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Date Posted: 08:26:51 07/14/06 Fri
Author: Mormon 210
Subject: Re-iteration-waiting

>>>Its funny seeing a Mormon refer to others as
>"kool-aid
>>>drinkers".

>>What in my religion requires blind faith?

Regarding blind faith you replied: Where do i start? you are a funny man!

I remind you that faith is blind (including yours). If not it would be knowledge. Otherwise prove to me Christ exists.

Regarding the tactic you suggest is used by the Church of Jesus Christ regarding women as missionaries at Temple Square you used the following analogy to support your positon in this manner:

>Does a hooker have interest in her john? The fact of
>"intereset" is not relevant to selling sex. An
>attractive young woman will always have greater
>success persuading Men to listen to them. And most
>times they have greater success with the women as well.

>This is basic sales tactics. Attractive people
>generally make better sales people.

In this regard thanks for the PSY 101.MARK 100 refresher, however, I will introduce you to PSY/MAR 401 with this example - I have never bought cat food because the cat had a nice set of tits. I simply bought it because the product met my expectations and goals. The fact that I am faithful purchaser of a particular brand of cat food indicates that I am happy with the intent and value of the product. Use of sex does not always create the expected outcome as was the case with Carl's Jr. Paris Hilton sex sells ad. Carl's Jr. experienced a decrease of sales and after recanting regained market share. This would indicate that the application of sex in the marketing process only lures one to purchase the product, it does not make them a faithful consumer of that product. Similarily, a person who joins the Church of Jesus Christ for the intent of a piece of ass generally won't stay committed to that faith unless the conversion has less topical application and a deeper internalization occurs. To describe my point better, a recent BYU study indicated that in the LDS church, activity (meaning attending Church regularly) is somewhere around 55%, adherence to the tenets of the faith are somewhat lower (indications show around 38%), but the study revealed that belief in the tentet is dramatically higher than activity levels would indicate (estimated at approximately 88%). This would suggest to me that the acceptance of the faith by a large majority of the converts is deeper than what you have expressed in terms topical marketing phsychology. Additionally, the vast majority of missionaries are young men of all shapes and sizes and appearances whose results are not based on their appearance (my personal or anecdotal experience - having seen homely missionaries have baptism success while more handsome ones were not having such success).

I will however provide one marketing tool that is being used at Temple Square, and the Church has been forthright about it with it membership. This is that the use of young women fits this application better because young missionary men are percieved as more aggressive while the sister are perceived as more patient and better listeners.

>I can't believe I had to explain this simple
>psychology to a bigshot attorney.

Bigshot would not describe my level of counsel. I would say "fairly decent at what I do in my area of expertise" describes me better. But this really has no relationship to defense my faith.

>Veritas is right. You not only miss the point often
>times, you also make up straw man arguments so that
>you can "win" your case.

The fact that you or I win a case is not relevant to fact. I am attempting to provide my perspective with regard to centric versions of my faith that you (obviously an expert in the application of my faith) tend to provide.

Regarding your statement on Christ: Jesus Christ of Kolob? I agree. I have no common motive with whoever that guy is lol.

Speaking of divergence, can't you simply accept that Christ is the one for which the Bible was written around and it is the interpretation of that doctrine that we don't agree on? In other words why go off on that road when it has no relevence to the topic.

>Pervert? I already predicted you would say that.

You were correct in your prediction as well I knew you would deny that you weren't a pervert but I guess I was wrong because you never did.

Mormon 210

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[> Re: Re-iteration-waiting -- * Name (required):, 07:14:46 07/19/06 Wed

1) You are a member of a cult.

2) You are completely brainwashed.

3) No amount of debate or other tactics to reveal the truth to you will convince you otherwise.

4) To argue with you is pointless, as you create straw men and red herrings on a continual basis. I do not need to point out specifics for you to counter with argument. Reason: See #2 and #3 above.

Hopefully others will not fall into the false religion that is Mormonism, based on your lies and your persuasive silver-tongue.

You are an attorney?

Nuff said. :)

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[> [> Re: Re-iteration-waiting -- Mormon 210, 08:49:04 07/19/06 Wed

I find it ironic that you express to me how Mormons use sex to convert members and the application of Marketing 101 class was so simplistic and full of holes that it came tumbling down like the Twin Towers with that applicaton of additional principles. Another argument from one of your cohorts was that we only convert the ignorant, which again I completely blew that hypothesis out of the water. Not to say that any thing was conclusive but the theories were week.

I have asked repeatedly for others to provide to me one bad fruit that is a product of the application of tenets taught and espoused by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. All I get is conjecture regarding the interpretation of scripture. We can go on for years about scripture interpretation and never have conclusion because our viewpoints are diametrically in opposite positions. Secondly if one believes in God and His Son Jesus Christ, yet hasn't seen them, they must rely on either their own intellect or that of others to convince them, or if possible receive answers from God directly, in order for the debate to be finished.

So the foundation of our debate is based on either our own intellect, anothers intellect and our willingness to subort our own understanding, or the ability to receive direct answers to the questions postulated, and above all faith in that God which provided such tenets.

Yet in the end you are so sure about either your intellect, your subordination to anothers intellect, or direct revelation from God or some combination that you can claim that I am brainwashed.

Which of the above processes or combination of processes do you claim to have brought you to the conclusions you have. Me personally, I have used prayer and study and recieved a personal spiritual witness that I have faith in. I have applied the tenets and looked for the fruits and have seen them in my life. I can however be swayed by a greater witness one which has not come to my attention.

I know this, God lives and He has a Son name Jehovah known on this earth as Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ, The Messiah. I recognize Him as my Redeemer and the only way I can return to God. In most religious sects of Christian persuasion this witness would be sufficient for acceptance to that sect, yet I take it further, in that I accept a living Prophet, which no other religious sect believes. And because I do that, I am a cultist or brainwashed.

Yet you have to believe words written by people who claimed to be Prophets or Apostles, and because they are dead that is somehow the end of God's word to man. Go figure.

Mormon 210

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