bitter end of releasing it. I just lost the enema battle having to go over mom’s lap and receive an enema and now I am sitting on the toilet. Still believing I can fight the urges. For me, it was the pain associated with going. I produced 3 feet baseball bats that yes would clog the toilet at times. And now I have soapy water inside of me. At that young age, I didn’t understand the science behind my bowels and soapy water. I thought I could release a little water release a little more water and I could defeat this enema without having a movement, but of course that’s not what happened when I realized I was not gonna win this battle and I was defeated. I lifted my legs, took a deep breath and relaxed. I felt like I was possessed. The enema took over. I was a vessel, a container, to be filled and emptied. Finally, I was thinking about our ole friend Krissy, how she managed to give all those enemas, she had a child in separate bathrooms and giving two to three enemas and rinses. Personally, I wouldn’t teach mom at first, I would ask if you could give her daughter and enema to get her started on her journey and at least be cleaned out properly so her daughter would know how to do it and how it feels than teach the mom if the daughter wants to continue or become an enema family like Krissy and have all the bathrooms filled with those two girls and clean them out together. Crazy thought I know. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2025, 03:12: pm Well friend is so comfortable talking about her constipation and wanting mom to let her do colonics. I hope some of that rubs off on sitter. I asked why she doesn't do her own suppositories or do a fleet enema. She said she did a Fleet enema once and it burned and stung and she will never ever do another one. She can't give herself the suppositories because her fingers aren't very long and she can only barely get the suppository inside her bottom and only sometimes if mom gets the suppository as far up in her as she can will it sometimes get enough out to give her relief from her stomach ache. She was talking to me about all of this while sitter was giving my oldest his last rinse. She didn't want sitter to have to listen to what we were talking about. I wanted so bad to get her over my leg right there and then but I need to wait to talk to mom. She asked mom to buy her a Colema board because then you can do a sort of colonic yourself. Her mom said no to that too. Her mom is mad that she won't take laxatives but she said when she was 10 her Dr. put her on Miralax for her constipation and the fourth day on Miralax she had the runny poops at school, couldn't feel it coming out until it was too late and running down her leg. She said she was just sure she was going to die from the horror of doing that in her pants in class and it was running down her leg for all to see. So laxatives of any kind are a no, she said even Metamucil is a no, absolutely no laxatives. So anyway, I just ordered the cheapest toilet commode/chair from Amazon. It will arrive between Dec. 22 and Jan. 7. Going forward if I get to give her clean outs they will both be in there together. Also it will make it easier for the boys too so one isn't in one part of the house on a toilet and the other is in another part of the house with going back and forth to give them their enemas. They will be right there together too. I am so anxious now to get mom's approval to clean her girl out. Yes I'm going to make like giving enemas needs to be done by someone who has experience to make sure it gets the job done and cleans them out. I think when I tell her it takes about three hours to do my cleanses that she will say 'go ahead you do it'. Costs me nothing so I won't charge her. She will like that I'm sure. She won't let daughter go for colonics because she told her she wasn't paying for colonics when a stimulant laxative pill or two will do the same thing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Kitten Paw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2025, 03:45: pm I am always right because I know those two girls because I am just like them. I tell my BFF about every spanking and enema I get. I've even spanked her. Not once, not twice. I've spanked her a few times. And I make her butt red like dad makes mine red. She loves it and she hates it. She wanted that enema form mom so bad but when she got it she freaked out and hyperventilated and cried but she wanted it and she got it. She wants to give me an enema but I said she has to go first and she isn't quite ready yet. Your teenager's friend probably told her about her constipation and suppositories from mom and that's when she found out your teenager gets enemas from you because she is afraid of her bowel movements like it is a phobia. We girls share so much that you maybe wouldn't believe. We share things on social media that we would die before telling some one face to face because we feel safe not having to look at them when we tell them. Friend would rather have her enemas from you then her mom. I would rather mom would always have nurse give me an enema instead of her but oh well. You probably think they are going to hate being on the toilet and one on a toilet chair getting their enemas out together because you hated the toilet chair. Actually the part they will hate is not being in there together pushing enemas out but having you come in and checking on them or on what they have expelled. They are going to be comfortable with each other they just aren't comfortable being on the toilet for you. But you said you already know that. So get their enemas in them and sitting and then leave them alone until they call you. They might not full on masturbate sitting there but they will have their hands between there legs. I do because it comforts me while I'm getting my enema out. If they don't already masturbate together I can tell you they talk about it just like I'm sure you know they talk to each other about guys' tools. They are having fun seeing if your little guys can get an erection getting ready to get an enema. Over half of the little boys of all ages would get an erection when we started taking pants down and they knew they were getting something put in their butt. I miss helping mom give kids their first ever enema. Especially the boys. They are the real drama queens. Girls have got nothing on them. The only thing is sometimes the little girls will pee when we are stripping them and getting them ready for an enema. The boys don't empty their bladder but they empty their emotions and it goes all over everything and every body. Cry cry cry! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2025, 09:44: pm Wow Kitten Paw! You take my breath away. I would never have believed almost anything you tell us about you and your best female friend's escapades if sitter and her now new friend didn't come right out and both tell me that their moms make them have Fleet enemas and suppositories totally out of the blue when we were focusing on our little guys' enemas. I would never in a million years believe that you would tell a female friend that your dad spanks your bare butt for lipping off to him or that she lets you spank her. So you are kind of taking the excitement out of this new friend of my sitter and me getting to clean her out. She spoiled it for me too Saturday when she talked so openly with me about her struggles with constipation and she actually wants colonics or enemas. Well if she want enemas then enemas I will give. It will still be fun. I'm anxious to see if she shaves. I won't say how I know but most Italian black haired girls have massive pelvic and anal hair, massive. Anxious to see this sweet thing and see if she has a big bush or she shaves it. What do you think Kitten Paw? Is she baby butt smooth? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 2025, 02:23: am Shelly, Doesn’t she take the breath away. It’s like kitten paw is writing the script and sitter and her friend is acting it out. But like kitten paw said “I am always right because I know those two girls because I am just like them.” What gets me Shelly is from the beginning you mentioned on this form when you first introduced sitter to us and how you would love to give her an enema and bam it came true. An unusual way but it came true. Then you introduced sitter’s friend and mentioned the same thing and bam. You seem to feel excited about all of this being able to give enemas instead of being the one receiving, honestly, I know I would. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 2025, 10:35: am I do understand her because I see a little of me at her age. I hated that the other kids in the family knew when I was on the toilet to poop or get an enema out. I get it. I don't raise my voice to her. I just demand that she do her sits, that she takes her enemas and let her deal with it emotionally as best she can. I try to make it as matter of fact, this is what I need from you. So yesterday her step dad dropped her off here just before dark. I gave her an hour and a half of time for herself in her room. Then we had dinner and a half hour after she ate I told her to go do her first 3 minute sit and try to poop for me. She says to me "I went at home just before we came". I knew that was a lie. I just repeated, "you need to go do your first sit." She didn't repeat her lie because she knew I knew. After her second 3 minute sit was almost over I went in and got her suppository ready and got her up off the toilet and sat down and gave her the suppository and, surprise, her rectum was full! She just can't help herself. She won't let it out and she has no problem lying about it. Yes AV, either I encountered by the longest of odds two rare young things that have pooping problems, or, there are thousands and thousands or even millions of teens out there that have pooping problems. Sadly I've learned from all my research and talking to family and friends that the later is the case. And the vast majority of them are not treated or undertreated or treated incorrectly. Laxatives are the worst thing to give a holder. And for constipation laxatives take hours. Enemas get the job done right now. Suppositories take a little longer but not hours later or the next day. I am still in shock the conversation (actually it was one way, she talked I listened) I had with this friend about her constipation issues and she just wants someone to give her a colonic twice a month. She was so calm and matter of fact talking to me about it that I was the one that was embarrassed! She obviously is in distress many days each month and just is begging her mom to help her feel better. I think her coming here for clean outs for her constipation will really help our sitter with her emotions about pooping. I can hope anyway. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 2025, 12:45: pm Shelly, Pharmaceutical company controls it all. Doctors love to prescribe medication to get that kick back. Back in the day, enemas was the solution for all. It still is really. And you are right, it would not hurt a single child if they were giving weekly clean out enemas. Will help with sickness as well. The sitter friend is a prime example, she isn’t feeling well but after a nice deep clean enema she will be. Sitter isn’t trying to go. She is just sitting. She needs to learn to control her breathing and push. But she may have been like me. I was constipated. And it hurt so therefore I didn’t try to get it started coming out. The reason for the enemas to force me to push due to the cramps and urges. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 2025, 01:25: pm I think it was Kitten Paw who said that at the pediatric clinic where her mom used to work for several years that promoted suppositories and enemas instead of laxatives that almost all parents of children of all ages when asked when their child pooped last or how often do they poop say they don't know. They don't know! After about 7 or 8 all the way to magic 18 where they supposedly are not in need of mommy care any more and they don't know!! When did he poop last, "I don't know". Well his rectal vault is full right now and that's why he is wetting the bed at night. Sitter's mom finally had the last straw when at 10 or 11, don't remember when, she started wetting the bed and made her have Fleet enemas to force her to poop. Yes I know she isn't trying to poop on her three minute sits yet but Dr. Collins says they will. Older children obviously will take longer but their body, the muscles and nerves in their bottom, will get the hint and give them contractions to empty even if their mind still doesn't want to let them poop. You have to give them those two opportunities to poop before you give them the suppository. She hates it! I get it. It's potty training. Don't deny it. Oh well. We smear our underwear we get potty trained! I don't care if you are 16 years old. She is starting to show me her defiant side and I am getting a little cynical. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Soiling Solutions and The Clean Kid Manual Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 15, 2025, 09:56: pm I grew up with a mom with three rules in place for me: if I stained my underwear or if I was caught holding, or if I had a grumpy attitude I received an enema. Sitter’s smeared underwear and defiant side would immediately warrant her an enema. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]